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Eiiti Wada Mechanical Keyboard Community Interview
Eiiti Wada: The inventor of the Happy Hacking Keyboard

Professor Wada Background

Eiiti Wada, born June 1st, 1931 is a graduate of the Physics Department at the University of Tokyo. After graduating in 1955, he went on to join Takahasi Hidetosi’s Laboratory for Graduate School, where he designed a paper tape-controlled calculator employing parametrons. He also studied the programs and subroutines of the Edsac at Cambridge University and became deeply interested in the programming techniques.

At a Programming Symposium in Atami in 1964, he expressed his belief that we needed small computers for personal use and that all of the computers in the world should be connected by wires. Both of these came to fruition in the ‘80s, with personal compact PCs and the Internet, illustrating what a visionary Eiiti Wada truly is.

    His list of credentials is nothing short of impressive:
  • 1964-1977 Associate Professor, Department of Mathematical Engineering, University of Tokyo.
  • Doctor of Engineering.
  • 1973-1974 He served as an Associate Professor of Electrical Engineering Department, Massachusetts Institute of Technology.
  • 1977-1992 Professor
  • 1978-1992 WG Chairman of the Information Technology Standards Commission of Japan for ISO/IEC JTC1/SC2
  • 1985-1989 The Director of the Educational Computer Centre, University of Tokyo.
  • Emeritus Professor of the University of Tokyo.
  • He has been a member of the WIDE project.
  • 1992-2002, Executive Advisor, Fujitsu Laboratories.
  • 1997-2012 Chairman of the Programming Symposium Committee, Information Processing Society of Japan
  • 2002-2011 Research Director, Research Laboratory, IIJ
  • 2011- Research Advisor


Before answering questions, Professor Wada explained some technical background and history of the HHKB. One of the biggest reasons he set out to create his own layout and keyboard was that each new computer system came with a new keyboard. The more complex that computer systems became, the larger and more complex that keyboards became. This also led to inconsistency in symbol positioning, meaning new layouts had to be learned with each new keyboard. So Professor Wada set out to create a keyboard that he could continue to use with new systems. Treating the keyboard as an integral part of the computing experience rather than an expendable piece of hardware set the HHKB apart from other keyboards.This approach is represented in the HHKB’s slogan, which refers to the keyboard as “the saddle of the horse.” In a prior interview Professor Wada said,

“Because keyboards are accessories to PC makers, they focus on minimizing the manufacturing costs. But that’s incorrect. When America’s cowboys were in the middle of a trip and their horse died, they would leave the horse there. But even if they were in the middle of a desert, they would take their saddle with them. The horse was a consumable good, but the saddle was an interface that their bodies had gotten used to. In the same vein, PCs are consumable goods, while keyboards are important interfaces.”

After Professor Wada set about creating a new keyboard, he had to come up with a layout for it. He mentions that one of the problems was that keyboards were growing exceptionally large, much of which was due to lengthy bit codes that had to be sent from the keyboard to the computer. Keyboards do not actually send the symbol on the key to the computer, rather a bit code that is then translated into the symbol. Professor Wada wanted a keyboard that felt right, not just physically in terms of where the keys are located but also intellectually in terms of function and efficiency. He wanted to make sure it could send all 8-bit codes (see chart below), without being the size of the Symbolics Lisp Machine or other keyboards of the era. Notice in the chart that half of it is blank. He talks about how this half was used to express Kanji characters alongside the Ascii characters on the left side.

Figure 1, 8 bits code table

Wada's Introduction

Before answering the Community’s questions, I would like to explain what I was thinking as I designed the HHKB.

I was wondering why new keyboards were becoming larger, with lots of seemingly useless function keys, and why positions of minor symbol keys were always moving with each new personal computer or workstation that I purchased.

So I wished to have my own “platonic” keyboard that could be used with many of my computers. Moreover, that keyboard should send all 8-bit codes from 0x00 to 0xff, that is, any byte code using multiple shift keys, like the Symbolics Lisp Machine keyboard, which had Shift, Control, Meta, Super, Hyper, etc. (The Hacker's Dictionary calls bits generated by those shift keys “bucky bits”).

Of course, the Symbolics keyboard was too much for what I needed, and too huge. Eight bits seemed like it might be a moderate solution. It fits well for byte-address architecture.

In Japan, Kanji characters are sometimes encoded in the right-hand side of the 8-bit code table (G1) so that it could co-exist with Ascii characters that resides in the left side (G0). If we wished to input these right-side codes directly, we need a mechanism to add the eighth bit, b8. Therefore my keyboard would have a Meta key.

