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stanleymoise
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Feb 5, 2018
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Schiit Jotunheim has doubled the power for for the same price and it's made in USA and better outputs options.
Balanced Headphone Output:
Maximum Power, 16 ohms: 7500mW RMS per channel
Maximum Power, 32 ohms: 5000mW RMS per channel
Maximum Power, 50 ohms: 3000mW RMS per channel
Maximum Power, 300 ohms: 900mW RMS per channel
Maximum Power, 600 ohms: 500mW RMS per channel
junki
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Mar 31, 2018
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stanleymoiseJotunheim is not bridged, right? If I use the RCA inputs, there is no phase splitter/inverter to output a balanced signal.
ares347
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Apr 24, 2018
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stanleymoisewell I received mine from last drop and compared with the jottunheim, can safely tell you this amp shreds the jott to pieces.
stanleymoise
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Apr 25, 2018
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ares347If you can say something like that it's proven that you don't know anything about audio. I have nothing else to say to you. SMH.
DontDooDad
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Apr 25, 2018
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junkiWith the Jotunheim, you can use either output regardless of which input is used, though you get more power with a true balanced input signal.
ares347
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Apr 25, 2018
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stanleymoiseyup you are right I know shit about audio I wish I had the wits to say things like the highs are lushier and the bass is tighter for my comments to be believable and get a nice cut from cable companies to scam willing idiots but sadly I dont.
RayF
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Apr 25, 2018
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ares347And as a special Jotunheim bonus, the speakers you've connected to the pre-amp outs will continue to play--even though you're actually listening to a pair of connected headphones--can't tell if that's a bug or a feature?
Seriously, if anyone knows how to rectify that situation, please let me know--I'm tired of getting up to turn the monitors off/on!
Seriously, if anyone knows how to rectify that situation, please let me know--I'm tired of getting up to turn the monitors off/on!
RayF
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Apr 27, 2018
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bloodhawkPerhaps you mean Jack Schiit? Because I notice in MD Polls you seem partial to products made by that US manufacturer?
Maybe products made in the US aren't superior to those made elsewhere...
Unless you want to speak to someone in support who speaks the same language as you (assuming you do), or want to visit a mfgs website and find it's written in a language you speak (assuming you do), or read an instruction/user manual in a language you recognize (assuming you might). Or return a product to a manufacturer in the same country you live (assuming you wouldn't?)
Snappy nom de plume you've chosen by the way--sounds real scary/macho--probably strikes terror into the hearts of your enemies?
Wish I would have though of that one...
Maybe products made in the US aren't superior to those made elsewhere...
Unless you want to speak to someone in support who speaks the same language as you (assuming you do), or want to visit a mfgs website and find it's written in a language you speak (assuming you do), or read an instruction/user manual in a language you recognize (assuming you might). Or return a product to a manufacturer in the same country you live (assuming you wouldn't?)
Snappy nom de plume you've chosen by the way--sounds real scary/macho--probably strikes terror into the hearts of your enemies?
Wish I would have though of that one...
bloodhawk
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Apr 27, 2018
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RayFWell let me put it this way, the "Made in USA" doesnt mean anything in most cases. 90% of the product is still manufactured/assembled abroad. The larger part assembly is sometimes done here in the USA and then sold at a higher markup price to price gouge the consumers. Also just because its "Made in the USA " doesnt mean its better than another product. If it IS better, its not better because OMG ITS MADE IN THE USA, its better because it was designed better with better parts and higher quality control.
But hey what would i know right? I dont think i live in the USA, im sure you know more about me than i do myself, just like how i dont own any Schiit products like the Jot, MIMBY, Gumby. Or any other amps like the WA22, LD MKVI+, Mainline, Crack, Blackwidow. Or any other DAC's like the NFB11.28, DX7S, Hugo2. I probably dont have anything better to do in life either than to be "scary/macho" on an online discussion forums.
/end sarcasm?
TLDR- Buy a product for the product not because it has a cheapo 2c tag that says "MADE IN THE USA". That doesn't make it better or amazing. That just means, in most cases, that you will end up getting price gouged. Dont get me wrong though, products like Blackwidow are what "Made in USA" products are supposed to be like, not the garbage Schiit over charges for.
