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Kev_K
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Nov 7, 2015
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Could someone compare the size of the AKG K7XX (or K702 or K712) to Beyerdynamics DT770/880/990? I know the size of the Beyerdynamics and can't really go larger. (Thank you)
Nov 7, 2015
southernoise
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Nov 7, 2015
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Kev_KI'm curious to. I'm using a DT880 600ohm.
Nov 7, 2015
whatup69
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Nov 8, 2015
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Kev_KThey are larger but not by much
Nov 8, 2015
RojasTKD
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Nov 8, 2015
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Kev_KTo attemp to answer Kev_K question:
This week I got the DT880 and today received the K712, though I haven't heard the others personally I can try and comment from what I have read while doing my research, and hopefully give you a better idea of how they compare as I understand it.
I'll start with the K7xx vs the K712. They are very similar. The K7xx is said to have a touch more bass, while the K712 will have a bit better highs and possibly mids. Also the K712 will have a bit more soundstage and detail. This difference are not very pronounced, and not worth paying considerably more for the K712 (I paid $277.99 for my K712 open box on ebay, this was just before I got the notification about this drop being active). Other say the difference is a little bigger, each person will interpret the the difference differently according what THEY hear.
I find the K12 VERY pleasing with a mostly neutral sound and the slight 3db boot in bass. I find the bass pleasing while being driven from my Bound Blaster E5 and JDS Labs C5D (running at 3dB boost, the 6dB boost is good with some music and a touch too much with others, I don't use the zero bass boost setting fromn the C5D with any of my headphones or IEM). High are nice clear and neutral and not harsh to me. THe mids and vocals also come across as neutral and pleasing. These are a great reference headphones. If you want BIG bass these may not be enough (the bass boost one the C5D can help giving you 0, 3 and 6 dB boost to suit you needs). The K7xx should be a similar experience. The comfort is great on this light weight beast.
With the assumption that the K712 and K7xx are similar I can compare then to my DT770 (80 ohms version). The DT770 (and the DT880 and DT990) are more v shaped, with boosted highs and lows. This make it a more fun headphone, but I find it becomes fatiguing and I will turn the volume down after a while. The mids and vocals are slightly recessed and the bass of the DT770 is pretty strong and powerful (in a good way). The DT770 definitely has more bass then the K712, not accurate but FUN. THe DT770 is more lively and fun, but also more fatiguing and not the best choice for long listening. BTW the 80 ohms version is considered to greater bass then the 32 ohms and the 250 ohms version. I really like DT770. Also Very comfortable though a bit heavier than the K712. The ear pads are like giant soft pillows on you head. I also love this headphone. Wish I could keep the bass and lose some of the treble boost. I can play the K712 louder because of it less harsh treble.
The DT770 is closer to neutral than it's bigger brothers the DT880 and DT990. The 880 and 990 have more bumped up treble, especially the 990. Some find them piercing others love it. I don't think I could take it seeing as the 770 is more than enough treble boost for me. I think the 770 especially the 80 ohms version of the 770s but am not sure if the 880 and 990 have similar bass or more, though I doubt it more as that might prove to be too much. The 880 and 990 will have superior sound stage as they are semi-open and open, respectively. They may also offer a bit more detail with the more pronounced highs, if you can take it.
Also the K7xx , K712 and the DT990 are open and will over a bigger soundstage then the others (the DT880 being Semi open and DT770 being closed).
It comes down to what sound signature you like most. Do you love treble detail? Do you want BASS BASS BASS... or a more neutral accurate representation of you music. Are you looking for reference accurate sound or something more fun.
The K712/K7xx do have a larger foot print. See pics.
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Nov 8, 2015
Kev_K
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Nov 8, 2015
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RojasTKDThank you SO much for comparing the headphones and especially for the pics,. I'm almost certain, from looking at the pictures, that a person* can't wear the K712 (or K7XX) and lay their head back against a pillow. Pity. Most people probably don't care, but for me it's essential. I'm grateful to you, RojasTKD.
*small to medium size person. maybe it'd work with a large head.
Nov 8, 2015
RojasTKD
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Nov 8, 2015
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Kev_KWell, I just tried and I have no problems laying down with them. Of course YMMV.
The ear sups are about 4.5 inches in diameter.
Nov 8, 2015
cheema91
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Nov 9, 2015
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RojasTKDnice review, so if i were to lower the bass db of the k7xx just a little to match k712, do you think their soundstage/detail will be very close to the k712?
Nov 9, 2015
kg2128
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Nov 9, 2015
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cheema91I don't think there is a need to try and match the k712. Most people say the k712 and k7xx and k702 65th anniversary are the same, some even say they are the same as the q701 with different pads (i.e. put new pads on the q701 and it's equal to the k712/k7xx). This is all unconfirmed of course because AKG won't say a word about it, but it is not clear that the k712 is better or different.
Nov 9, 2015
skpetic1
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Nov 10, 2015
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RojasTKDYou stated the most important thing of all when you mentioned that each person will interpret the difference between the K712 and K7xx differently. Also it does all boil down to "what flavor of ice cream do you like" as my acquaintance Andrew Jones says.