For example, my family name, Wada, consists of two Kanji characters, “wa” and “da,” and each Kanji is expressed with 2 bytes, so \317, \302, \305, \304, (0xcf, 0xc2, 0xc5, 0xc4.) I type them in as `Meta-Shift-o, Meta-Shift-b, Meta-Shift-e, Meta-Shift-d'.

Figure 1 is an 8-bit code table of my original keyboard in 16 columns, 0x0 to 0xf, while the normal 7-bit code table, like ASCII, has 8 columns, 0x0 to 0x7. (see Figure 1.) The Shift key is to switch upper and lower characters shown on the key top.

In columns 0 and 1 are the control characters C0 set. Of these, Tab, Return, and Escape are included in most keyboards.

Columns 2 to 7 are for 94 graphic characters (G0). Space (position 0x20) and Delete (position 0x7f) are controversial if they are graphic characters or control characters or none of those. Anyway, they have their own established positions.

Other C0 control characters are obtained by Control + characters in columns 4 and 5. For these reasons, Control is necessary. (HHKB has no “Back Space”; Control-H will do it, No Shift. Similarly “Newline” is Control-J.)

By these means, all 7-bit characters are sent out. For the right hand of the code table, Meta is used to add the 8th bit.

When I started talking with PFU, the keyboard had the layout of Figure 2. It had 56 keys (94 graphic characters/2, Space, Delete, 3 C0 control characters (Tab, Return, Escape) 4 shift keys (Left Shift, Right Shift, Control, and Meta)). The size of the keyboard was 297mm (width) x 105 mm (depth), which was a half of A4 paper (297mm x 210mm). But for the commercial keyboard, we agreed that Meta shift was too idealistic and thus removed. It’s position was replaced by an Fn key.

Figure 2, Initial layout of HHKB

Community Questions

What was the role of the original Macintosh Keyboard as the HHKB's inspiration?

Eiiti Wada: The Macintosh Keyboard was one of the ancestors of HHKB. Other ancestors were VT100, Sun Workstation Type 2, 3, 4, etc. They were all typewriter-paired keyboards. The HHKB inherited only the central key positions. On the other hand, the famous Teletype Model 33 keyboard, which was logical paired or bit paired, was not an ancestor of the HHKB.

Figure 3, Macintosh Keyboard (M0110)

What were some of the layout features on standard keyboards at the time you created the HHKB that you disliked?

Eiiti Wada: There were some logical pairing keyboards in Japan because JIS Standard supported the logical pairing. Since I am a Lisp programmer, the positions of parentheses and quotes are terribly inconvenient. Typewriter-paired keyboards had parentheses on 9 and 0, while logical-paired keyboards had parentheses on 8 and 9. I also disliked the narrow keys on some Personal Computers.

Were you influenced by the TRON initiative? What do you think about it?

Eiiti Wada: The TRON Project was not influential on the HHKB, although I know Ken Sakamura, the project leader, well. Or do you mean TRON keyboard? I have never seen it. TRON lives in a different world.

Are you still involved in developing HHKB? If so, in what capacity? Also, how would you describe a hypothetical HHKB Pro 3?

Eiiti Wada: Not any more. I collaborated with PFU until the first HHKB came out in December of 1996. After that time, all HHKB evolutions were done solely by PFU.

What do you think of the community's attempts at smaller format keyboards, especially in terms of layouts and function layers, seeing as how many were inspired by the HHKB?Gallery

Eiiti Wada: Newcomers might see the slanted key arrangement as strange, and love the squared (ortholinear) layout. But the current pattern is said to avoid the type-bar conflict. The present key arrangement has a functional beauty. Many typists and computer scientists are fully accustomed to it. Once accustomed, human beings can have a hard time learning the slightly different interface. Keyboards should maintain the present layout. A few models of early Japanese PCs had a square key layout, but they quickly disappeared. Try to think, for instance, if the black keys of the piano keyboard were made white and of the same size and shape as the white keys and inserted between two white keys, one octave having 12 flat (not the musical meaning) white keys. I imagine that no pianist could play it.

What is your current computer setup, and are you still using an HHKB? Can you provide pictures?

Eiiti Wada: (see Figure 4) The left HHKB is a Type-S for my Apple Mac mini. Right HHKB Professional is for the Raspberry Pi 2 (black box beyond the HHKB). I also use a MacBook Air. I have a black HHKB for it, but the older I got, the more it became troublesome to carry the extra weight. So nowadays, when I use MacBook Air, I reluctantly use its keyboard. I also employ the iPhone method for text input.

