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Triaed
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Aug 28, 2018
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Esoxangler
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Sep 15, 2018
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TriaedMy thoughts are that you should move out of communist Canada. My condolences on the loss of your cutlery.
Triaed
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Sep 15, 2018
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EsoxanglerSo.cia.list! 🙂
I have to say I do enjoy free medicines for all my family. I suppose they can keep my knife
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I have to say I do enjoy free medicines for all my family. I suppose they can keep my knife
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Esoxangler
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Sep 15, 2018
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TriaedI've lived in America all my life and I've never been murdered in the street. My health insurance is pretty great too. Max 2000 out of pocket and I can't be turned away by a beurocrat. Your taxes pay for yours
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TortoiseThunder
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Sep 20, 2018
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TriaedNothing is free, what is your tax rate? Too funny...free medicines, how come so many of your comrades "holiday" in the USA to get cash surgeries...what, what? 2 year wait for knee, hip, or shoulder surgery?
AnthonyDR
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Sep 20, 2018
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TriaedI'm a bit late seeing this thread - just wondering if you got a refund? Does CBSA return the knife to MD?
Triaed
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Sep 20, 2018
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TortoiseThunderSigh
It was a facetious response to @Esoxangler's comment about moving out of Canada... which itself was also facetious
Triaed
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Sep 20, 2018
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AnthonyDRHey Anthony
I submitted a request to reclassify the knife and deliver it to me. It is still open. If the request is denied I have only two options:
Abandon the item (which I assume gets destroyed) Arrange for a return to seller using a bonded courier who can transport prohibited weapons. Besides this courier service being overkill and expensive, MD does not accept returns.
I am keeping my fingers crossed
Abandon the item (which I assume gets destroyed) Arrange for a return to seller using a bonded courier who can transport prohibited weapons. Besides this courier service being overkill and expensive, MD does not accept returns.
I am keeping my fingers crossed
AnthonyDR
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Sep 20, 2018
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TriaedThanks for coming back to reply... that is just brutal. Hearing this I can't imagine taking a risk on buying a knife from outside of Canada again. Having said that, I'm wondering how Canadian retailers are still getting these products...
In any case best of luck to you!
In any case best of luck to you!
Triaed
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Sep 20, 2018
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AnthonyDROh, No worries, happy to provide more details as they come up.
The criminal code was updated to include as "prohibited weapons" blades that can be deployed quickly including those with flipper tabs, or by the use of centrifugal force or gravity. There is a memorandum explaimong the deplyment methods and further restricting importation of blades. For example a blade which can be deployed usong some initial preparation motion or skill, then using centrifugal force can be a prohibited weapon... this is ANY blade, even a little Swiss Army knife (you can pull the blade open with your nail just a bit, then swing it open). Of course, this in entirely left to the opinion of the CBSA agent!
Knives that are already in Canada and being sold by merchants should be exempt. Also, merchants or individuals who wish to import any of these knives need to have some sort of license.
The criminal code was updated to include as "prohibited weapons" blades that can be deployed quickly including those with flipper tabs, or by the use of centrifugal force or gravity. There is a memorandum explaimong the deplyment methods and further restricting importation of blades. For example a blade which can be deployed usong some initial preparation motion or skill, then using centrifugal force can be a prohibited weapon... this is ANY blade, even a little Swiss Army knife (you can pull the blade open with your nail just a bit, then swing it open). Of course, this in entirely left to the opinion of the CBSA agent!
Knives that are already in Canada and being sold by merchants should be exempt. Also, merchants or individuals who wish to import any of these knives need to have some sort of license.
Dangocrazy
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Sep 20, 2018
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TriaedDear fellow Canadian certain companies send knives and call it camping equipment 😉
Triaed
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Sep 20, 2018
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DangocrazyGood point! Especially since a sheep's foot blade is not an effective "weapon". MD should take note.
I have no idea what the seller used as the export classification as I never saw the package; suffice to say that the CBSA re-classified it based on the opinion
I have no idea what the seller used as the export classification as I never saw the package; suffice to say that the CBSA re-classified it based on the opinion
bluequick
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Sep 23, 2018
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TriaedThe criminal code has not changed. This is purely CBSA's beaurocratic nonsense. Look it up your self, laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-46/page-18.html#h-37
Triaed
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Sep 23, 2018
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bluequickYup, I did check. It has in fact, changed as of January 2018 to expand the definition of (And to include additional items as) "prohibited weapons"
I do agree it is nonsense blown out of proportion by the CBSA as these items cannot be used to induce mass injuries or killings.
bluequick
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Sep 23, 2018
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TriaedWhere has it changed? Section 84 is still the same as it always was.
BoxBlade
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Sep 24, 2018
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TriaedBad knife laws suck. I know, I live in NY. Pansy ass liberals always blame the tool, not the person wielding it. I could do as much damage with a screwdriver. Are they going to outlaw those too?
14themoney
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Sep 25, 2018
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TriaedMaybe a sharpened hockey stick? There are still a few reasons that I enjoy living in TN. I really am sorry for your loss. Your government (and mine) recalls a paraphrase of s Dark Helmet quote, "I like power and money, and I have both."
Triaed
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Oct 1, 2018
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Triaed *** UPDATE 1 Oct 2018 ***
I received a letter from the Recourse Directorate (the trade appeals unit) with their response to my appeal. Their finding is that the Bestech Hornet is a prohibited weapon.
The basis for their decision seems to be solely on the deployment method "by applying pressure to the knife's flipper or protrusion, the blade opened automatically to the extended position. This is considered opening automatically by hand pressure applied to a button, spring or other device in or attached to the handle of the knife". It is important to note that the device (flipper tab) is NOT in or on the handle, but on the blade itself, but they concluded that such a flipper protrudes from the handle and is, in fact, considered to be a device attached to the handle. Oh well...
