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I’ve heard the helium 410 last week in a shop here in Paris. Paired with a rega planar 1 & rega brio R . I just couldn’t move from the shop. I have understood what’s transparency and flexibility means: ear what has been recorded and played. So now my question is how this will sound with an old marantz mc-r 502 system sound ? Trevor ?
Hey Massdrop can you help in securing Argon 3
PA86
Or even the Argon 0’s or 1’s would be great. Yeah, you would need to upgrade your amp + sources...I will add, you rarely see Any used Amphions for sale in the US or Canada, must be keepers...
These are real nice speakers, especially at 600 USD. (Although I think they should be like 515 USD on Massdrop, because it's Massdrop) You can't really find a substitute for this.
For those commenters who asked how can a small monitor speaker like this can be worth the cost, I auditioned speakers in the Amphion’s Argon line and found them to be amazing. The Argon3 monitors had authoritative bass I would have mistaken for large floorstanders, and were eerily clear like a window onto the stage. The drivers were also extraordinarily coherent, I believe due to the tweeter waveguide. Around the same time I also auditioned Revel M106s, B&W 805s, Sonus Faber Olympica 1s, and a handful other highly-rated speakers, and I’d have taken the Amphions over any of them regardless of cost. I realize that my observations of the Argon speakers might not extend to the Heliums, except perhaps for the driver coherence, since the Heliums use similar waveguides. But my point is that Amphion is a legit high end speaker manufacture. If the cost is outside your budget, that’s understandable of course, but please don’t badmouth just because they are a few hundred more than the typical mass produced speakers that come up for drops. You get what you pay for. I applaud Massdrop for seeking out a real boutique hifi speaker to offer us and wish Amphion the best. Hopefully there will be more. Click here to Reply or Forward
Thunder240
Agree that I'd take these over all the ones you auditioned. Amphions are special.
Is there any recommended stereo amplifier to pair with this speakers ?
neptunehyl
PS Audio Sprout is a good option. NAD, Cambridge.
They don't need a ton of power but they're very happy with getting at least 50W per side at 8ohm
Can these be wall mounted? It looks as if there are bolts on the back for a wall mount but I can’t be sure.
tonygeno
Yes, wall mounts can be ordered with any of our dealers.
tfedele
Do you know the distance between the mounting holes? I have some Genelec Wall Mounts that might work.
Unless I missed it ... it would have been nice for an upgrade option to the Helium510.
I love that MassDrop is dipping its toes into artisan HiFi ... but it's usually the lowest offering by any given company.
I understand the value of a hand-built, high quality, aesthetically pleasing product ... the $600 asking price is very reasonable. The problem is the 4" LF driver is not going to cut it for most of us interested in this type of product, but the Amphion Helium510 could have. It also would have been and interesting alternative to the KEF LS50.
If MassDrop is trying to expand into the true high-end HiFi market ... we need to see true high-end HiFi offerings ... not just entry models of product lineups.
Saw this and thought it was a Technics SB-F1 remake
Perhaps someone who does not work for said company can comment on their performance. It seems they have been at a show recently. I do not have a problem with a small speaker at this cost. I just have not seen or heard one under $1k that can compete with the ELAC's (this is my opinion, along with many others. There a few other speakers that people I respect say go in this sub $1000 category... the key word being "FEW"). And these are pretty dang small compared to those.
Also, thank goodness some speakers do look nice and come in white, otherwise my Significant Other would not let me use them. I am given one room where I can use all the big ugly crap. Its a sad reality.......... But if aesthetics is the selling feature? Well that is a VERY sad reality.
Of course the speaker is always the most important component in the system (wow, i sound arrogant with that statement, yikes). But, it seems that their claim is that they are extremely transparent. If that is the case then both your source AND your amplification needs to be transparent also. Transparent means revealing, and anything just so-so in your chain is going to be shown in all its glory. This does become an expensive system.
coolerking
I'll cast my vote for the SVS Ultra Bookshelf as the best 'under $1k / pair' speaker. Their transparency and volume potential is unmatched in this price range. And while I wouldn't necessarily call them a "small speaker", two can be carried in their factory box without too much strain. They're available in glossy white, but don't take off the grills... unless you want to reveal their dark grey drivers.
Are you referring to the ELAC Uni-B5?
Your statement about source and amplification needing to be transparent (for maximum transparency) is correct. For the best value in transparent amplifiers, I recommend the early-to-late 2000s higher-end Yamaha home theater receivers. One that stand out is the HTR-5590... truly powerful, easily bi-amp-able, analog bass and treble knobs, and all of its settings can be viewed/altered using just the remote control.
mattris
Yes, the ELAC Uni-B5. Although I originally got just the ELAC B6 ~ for under $200 out the door. Its ridiculous how they sound at that price. These though are fairly bigger than these Amphions.
