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KevMech
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May 14, 2017
I'm interested in getting a 3Dprinter. And, while I appreciate the links in the comments, what printers do y'all have or recommend? I want something really accurate for less than $250. I expect build area similar to this one, though. Please only put a link if you have experience with that seller and product! Thanks!
KevMech
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May 16, 2017
The-Vegansoooo, have you used this one?
The-Vegan
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May 16, 2017
KevMechPersonally no, just do some research on the site, it is the same printer. However, I'm most likely going to a Tevo Tarantula off Ali-express. https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/2016-Newest-TEVO-Tarantula-I3Aluminium-Extrusion-3D-Printer-kit-printer-3d-printing-2-Rolls-Filament-8GB/2010004_32596996503.html
Swesen
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May 16, 2017
The-VeganI own a tarantula and for the price it is a good starter printer, but it kind of need some upgrades, count with spending at least $200 more after a while. Mostly replacing the acrylic parts is something almost everyone does. But I'm up in like $300-400 at this point, carbon fiber acrylic replacements, additional frame parts, old atx power supply (ax750 very overkill), PrintinZ buildplate, E3D-v6 hot end...
KevMech
41
May 16, 2017
SwesenThanks for the feedback! I was looking at the tarantula also and I was wondering if I should get the base model, or one with upgrades? I would like to be able to print in nylon and flex, but I don't know if I should just get my own, instead of the "E3D upgrade." Thanks. Could you post links to places where you found your own replacement/ upgrades? (Stores and forum/blogs are welcome).
Swesen
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May 17, 2017
KevMechTevos own upgrades are (from what I have heard in the facebook group) very overpriced, the sensor you get is worse than the sensor I got ("LJ12A3-4-Z-BX npn normally open" from aliexpress). Only thing is if you want the extended bed, I have the small bed but I have not been limited by the bed size yet and it can already take 24h to print anything big like that.
I have not yet tested nylon or any flexible material, but I have some ridgid.ink flexible PLA that arrived today. What I can say is that a bowden setup (when the extruder isn't close to the hot end) is harder to use with flexibles but not impossible.
Acrylic replacements http://www.fankhauser.me aluminium http://www.mackers.it/ carbon fiber (lighter, less ripples in prints) There is also an improved aluminium set from someone in the tevo tarantula facebook group.
I'm about to install a BLTouch sensor but bought it from a local source in sweden. It is expensive but can level any bed since it touches it instead of sensing metal like tevos and my current sensor so you can use any print bed like glass.
Frame stiffeners I bought from http://ooznest.co.uk/ 10x 15cm and 3x 38cm long v-slot (openbuilds.com in america) but you could get this cheaper if you use normal 2020 extrusions, or print stiffeners from thingiverse.
PrintinZ plate was also bought localy but they are not hard to find. Glass is cheaper but requires glue or hairspray for some materials. The printinz plate have only tried PLA and PETG but they work just great.
E3D stuff from their site, I got a clone v6 hot end that I bought real parts for later from http://e3d-online.com/
There are many upgrades to print if you look at thingiverse, and the first one to print is a replacement Z-motor mount the printer breaks it if your sensor or z-stop fails.
Also to prolong the acrylic parts buy and install m4 and m5 washers where ever you can for the acrylic parts.
KevMech
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May 17, 2017
SwesenAwesome. So obviously, you have upgraded your printer a ton, so would you mind listing what upgrades you did and why? (And is each worth it?) (in what order should someone upgrade different parts of the printer?) Thanks a ton!
Swesen
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May 17, 2017
KevMechMost of the big ones are still missing some parts for me to add. But I can tell you about whats on now.
E3D-v6 can have a sock which makes it so your curled up or failed prints don't stick to your hot end and is also lighter which helps reduce ripples on your print surface. It is also more heat resistant so you can print more materials if you want to.
Auto leveling sensor is one of the best thing and is definitely worth it, even if you go for the cheapest sensor out there or a BLTouch it is worth it. Inductive sensors(like the stock tevo one) limit your choice of build surface. Manually leveling the bed many times to get a successful print really drains the fun of having a 3D printer, this gets amplified by that the acrylic flexes a bit when the print bed gets hot and you have to level the bed again...
I'm still waiting on my carbon fiber parts so I can't say if they are worth it or not. But some people in the facebook group that have almost perfect prints have those. They reduce ripples and enables higher print speeds if you want to go for that. And are also stiffer than acrylic. I don't like the acrylic parts and have had to print replacements for some parts that broke while I wait for my carbon fiber set.
Some cooling setup that blow on the print when printing some materials help with quality and improves overhangs and bridging. This is cheap and something that is almost a must.
Having a raspberry pi to host your 3d printer locally over the internet makes everything convenient like a normal printer, once you have got everything running okay and don't have to watch your first layer to see if it will work or not.
Upgrading the power supply is something I would recommend, the stock one has exposed wires that go from 120v/230v wall socket. You could get something like a 400w or more, computer power supply which is safer and quieter, but you will need some knowledge about how to wire things or you will have to do some research. I made a simple cover for the stock PSU http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2188356
I would recommend starting with cheaper upgrades like auto level sensor and cooling fans. Then fixing the PSU and move on from there with what bothers you with the resulting prints you are getting. To take advantage of upgrades the most you will also need some basic configuration of the printers firmware, which sounds advanced but it really is just changing some numbers in a file and enabling some options. If you have more questions I would recommend looking here https://www.facebook.com/groups/TEVO.3dprinter.owners/ I don't like facebook but this group has some really helpful people in it, some are trying to get this subreddit active again https://www.reddit.com/r/tevotarantula/ but as you can see it has some ways to go.