Also while we are at it, you know what makes the Jot a better amp at this price point? - (As stanleymoise) already stated, better inputs, better outputs, more power and a little bit of modularity. Not the tag. On a side note, really love your style of photography. Beautiful work!
But hey what would i know right? I dont think i live in the USA, im sure you know more about me than i do myself, just like how i dont own any Schiit products like the Jot, MIMBY, Gumby. Or any other amps like the WA22, LD MKVI+, Mainline, Crack, Blackwidow. Or any other DAC's like the NFB11.28, DX7S, Hugo2. I probably dont have anything better to do in life either than to be "scary/macho" on an online discussion forums.
/end sarcasm?
TLDR- Buy a product for the product not because it has a cheapo 2c tag that says "MADE IN THE USA". That doesn't make it better or amazing. That just means, in most cases, that you will end up getting price gouged. Dont get me wrong though, products like Blackwidow are what "Made in USA" products are supposed to be like, not the garbage Schiit over charges for.
Also while we are at it, you know what makes the Jot a better amp at this price point? - (As stanleymoise) already stated, better inputs, better outputs, more power and a little bit of modularity. Not the tag. On a side note, really love your style of photography. Beautiful work!
RayF
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Apr 27, 2018
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bloodhawkSay...you don't have one of those "I can't stop buying audio equipment" disorders to you? Kind of like Mel Gibson with copies of "Catcher in the Rye" in "Conspiracy Theory"? You know--sort of like, you can't explain it, but you just feel better when you buy a new one? Well, there are worse things in life I suppose--so long as you have the closest space, where's the harm--right?
By the way, you seem to have been in such a tizzy to layout your qualifications/resume, that you forgot to address my suggestion that support issues are easier to deal with when you and the mfg are situated in the same country (regardless of where the guts inside the product come from).
Maybe it comes down to the price of the product? Most electronics are made in China these days, but at a certain price point, you can expect USA quality support--as you'd get from any of the larger TV mfgs these days, if you purchased one from say, BestBuy. At that level, who cares where it's made? If there's an issue, BestBuy is going to take care of it. But at a lower price point, especially when you're dealing with a smaller mfg, it starts to depend on how much money you're willing to gamble on a given product. If you can risk a couple of hundred dollars, then roll the dice. If not, best to save your money for a sure-thing. I'd put the Jot in the "sure-thing" category. On the other hand, I'd be a tad leery of spending $500 for a Chinese product with no US representation. Just say'n.
By the way, you seem to have been in such a tizzy to layout your qualifications/resume, that you forgot to address my suggestion that support issues are easier to deal with when you and the mfg are situated in the same country (regardless of where the guts inside the product come from).
Maybe it comes down to the price of the product? Most electronics are made in China these days, but at a certain price point, you can expect USA quality support--as you'd get from any of the larger TV mfgs these days, if you purchased one from say, BestBuy. At that level, who cares where it's made? If there's an issue, BestBuy is going to take care of it. But at a lower price point, especially when you're dealing with a smaller mfg, it starts to depend on how much money you're willing to gamble on a given product. If you can risk a couple of hundred dollars, then roll the dice. If not, best to save your money for a sure-thing. I'd put the Jot in the "sure-thing" category. On the other hand, I'd be a tad leery of spending $500 for a Chinese product with no US representation. Just say'n.
bloodhawk
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Apr 27, 2018
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RayFActually used have a serious case of "I can't stop buying audio equipment" , cant deny that. Knocked some sense into myself quite some time back though. Isnt that how all of "audiophoolery" goes though? Specially for DAC's? Im more of a Tube amp person now, and build my own amps derived from a mix of different schematics.
Anyways, my experience dealing with companies based in the USA has been worse than the ones based on China. For example my experience with Schiit have been the most horrendous so far even after owning 3 of their rather expensive products. However experiences while dealing with Chinese sellers for the Audio GD NFB 11 have been nothing short of stellar. Like when i bought the NFB they accidentally slapped the wrong panel on my unit, i contacted them, and they express shipped a brand new panel. The DX7S didnt come with the USB cable for my friends unit, and they instantly refunded $50 and mailed him 2 new cables though EMS (took like 5 days to get here).
