No hyper-light hiker frets over big dollar spends to save significant grams. My Helinox chair's heavy at 925g but what it brings to the campsite makes it worth it. Imagine my delight when Massdrop offered the Alite Mantis for near on 300g less? Then imagine how I felt when I weighed it and it was a full 180g over the claimed weight making it not that far off the Helinox. Not nearly good enough Massdrop.