$600 for two passive 4.5 inch bookshelf speakers?!
The size alone limits their ability to reproduce low-end content, and their characteristics depend on what amplifier you use.
I'm sure they sound good for their size (with a high quality amplifier) but the price is pretty shocking for what they are.
Mechanought
Think of them as Fashion Accessories instead--now completely worth it!
Mechanought
The beautiful thing about our design is they do go quite low for their size. I was just at a demo today and someone thought speakers twice their size were playing.
Passive speakers have plenty of characteristics of themselves. Amps matter but without a good / honest speaker you are going nowhere fast.
Our speakers crossover at 1.6k which gives them a very unique and honest sound. The wave guide also introduces perfect phase coherency.
For a pair of hand made speakers from Finland (without imported components, except for the cardboard box it ships in) Many are amazed with their price once they experience what our technology brings to the table.
Best,
Trevor
Must be a lot of helium in these for $600 (originally $750; really?).
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I did not intend to indicate that it was a problem. It was simply a question. I had not thought about it, I thought I'd ask. I had never seen anyone claim they were a reviewer outright. It is helpful to relay what you thought when you heard these at Axponia. I wish some more folks would do so, I am curious. If you review these speakers, be sure to post a link to it :~)
coolerking
I think most don’t hang around places like this. Some hide who they are using a handle different from their name. Some, like myself, think that is dishonest. People shoupd know where we are coming from.
$600 for paper woofers? Am I the only one who finds that...off?
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ribosradagast
Much more to these than paper woofers. Also not exactly a sheet of paper. These are hand crafted in Finland with our custom drivers/tweeters/crossovers/waveguides and cabinets.
- Trevor trevor@amphion.fi
ribosradagast
They spent most of the budget on titanium twitters :o
Massdrop managed to get the attention of Amphion? That is impressive. Great job gents!
Wow, beautiful. Don’t need new monitors right now though.
The colors are tempting, but if you're looking for a pair of smallish bookshelf type speakers, I would *highly* recommend the KEF Q100, which are currently selling for $250 shipped through Amazon. Assuming you feed them with high quality equipment, they are spectacular for the price, and are a great value. I have four of them.
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In a vacuum, a single feature is not enough to make recommendations. This changes somewhat when making comparisons, such as in this case, where the KEF uses coaxial drivers which, as a whole, have a tendency towards dispersion issues. A recommendation from me is not an absolute "you should get this or you are an idiot who should not have financial independence" but is instead a "I think you should get this based on the information available to me and what I have gathered about what you need". As for the second bit, comments like that are necessary in a hobby that is laden with people who have zero understanding of psychology or perception. Controlled experiments demonstrate what does and does not affect the final experience, such as speakers/headphones and going from one transparent amp to another more expensive transparent amp respectively. They do not need to be absolutely perfect, but since they are testing something specific they can control the things that matter well enough that the results are valid. The long periods of time argument in particular is something that I have never actually addressed before, so here it is: The human perceptual system is largely a change/difference detection system. Sit in a chair, and you will notice it at first, but the awareness fades as the brain allocates resources to other things. If you think about the chair again, then the brain puts those resources back, and you notice it again. If a difference cannot be detected in a test where one is switching back and forth between two possibilities, it will definitely not be noticed over the long term. While it is true that individual personal experiences of the same thing cannot be quantified, they can be predicted somewhat by knowing the stimulus that causes a given reaction. Someone who likes a pair of speakers with X sound signature will probably like another set of speakers with a similar sound signature, and the sound coming out of the speakers can be quantified. You can test people who are sensitive to treble peaks to determine at what point the change ceases to be audible.
I have a pair of Q100s with about 20 hours of time on them. at the time I picked them up, there were Gallo CL-1s available for about the same price, and the Gallos are what sound more natural to my ear.
the Q100s sounded artificial in my system where the gallos do not. the gallos also do a phenomenal job of imaging.
I listened to both as nearfield monitors in my office, a small room without acoustic treatments and some rather harsh surfaces. Perhaps the 100s would sound better in a more conventional setting?
In any case, I've seen some interesting DIY designs using q100 drivers, including an upward firing design, so the q100s may eventually be back in use.
The Amphion H2 review in stereophile is very enthusiastic. the review compared them to the Creek 5350se integrated amp, a classic solid state piece of equipment.
I reviewed these a few months ago. Great speakers, especially when paired with a sub. Amphion makes great stuff.
These are some sexy looking speakers