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xGuitarGodx
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Dec 29, 2016
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Feel like I really got the shaft on this one. As many others have stated, yes the quality on these keycaps is quite poor. Most, if not all of my keycaps, have chipped edges and other misc. broken pieces. The shine through legends on many of the keycaps is poor, often time illegible. My Insert keycap looks like $h!t. To top it all off, the CAPS lock key has an eyesore of a black ink stain on it that you can't miss. I brought this to the attention of Massdrop in August. I agreed to have the CAPS & Insert caps replaced (I figured this was less of a hassle than a full return, plus I didn't have any other spare keycaps to put back on my board at the time). Massdrop stated that they had to find a source for the replacements. Well, 5 months have went by and still nothing from Massdrop. I reached out to them again and requested an exchange for set currently listed (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/133-key-pbt-cherry-keycap-set) and they come back with telling me that I can only return for a full refund. Tssk, tssk Massdrop. This is definitely the way that you lose loyal customers with a long purchase history. Overall, SUPER disappointed and, yes, I will be returning for a full refund
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Dec 29, 2016
BrainFlush
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Dec 31, 2016
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xGuitarGodxSorry to hear you feel wronged or slighted silently. I'll say this. If you've ever seen my posts. I typically question certain cap drops. Asking the thickness etc. In this case I myself was already wary based on the underside of the caps. Caps like these are around and the quality is questionable. Vortex is really the only choice and even that is a gamble. I've since gone blank and artisan caps only. Picture included.
Not much else to say. Maybe I didn't say anything. Just get your refund and don't hold MD at fault. They're just trying to offer people choices. Bad buys usually don't come back or do so fixed.
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Dec 31, 2016
Misfit138
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Jan 3, 2017
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xGuitarGodxThere's nothing wrong with the shine through legends on these keycaps, you are using a keyboard with the LED's and switches mounted upside down, these keycaps were made for the switches and LED's to be normal mount.
Your switch mount:
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Normal switch mount these keycaps were made for:
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An example of mine with normal mounted switches and LED's:
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Another point, red LED's aren't very bright to begin with, as opposed to the sky blue and white LED's in my pics (much brighter). In my builds (I own every keycap color this company makes, been buying them as they have been coming out on AliExpress), one thing I have noticed is red keycaps and red LED's never work out well. The red color of the LED's combined with not being bright blends with the red keycaps, and they just don't stand out as much as with other colors.
Example of brightness between red and blue LED's:
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Jan 3, 2017
aeberbach
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Jan 4, 2017
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xGuitarGodxYes - I bought a set from the same supplier, absolute garbage. Not much point in backlit when only half the backlit text gets lit. These lasted about a week on my keyboard before being replaced. Happy to have spent over double on what I'm using now, when something cheap is only good for the trash the money was wasted.
Jan 4, 2017
jkaos92
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Jan 12, 2017
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xGuitarGodxMay i know which is the supplier on aliexpress that you are talking about? I see a lot of those keycaps on Aliexpress with PBT that support backlit but from different vendors and different prices. Some of those are called Captors, other in different ways, may you help?
Jan 12, 2017
Misfit138
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Jan 16, 2017
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jkaos92Any of them, some vendors sell them cheaper, some don't. Sometimes a vendor will have a sale on them, I picked up a few sets on a sale one had in November for $25 a set with free shipping. As long as they're the same fonts and looks as you see on the sets being sold here at Massdrop, they are the Captors sets, just in different boxes. Including colors and styles that haven't been offered here on Massdrop yet:
A white and dark grey set I picked up, comes with a red and a grey esc cap: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/104-PBT-White-Gray-double-color-Retro-backlit-Keycap-cherry-MX-switch-for-OEM-Filco-etc/32743959477.html
An all grey set I purchased : https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Gray-108-ANSI-layout-Thick-PBT-Backlit-Keycap-For-OEM-cherry-MX-Switches-Mechanical-Keyboard-Gaming/32754161572.html
Corsair type bottom row add-on, I bought both the white and black add-ons: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/8-key-PBT-keycap-Translucidus-Backlight-Backlit-Keycap-for-LogitechG710-CORSAIR-GAMING-Mechanical-Keyboard/32738145064.html
Steelseries (big ass enter key) add-ons: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4-keys-Thicken-PBT-Translucidus-Backlight-Additions-Keycaps-For-SteelSeries-6Gv2-7G-Wired-USB-Mechanical-Keyboard/32767787811.html
ISO stepped caps lock, enter, and shift add-on : https://www.aliexpress.com/item/CHERRY-CAPS-LOCK-Big-Enter-1-25X-Shift-Translucidus-Backlight-Thickening-PBT-Special-keycaps-For-Wired/32764893904.html
Gradient Sets, I haven't bought these as I don't care for the gradient colors: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/104-108-Keys-PBT-Double-Color-Rainbow-Injection-Keycaps-OEM-Height-For-Cherry-MX-Switches-Mechanical/32786772440.html
Black Gradient Sets: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/2016-NEW-ARRIVAL-104-Keys-Thickening-PBT-Double-Shot-Backlight-RED-Gradient-Keycap-OEM-Profile-For/32759702529.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/2016-NEW-ARRIVAL-104-Keys-Thick-PBT-Purple-Gradient-Double-Shot-Backlight-Keycap-OEM-Profile-For/32759646946.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/2016-NEW-ARRIVAL-104-Keys-Thickening-PBT-Double-Shot-Backlight-Blue-Gradient-Keycap-For-Cherry-MX/32759702755.html
Jan 16, 2017
jkaos92
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Jan 16, 2017
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Misfit138Thank you so much for your long answer! I don't expect much quality on those PBT double shots, but may i ask if they are acceptable in your opinion? Maybe compared with higher quality pbt keycaps. I would also know the thickness, on the captor sets they say 1.4mm that seems a lot for such a cheap set.