I am yet to experience that type of support from USA based seller yet. Like Schiit literally refused to admit their mistake when i bought the Jot that they did not include a power cable :\ Bottlehead wont provide me replacement parts, even when i offered to pay for them, well that was actually for the best since i found them cheaper over at DigiKey. Not saying all brands based here are bad, but a LOT of them actually ARE really bad at providing quality support. I would gladly spend $500 on a Topping/Audio GD product than spend my money on a product from a company like Schiit, who treats their customers like Shit. Maybe they should change their name to the latter.
End of they day its upto the consumer to decide if they want to get price gouged. Support is a sad excuse to pay " a couple of hundred dollars" extra. When you buy a $500 product from china you get way better support from them. The whole stereotype about Chinese support being bad is overblown the shit out of because of very uneducated purchases from very shady sellers. You are buying an expensive item from an international seller, do you research.
End of the day if you know you are paying extra for better support, then state it that way, do not defend the "Made in USA" tag. Because end of the day, and as i said before, it means jack shit. There are USA sellers that provide amazing support for "Made in China" products, albeit for that extra $$.
Again, like everything, your mileage might vary, so stop generalizing.
Also this is my last reply to you. have a great day.
Anyways, my experience dealing with companies based in the USA has been worse than the ones based on China. For example my experience with Schiit have been the most horrendous so far even after owning 3 of their rather expensive products. However experiences while dealing with Chinese sellers for the Audio GD NFB 11 have been nothing short of stellar. Like when i bought the NFB they accidentally slapped the wrong panel on my unit, i contacted them, and they express shipped a brand new panel. The DX7S didnt come with the USB cable for my friends unit, and they instantly refunded $50 and mailed him 2 new cables though EMS (took like 5 days to get here).
I am yet to experience that type of support from USA based seller yet. Like Schiit literally refused to admit their mistake when i bought the Jot that they did not include a power cable :\ Bottlehead wont provide me replacement parts, even when i offered to pay for them, well that was actually for the best since i found them cheaper over at DigiKey. Not saying all brands based here are bad, but a LOT of them actually ARE really bad at providing quality support. I would gladly spend $500 on a Topping/Audio GD product than spend my money on a product from a company like Schiit, who treats their customers like Shit. Maybe they should change their name to the latter.
End of they day its upto the consumer to decide if they want to get price gouged. Support is a sad excuse to pay " a couple of hundred dollars" extra. When you buy a $500 product from china you get way better support from them. The whole stereotype about Chinese support being bad is overblown the shit out of because of very uneducated purchases from very shady sellers. You are buying an expensive item from an international seller, do you research.
End of the day if you know you are paying extra for better support, then state it that way, do not defend the "Made in USA" tag. Because end of the day, and as i said before, it means jack shit. There are USA sellers that provide amazing support for "Made in China" products, albeit for that extra $$.
Again, like everything, your mileage might vary, so stop generalizing.
Also this is my last reply to you. have a great day.
Major_Infidel
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May 11, 2018
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GreenJellyRay is harmless enough (though he does tend to wet himself any time he encounters a user name that doesn’t sound as if it might belong to a Sesame Street character). ;-D
RayF
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May 11, 2018
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Major_Infidel@GreenJelly
Two of my most adoring devotees--so happy you found each other!
Say, you guys should get together and start a club--you know, for other guys who like to play dress-up games too?!
Two of my most adoring devotees--so happy you found each other!
Say, you guys should get together and start a club--you know, for other guys who like to play dress-up games too?!
Major_Infidel
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May 11, 2018
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RayFThanks for sharing with us the poster you keep over your bed. ;-)
RayF
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May 11, 2018
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Major_InfidelYup--you've never looked more adorable--that skirt really brings out the blue in your eyes!
Major_Infidel
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May 11, 2018
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RayFJust out of curiosity, how much time do you spend fantasizing about what other men here at Massdrop look like?
<he asks as he double checks the security settings on all his social media accounts>
<he asks as he double checks the security settings on all his social media accounts>
RayF
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May 11, 2018
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Major_InfidelNever gave it thought actually--and certainly was never curious about it. But don't get me wrong, I'm not judging you.
Major_Infidel
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Jun 3, 2018
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bigjimNo doubt. But some significantly more so than others, it would appear. :-)
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