Personally, I find the K7xx to be very detailed (I love that) and the mids are not laid back or reduced to my ears, (not obvious anyway). Highs are non-fatiguing and accurate. I find the K7xx to be quite revealing cans (a good thing). Bass is not muddy at any time and accurate. I find the sound stage not as wide as I imagined, but definitely in line with what open cans should be and far wider than my Senn HD518s. I'm coming from Sennheiser HD518s obviously, so that is quite a leap as they are a different animal. I also compared the K7xx with my newly acquired, risky purchase of the Takstar Pro 80s, yes, those are closed cans, I found the Takstars equally nice, but different and not quite as comfy, but not uncomfortable. I can wear the K7xx longer than any other cans I had or have. Overall, if I could compare the K7xx with the K712, I would hasten to bet that I could not tell the difference, at least not without great difficulty. I'm very happy with the k7xx.
Nov 10, 2015
RojasTKD
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Nov 10, 2015
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skpetic1I would agree. Not having heard the K7xx myself I'm just going from what I have read and how I understand it. one person stated that there was a noticeable difference with the K712s being superior, another stated they where very similar with the K712 having a light advantage in detail and soundstage and the like and yet someone else saying they where identical to his hears. My personal assumption is that they are very close and the K7xx and a great buy at there Massdrop price.. I'm quite tempted to get some K7xxs if they become available again to to see for my self.
I like the all black color scheme of the K7xx vs the orange and black of the K712 (though it growing on me). The more understated color scheme is my my style.
Nov 10, 2015
skpetic1
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Nov 10, 2015
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RojasTKDYeah, that color scheme in the K712 is hideous in my opinion, but it's only cosmetic, so in my opinion, I'd overlook it if I had to or really wanted to get them. I was fixing to purchase the K712s when the K7xx showed up available again and the thought that became foremost on my mind was " since I think headphones are a necessary evil and I'm not into them beyond the occasional need, why spend $400 on the K712, when I can get very close (and without that hideous color) for half that?" I really don't know if the K712s are better or the same or not. Perhaps their soundstage is wider than the K7xx and perhaps they go deeper or maybe more revealing, but I've never heard them. I know they are made in Slovakia apparently, instead of China, but that doesn't automatically denote "better" these days. All I know is that the K7xx I find to be revealing and detailed with a wide enough soundstage (wider stage than my Senn HD518s and those are open too). I also find the Bass plenty good and overall nothing seems to be over emphasized or notably laid back. That's my ears, everyone will have a different experience.
Nov 10, 2015
RojasTKD
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Nov 11, 2015
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skpetic1Though I'd prefer all black like the K7xx, I don't consider the orange of the K712 hideous. I got a "factory Repack" I'm guessing that means refurbished or demo/loner unites. So for $277 I didn't pay too much more.
I'm sure most of those getting the K7xx will enjoy then greatly.
Nov 11, 2015
Oktyabr
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Nov 14, 2015
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RojasTKDI owned both the AKG K712 and the K7XX for almost a month before I sold off the K712. In blind tests (thanks to help from my wife) I could literally not hear any difference in sound... AT ALL. I ran both of them out of my motherboard, out of a SB 3D Recon card, an OBH-11 headphone amp, an Audio-gd NFB-12 DAC/AMP, my Samsung Galaxy S5 Active (plenty loud!) and an Amazon Kindle Fire HD, swapping them over and over again between sources and music genres. I REALLY wanted to know which was better, if either truly was, and I was prepared to keep the better of the two... Over 100 hours of listening very carefully and I still could not tell the two apart. Identical in sound, to my ears. I kept the K7XX only because I liked the ninja black color scheme slightly better.
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Nov 14, 2015
lance.huyn
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Nov 15, 2015
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OktyabrGreat to hear about your experience. I wanted to buy the K712 before I got the K7xx. Many thanks for sharing
Nov 15, 2015
RojasTKD
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Nov 15, 2015
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OktyabrThanks for sharing your observations. It's funny how different people "hear" different things. One guy says how the K712 are noticeably better in this or that. Another says there is a light difference, but very minor and yet another says they are identical.
My guess is that they are very similar or identical, and the person that says it no contest is probably imagining it from some per-conceived perceptions that the K712 would be better (or has truly GOLDEN ears).
Remind me of a post a read recently where a guy did a ABX test with lossless and MP3, and found he really couldn't tell the difference and most of the time and that is was so close he had to strain really hard just to try. He mentioned that before he would swear that FLAC sounded better, when he wasn't doing blind test. He was now forced to admit it was pretty much all in his head. Not saying their aren't people out there that might actually be able to be much better and telling the difference, just that the vast majority of us can't. I know I can't.
Since I have the K712 and didn't pay too much more for them I'll stop thinking about the K7xx (at least for now... LOL). I'll continue to drool after the Fidelio X2 or L2 for now and continue looking for a deal on them.
Nov 15, 2015
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