Jan 16, 2017
Misfit138
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Jan 16, 2017
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jkaos92Yes, the quality is acceptable in my opinion, there's nothing wrong with these keycaps. The varying degrees of satisfaction you see in the comments here have more to do with the keyboard being used and the LED's than the keycaps themselves. Most don't realize this.
A couple of examples:
xGuitarGodx, who started this thread about his dissatisfaction is using:
1. The wrong type of switch mount, LED is on the south end of the switch, not on the north end, so the light will never shine through the legends positioned at the top of the keycap where the light needs to be.
2. Red LED's which aren't bright to begin with as compared to other colors in the spectrum.
Another overlooked point about the differences in backlit keyboards, is what type of LED is being used. RGB LED's aren't as bright as fixed single color LED's.
An example of two of my keyboards with identical keycaps (Grey and White). RGB keyboard on the bottom set up for pink on the modifiers and blue on the alphas. Single color fixed LED's on the top keyboard, again pink on the modifiers and blue for the alphas:

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You can see the difference in brightness between the single color LED's (top keyboard) and theRGB LED's (bottom keyboard).
And these are just normal top of switch mount LED's, then there are SMD mounted LED's which are soldered to the PCB under the switch and are generally dimmer because the light has to shine up through a small hole in the switch and finally up to the legends, losing about 50% of the light before it shines through the keycap legends. Corsair's RGB keyboards have this style and its the #1 reason why their keyboards are so dim, it's just a bad design, and there are no keycaps in the universe that can fix bad design.
Jan 16, 2017
jkaos92
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Jan 16, 2017
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Misfit138Oh thanks, in fact those keycaps are for a keyboard with SMD leds, at this point i don't think the light will never go through legends :P Thanks man this was really usefull. After you answer I totally changed mind and I will go on a different type keycaps (dsa, xda, g20 or something like this). Thanks for the photos and for the whole wall of text. You are the best!
Jan 16, 2017
xGuitarGodx
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Jan 28, 2017
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Misfit138
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You couldn't be further from the truth and facts that I laid out earlier. As shown in this picture, shine through is NOT my problem with these keycaps. It does not matter the switch mount when the leds are this bright. These keycaps lack the basic quality that I've gotten with sets. As can be seen in my previous post. Please don't misconstrue my meaning to fit your agenda. Go troll someone else's post.
Jan 28, 2017
Misfit138
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Feb 2, 2017
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xGuitarGodxQuoted from your opening post:
"The shine through legends on many of the keycaps is poor, often time illegible. My Insert keycap looks like $h!t. "
Now who is REALLY trolling here with an agenda eh?
And again, look at that picture you just posted, every LED on that keyboard is on the south end of the switch, these keycaps weren't made for it, end of story.
Feb 2, 2017
xGuitarGodx
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Feb 2, 2017
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Misfit138WOW! You just don't know when to quit. It's obvious that you don't know what the definition of illegible is. Here let me help you. Illegible: adj.; not clear enough to be read. Does that help. The actual legends are what I was detailing as being "poor" and "illegible". Much the same way that a previous post pointed out the same thing.
Here we go again with the switch mount, ehh? You must be blind to see that, even with my "south end mount leds", the light shines through just fine. As a matter of fact, it truly shows how cheap these caps really are because you can see the shine from my leds through the caps themselves. Unlike from you cheap, potato keyboards.
Go take your dense thoughts elsewhere. Honestly, quit being a loser.
Feb 2, 2017
jkaos92
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Feb 2, 2017
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xGuitarGodxGuys calm down!
I know you are a bit stressed inside, waiting for the K-type since months, but this won't help you! :D
Feb 2, 2017
Misfit138
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Feb 3, 2017
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xGuitarGodxLol, get triggered much?
Rage post if I ever saw one. I appreciate the intelligent conversation, I'll leave you to your name calling.
Feb 3, 2017
xGuitarGodx
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Feb 3, 2017
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Feb 3, 2017
jkaos92
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Feb 3, 2017
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xGuitarGodxCan't reply to both, but how do i disable notifications in this post?
Feb 3, 2017
AlexPk
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Feb 3, 2017
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Alright everyone. Be cool.
Feb 3, 2017
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