KevMech
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May 17, 2017
SwesenAwesome! I think I would like a set of carbon fiber or aluminum replacements for the acrylic parts eventually. Fans/ cooling are the obvious immediate upgrade, but how do I know what auto-leveling switch will be compatible?
Swesen
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May 17, 2017
KevMechhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=il9bNWn66BY Here you can see 12 sensors and what is needed and what they can and can't do. Most need some sort of tinkering to get working, but if you are thinking about 3D printing I'm sure that isn't a problem. Unless you go for some big name printers(like Ultimaker), your experience is going to be pretty DIY.
The motherboard on almost any 3D printer is ATmega2560 based and it handles up to 5v so any sensor that functions on 5 v is almost plug and play.
KevMech
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May 18, 2017
SwesenNeat. So what is the advantage of a glass print bed?
Swesen
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May 18, 2017
KevMechIt is very flat, doesn't warp over time, cheap, removable, wear resistant and can handle chemicals. It can be any glass even picture frame glass so it is easy to find.
KevMech
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May 18, 2017
SwesenOkay, so as long as I have the exact dimensions as the original bed in glass ( besides thickness, because I don't know what thickness I need) how do I attach it to the printer? Do you print on tape/ hairspray all the time, or just with certain materials when using a glass bed?
Also, I found the set of acrylic parts in CAD here: https://grabcad.com/library/tevo-tarantula-printer-parts-1 So I may have a local company CNC it for me cheaply... Or I can wait for my robotics team to get a CNC Router to get those made after I get my printer.
Swesen
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May 18, 2017
KevMechThe thickness of the glass is not important really. You only lay the glass on the print bed and secure it with binder clips like this https://www.rp3d.com/userfiles/QQ%E5%9B%BE%E7%89%8720140819143626.jpg I use a PrintinZ plate instead of glass so I can't answer for what stick to what.
Those parts look modified from stock, but the author of those is active in the facebook group and is the owner of http://www.fankhauser.me The only thing I can see is that you will need some special thing to attach the X-limit switch(the part you see after the first image). But if you know someone who can do it for you with a CNC that will most likely be cheaper.
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KevMech
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May 18, 2017
Swesenyeah. I don't understand what that part is... Does it come with his kit when he sells it? If not, is this part included with the printer? Also, would a 3d printed x carriage be a bad idea?
KevMech
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May 18, 2017
SwesenI understand now. when using the new parts, i have to use that end stop holder, but would it be okay to just print that?
Swesen
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May 19, 2017
KevMechThere are 3D printed X carriages out there but the only advantage I can see is if you want to have multiple hot ends or somethings, I have 3D printed the mount for my hot end but still use the acrylic X carriage since I can't attach my hot end otherwise.
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You could probably print the end stop holder too.
KevMech
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May 20, 2017
SwesenAwesome! Soooo I have an issue, and maybe you can help. I went to order my printer last night on Aliexpress. Nothing special. Just the basic printer... I submitted my payment info, billing address, etc, and submitted my order. Shortly afterwards, I got a confirmation that my order had been placed.
Within an hour, though I got an email that said my order was closed for security reasons.... It asks for more documentation of my identity. It really seems sketchy, and I don't know what to do!
Have you heard of this issue before?
Swesen
32
May 20, 2017
KevMechI have heard about that on aliexpress, but you can also order from here https://tevo3dprinterstore.com/ That is where I bought mine, it was sent to Sweden within one week via DHL. There have been complaints lately on facebook about long delivery times with over 2 weeks before being sent.
KevMech
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May 20, 2017
SwesenYeah, but I don't want to order through there because the currency exchange will cost me $25 more than through aliexpress... I am reading through the facebook group.
Swesen
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May 20, 2017
KevMechOh, aliexpress has a sale. Seems like you were unlucky there are only like 10 posts about it in the group. I have not had any problems with over 200 orders, other than long delivery times, trough ebay, banggood and aliexpress.
ethanskneethans
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Jul 11, 2017
KevMechhey, I just wanted to make sure that you were aware that all of the more popular sub-$300 printers have decent communities where people will list their upgrades. And I wouldn't want you to expect any of these printers to be perfect without upgrades. Buying cheaper printers (which is exactly what I did) can give you a great base to build and improve on for cheaper than outright buying a more expensive printer with more features. You do, however, incur the liability of making sure everything is working properly.
I bought a FLsun detla mini for like $200 and nothing went smoothly. It was missing the stepper motor drivers and took like 3 more weeks to get them. Almost none of the firmware settings were correct for the printer so I had to re-measure tons of the parts and math out the correct values for some of the settings. Still have occasional issues with larger prints, but smallers ones are nearly perfect and this thing prints SO fast! All of the headaches aside, I learned soooooo much about how the printer works and about the firmware that expanding the print volume in the future will be much easier. Side note: the instructions that come with these chinese clones are beyond horrible. If you do buy a kit, find youtube videos or instructable.com walkthroughs or something before you buy. It will expedite your build and alleviate a ton of headache later.
Hope this helps!
KevMech
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Aug 12, 2017
ethanskneethansThanks! Sorry, I just read your comment, and I should have followed up. I purchased a TEVO Tarantula in the first week of June, and I have been really having fun with my printer all summer long. I haven't had many issues yet, and my coworkers at my summer job keep paying me to print all this stuff, so I am about to make some upgrades by printing all new angle brackets to reinforce the frame, add in some lighting, and sleeve all my cables. Thanks for the tips anyways. I am super happy with what I got, but for my next printer, I would like some more features, like a full-metal hot end.