Figure 4, My desktop

The original HHKB used Fujitsu domes. Whose idea was it to use Topre switches in the HHKB Professional 2, and why Topre over all other switches?

Eiiti Wada: This was the decision of PFU.

In your opinion, what is the best position and format for an arrow cluster on a secondary layer?

Eiiti Wada: Positions of function keys were defined by PFU. My original layout of HHKB had no Fn keys, no digit keys, no arrow keys. But PFU concluded that commercial keyboards needed these function keys.

How do you like your HHKBs? Legends or no legends? Black or white? Any other special aesthetic choices?

Eiiti Wada: No preference. I have both white and black, letters printed and not printed. Incidentally, when I proposed a new keyboard to PFU, I took two cardboard models (see Figure 5). One of them had blank key tops.

Figure 5, Cardboard models

One day, I asked a PFU engineer if I could get a set of unprinted keycaps. Soon I got them (there was a space bar too!) and I instantly replaced all my keycaps. I told this to my former students, and they also wanted unprinted key tops. Their wishes were fulfilled. After this happened, PFU learned that hackers liked unprinted keycaps.

What do you think is the future of user interface with respect to keyboards? Will they always be around? What do you think is the next innovation on keyboards?

Eiiti Wada: For most, I think voice input will gradually become more popular. But for programmers, we need keyboards to input programs and numbers, especially variable or function names. If one is fully accustomed in Morse code, small Bug key for CW might be another solution (although Morse code is definitely slower than keyboard.)

The HHKB is ideal for programming in Unix (emacs,vim,etc). Today's prevalent Integrated Development Environments (IDEs) are very different, with extensive use of F-keys and modifier key combos. What design choices would you consider for programmers in today's IDEs?

Eiiti Wada: I once wrote an application for iPhone. The environment was quite different from my previous experience. I am already quite old, and personally the present environment is pleasant and comfortable for me.

Community member Hasu makes a programmable controller for HHKB; do you have any thoughts about this? Should HHKB be programmable? (Hasu’s Thread )

Eiiti Wada: Isn't it like key binding? A controller for just HHKB? I pray that the HHKB stays simple.

Figure 6, Hasu's Bluetooth Controller

Conclusion and Thanks

The HHKB is an iconic keyboard within the enthusiast community, and it’s not hard to see why. It truly was on the cutting edge of keyboards, and it has managed to remain relevant 20 years after its creation, which is not the case for many other keyboards. It has undergone minor changes over time, such as the additions of Topre switches and a USB hub, or using a removable USB cable instead of the original PS/2 cable. But it remains largely untouched in terms of layout and functionality. This is a true testament to the amount of thought and innovation that went into designing the HHKB.

On behalf of the entire community I would like to extend my sincerest and most heartfelt thanks to Professor Eiiti Wada for taking time out of his busy schedule to do this interview! I was completely overjoyed when the Professor agreed to do it. I would also like to give a huge amount of thanks to Kunal at Massdrop for getting the ball rolling, and being a huge advocate for the Mechanical Keyboard Community on a daily basis. Finally, I’d like to thank Haata (Jacob Alexander) for helping with the interview, truly making this a community effort!