I think that there are other factors not considered such as the law is mostly meant to prohibit the import of knives like balisongs or switchblades; I see a sheep's foot more like a box cutter or even a carving knife (not a weapon). There is also a loophole in the letter of the law as the device is not attached to the handle. In any case, someone with more patience than I can pick up that legal battle, perhaps some sort of class action.
I have 3 options: appeal again to the Canadian International Trade Tribunal, arrange for a return of the knife using a bonded courier who can transport dangerous goods (at exorbitant rates), or abandon the knife. I give up.
The basis for their decision seems to be solely on the deployment method "by applying pressure to the knife's flipper or protrusion, the blade opened automatically to the extended position. This is considered opening automatically by hand pressure applied to a button, spring or other device in or attached to the handle of the knife". It is important to note that the device (flipper tab) is NOT in or on the handle, but on the blade itself, but they concluded that such a flipper protrudes from the handle and is, in fact, considered to be a device attached to the handle. Oh well...
I think that there are other factors not considered such as the law is mostly meant to prohibit the import of knives like balisongs or switchblades; I see a sheep's foot more like a box cutter or even a carving knife (not a weapon). There is also a loophole in the letter of the law as the device is not attached to the handle. In any case, someone with more patience than I can pick up that legal battle, perhaps some sort of class action.
I have 3 options: appeal again to the Canadian International Trade Tribunal, arrange for a return of the knife using a bonded courier who can transport dangerous goods (at exorbitant rates), or abandon the knife. I give up.
Antibacterial
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Nov 2, 2018
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TriaedWe went through that BS in Aus from 2011 to 2016 hang in there and fight it .....you'll win eventually even if you have to give up this knife..
Triaed
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Nov 4, 2018
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AntibacterialThere is a purpose to the restriction and that is to stop uncontrolled importation of dangerous items without a license (for example, full auto conversion kits, high capacity clips, etc). This is just ridiculous as this knife is a glorified box cutter.
Funny enough, you can find one handed operated knives in Canada, so their sale is allowed, just not the importation by individuals.
I could put up a fight. I am just tired of their BS. And MS will not help either.
Antibacterial
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Nov 4, 2018
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TriaedWhat happened in Oz is there was a big upswing of knife murders ..... basically what was going on was Sudanese refugee gang members were getting cheap kitchen or fishing knives ,,,,committing crimes violence and murder esp against Indian students ..... but the media couldn't report that as I guess that would bias the population against African refugees.. Anyway the result was stupid things like Aldi having to dump advertised specials like a fathers day traditional stockman lockless folder and police and fireman soldiers and first responders being unable to buy suitable tools .....meanwhile available one handed openers jumped in price to ridiculous prices and knife knuts went nuts for one handed folders....
None of this addressed the actual problem of violent crimes because perps arnt going to spend $ on a quality blade and speed or ease of opening makes absolutely NO DIFFERENCE whatsoever. It takes the same time to deploy a 2 handed knife....it just takes 2 hands ......fixed blades can be deployed instantly too.....
Glad common sence won out in the end.
MonnoM
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Nov 18, 2018
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TriaedHuh. Fellow Canadian here- my Bestech Paladin shipped in October without a hassle. I would consider its blade shape far more "aggressive", (from a BS bureaucratic point of view) than the hornet's. So idk. I have no idea how customs actually operates, but perhaps there's a provincial discrepancy in how strictly these new restrictions are enforced? Anyway, if you have paypal this retailer might serve you better: https://www.warriorsandwonders.com/All_Folding_Knives
Good luck!
Triaed
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Jun 27, 2019
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spaceweaselI got a MAGA hat you might like. Don't worry, you can barely smell the poop anymore from the brains that leaked out of the head of the previous owner.
Triaed
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Jun 27, 2019
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MonnoMThanks. I abandoned the case a while back. Since then, I have received a few other knives... none with flipper tabs.
I suppose the point is that if a knife gets stipped by the CBSA it will be entirely up to the opinion of the agent whether it goes through or it is considered a prohibited weapon... which can literally be ANY knife based on the definition
Triaed
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Jun 27, 2019
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spaceweaselSure, my response is childish, I'll own that. However, you seem blissfully unaware that you made an irrelevant political comment and then gets their panties in a bunch when someone bristles.
Don't be that guy, Guy.
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I advice fellow Canadians to avoid purchasing this and any other knives that open one handed. :-(
I guess that leaves us with nail groove blades.
Oh, and I have a Karambit coming that o am sure it will be seized as well, any thoughts
UPDATE 1 Oct 2018 I received a letter from the Recourse Directorate (the trade appeals unit) with their response to my appeal. Their finding is that the Bestech Hornet is a prohibited weapon. The basis of their decision seems to be solely on the deployment method "by applying pressure to the knife's flipper or protrusion, the blade opened automatically to the extended position. This is considered opening automatically by hand pressure applied to a button, spring or other device in or attached to the handle of the knife". It is important to note that the device (flipper tab) is NOT in or on the handle, but on the blade itself, but they concluded that such a flipper protrudes from the handle and is, in fact, considered to be a device attached to the handle. Oh well... I think that there are other factors not considered such as the law is mostly meant to prohibit the import of knives like balisongs or switchblades; I see a sheep's foot more like a box cutter or even a carving knife (not a weapon). There is also a loophole in the letter of the law as the device is not attached to the handle. In any case, someone with more patience than I can pick up that legal battle, perhaps some sort of class action. I have 3 options: appeal again to the Canadian International Trade Tribunal, arrange for a return of the knife using a bonded courier who can transport dangerous goods (at exorbitant rates), or abandon the knife. I give up.