Thanks Andy. What a great interview. I love how the new kids on the block are showing love for the aging innovators of the computer age. I bet he got a kick out of it too.
Okay so where's all the HHKB drops
They've answered this before... "Hey everyone. We are working on getting some Topre boards up, but the HHKB is very unlikely going to show up. Because it isn't FCC approved we can't list it and ship it. I don't understand the legality of it entirely or why individuals can get it, but this is the word passed down from on high. If anything changes I'll update everyone. Thanks all."
If that's the problem, can you get iKBC or similar to make a HHKB layout keyboard with Cherry MX switches and backlighting?
Great interview, thanks. But less talky-talky and more dropy-dropy please. HHKB on Massdrop is overdueeeeeee
Awesome interview, lots of great insight. Thanks for this Massdrop :)
Awesome interview!!
It's interesting that so much has changed from Wada's original HHKB design to the Pro 2 that is still popular today, and I have to say that I appreciate PFU's willingness to stray from Wada's more purist (there might be a better word for it) design: namely the Fn keys and arrow/fkey functionality, and perhaps most importantly the transition to Topre switches. However, the product stayed true to the first quote:
"Because keyboards are accessories to PC makers, they focus on minimizing the manufacturing costs. But that’s incorrect. When America’s cowboys were in the middle of a trip and their horse died, they would leave the horse there. But even if they were in the middle of a desert, they would take their saddle with them. The horse was a consumable good, but the saddle was an interface that their bodies had gotten used to. In the same vein, PCs are consumable goods, while keyboards are important interfaces."
What a great analogy. How fantastic is it that after 20 years, the HHKB still delivers on this core principle.
"One day, I asked a PFU engineer if I could get a set of unprinted keycaps. Soon I got them (there was a space bar too!) and I instantly replaced all my keycaps. I told this to my former students, and they also wanted unprinted key tops. Their wishes were fulfilled. After this happened, PFU learned that hackers liked unprinted keycaps."
Does this mean Wada is the originator of the blank keycap? Such a trendsetter!
I am a total keyboard noob and the CM cherry mx tester has been my only experience with anything mechanical...
... But I really enjoyed this. :)
Kudos to all who made it happen.
His arguments against ortholinear layouts rang hollow to my ears. "Because it's always been done this way" is a thought-terminating cliché, not an argument one way or another.
The "type-bar conflict" he mentions was an artifact of how early mechanical typewriters operated; referring to the bars mechanically linked to the keys that would rise up and strike the paper through the typewriter's ink ribbon. Slanting the layout kept these bars from striking one another and getting tangled or damaged. That said, we're talking about computer keyboards, and that technical restriction doesn't apply here.
The analogy to piano keyboards is interesting, but ultimately doesn't map well. We aren't slewing our arms side to side across a 1.5 m wide keyboard with only two rows to type. (Well, most of us aren't. If you are, please post pics! :D ) We're keeping each hand oriented over a certain set of home keys, moving individual fingers around to hit more distant keys. In this instance, the need to re-home quickly is moot; the home-row pips (or dents) serve to let us quickly orient on home row by feel alone.
Ultimately, the real argument that he seems to be dancing around is "I'm used to the old layout, and I want to stick with it." That's fine, but dismissing other layouts because they don't fit your personal preferences is short-sighted.
I don't know if I agree that that's being short-sighted. It's normal to have preferences. That he doesn't want to learn another layout is his personal choice.
I agree. Nothing wrong with sticking with a layout because it's what you're used to, but OTOH, most people now are used to big 100+ key layouts. To myself, I think having no arrows and functions (as he said was his original desigh) is far more difficult than getting used to a grid layout, so I think everyone makes their own decision when to stick with what you're used to, and when you should experiment with something new. The keyboard analogy is a great one, as it demonstrates how difficult it is to change a bad idea once everyone is used to it. The current piano layout is pretty awful IMO. How many pianists can transpose a tune on the fly? With a decent layout, it should simply be a matter of moving over 1 key. 88 conventional white keys wouldn't be very playable either, of course, but there's lots of other ways which would work, and wouldn't require learning 12 hand positions for each chord type. Key signatures and all that mess could go away too.
Great interview. I've been a fan of the HHKB for many years and recently picked up the Type S version. Here's a video comparison I did of the sound of the Type S vs. Happy Hacking Pro 2 boards:
Loved the interview. Thank you very much for the HHKB Professor Wata.
Here is mine :)
Thanks man! And thanks for Jukebox too!
Of course! Glad you enjoyed it! You should be seeing more of Jukebox sooner than later ;)
Hehe, I had the chance to do the same interview, more or less, for a french (paper) magazine last year. I plan to do an updated version for my website soon (geekzone.fr) and I have to say that even PFU managed to answer my questions... ... ... ... ... 4 MONTHS LATER. ;) (so yeah, the updated version will be web only ;P) Anyway, it's a pleasure to type every day on this little thing. <3
i got it.
My eyes!
Does anyone here program with the Japanese array?
Wonderful interview with a legend!
Thank you so much for this historic and important interview! It makes me feel even gladder about discovering the HHKB, which rapidly became my favorite keyboard.
Thank you Andy and everyone else who made this happen and possible.
This was an AWESOME read. Thank you.
This means HHKB group buy soon, right? ;^)
Excellent read! Thank you!
Thank you for sharing the interview.
The so called "conclusions" would be better-called "editorial" because they reflect the author's thinking and not what Dr. Wada said. For example, the fact that he did not define the chorded second layer bindings on the HHKB or that he is not involved with PFU, anymore.
Great interview ! Thank you ~
Thank you very much Eiiti Wada for the interview! It really gave me an insight into some design choices of the HHKB and the psychology behind the key arrangement.
Hope you guys enjoy the interview. It was a blast and an honor getting to head it up!
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Thank you mate.
You are an inspiration for the community.

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