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Itsraining
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Feb 26, 2018
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Where is this knife made? I didn't see that in the description. If it's China they can keep it. I don't buy Chinese made knives.
Feb 26, 2018
RatRacer
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Feb 26, 2018
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Itsraining China
Feb 26, 2018
Itsraining
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Feb 26, 2018
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RatRacerEhh keep it
Feb 26, 2018
MichaelHeartless
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Feb 26, 2018
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ItsrainingI picked up this knife in one of the last drops and can say that it is extremely well made. Chinese knife companies like Bestech, WeKnife, and Kizer are really raising the bar and offer knives that are better quality than most of the U.S. made knives I own.
Feb 26, 2018
RatRacer
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Feb 26, 2018
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MichaelHeartlessAgreed, along with Rike and Reate. Big name makers wouldn't be licensing their name and designs to these folks, if they were producing crap and clones.
Feb 26, 2018
Itsraining
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Feb 26, 2018
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MichaelHeartlessWE knife are ok, kizer is junk, bestech probably junk based on the price . I prefer benchmade, Spyderco, Hinderer, southern grind, quartermaster, zt, chris Reeves, dpx, Olamic, Todd Begg, Microtech to name a few.
Feb 26, 2018
Ray_NC
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Feb 26, 2018
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RatRacerUmm... big name makers license their designs to CRKT, who drops the ball on execution many times... just sayin'.
I am in for one of these BG01's, though!
Feb 26, 2018
Kavik
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Feb 26, 2018
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ItsrainingThen you're depriving yourself of a lot of good quality items for absolutely no good reason. It's your prerogative, but it's still sad.
Care to explain why you think Kizer is junk? I only have one, but have no complaints with it so far
Feb 26, 2018
MDDoge
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Feb 26, 2018
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ItsrainingThat might be the most pretentious knife related comment I've seen all week.
Feb 26, 2018
Itsraining
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Feb 26, 2018
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KavikBuy some of the brands that I listed and compare them and then your question will be answered.
Feb 26, 2018
RatRacer
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Feb 26, 2018
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Ray_NCTruth in that. Sometimes it's a $$$ thing. (Opens drawer and attempts to flip open a Liong Mah designed CRKT GSD with uber tight detent...)
Feb 26, 2018
Kavik
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Feb 26, 2018
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ItsrainingThat's not an answer. A $400 Hinderer or a$500 Chris Reeves doesn't make a $100 Kizer junk. That's like saying my Mazda is junk, you know, if you compare it to a Ferrari 🙄
But I'd put my $100 Kizer up against my $125 Spyderco and say the Kizer is lacking nothing in build quality, and is WAY ahead in value vs price. I'd say the same for my Bestechs and WE in the same general price range vs the spyderco too. Don't know about the 'budget line' (g10/d2) Bestechs yet, still waiting on my first one to be delivered. But I'd still bet they'll hold up just fine vs other knives of similar price/materials......but no reasonable person is going to compare them to something 4-10x the price
Feb 26, 2018
PNWNative
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Feb 27, 2018
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ItsrainingI have 2 Kizers, they are great; well designed and we'll made. Tell me, have you actually bought one?
Feb 27, 2018
Itsraining
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Feb 27, 2018
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PNWNativeNo because I'm not gonna buy Buick quality over Mercedes quality. When I go to sell any of my knives I guarantee I will get close to what I paid on them. On quiet a few I will get more than what I paid because they're limited run, handmade, and not cheap production runs that they make for years.
Feb 27, 2018
Dhill21
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Feb 27, 2018
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ItsrainingThat’s too bad, I got the Ferrum Forge Falcon and it is awesome. I prefer to buy US but there are some knives you cant beat the value.
Feb 27, 2018
Kavik
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Feb 27, 2018
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ItsrainingThen you have zero input here. Try again after you've actually handled some of these knives.
Why did you even start this conversation in the first place? If what you expect is $500 custom knife quality, what are you even asking about country of origin on a $35 production knife for? Elitist trolling 🙄🙄
Feb 27, 2018
PNWNative
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Feb 27, 2018
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ItsrainingYou are making an apples and oranges comparison then - production knives are always going to be cheaper and have less resale value.
Feb 27, 2018
Dhill21
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Feb 27, 2018
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KavikI have 2 Kizer knives, one higher end and one vanguard, my one and only complaint is the hardware (pivot screws etc) metal is a little soft and damages very easy. I had to apply loctite once and during assembly/disassembly the torx pivot screw got chewed up a little. Luckily everything is set now.
Feb 27, 2018
Kavik
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Feb 27, 2018
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Dhill21Sorry Dhill, the way md handles replies always gets things out of order. My response was aimed at Itsrainings last post, not at you
Feb 27, 2018
Dhill21
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Feb 28, 2018
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KavikNo worries I was just chiming in, i was just commenting on Kizer, I know the conversation was between you guys.
Feb 28, 2018
MDDoge
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Feb 28, 2018
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ItsrainingWhy are you comparing your custom knife collecting/investing hobby with someone's generic knife collecting/using hobby? Again your pretension is astounding.
Feb 28, 2018
Itsraining
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Feb 28, 2018
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Dhill21Too bad for you that you support Chinese jobs over U.S. jobs
Feb 28, 2018
Itsraining
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Feb 28, 2018
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KavikBecause there are U.S made knives that aren't 500 [moderated]. And learn to read, just because I said I didn't buy that Chinese crap doesn't mean I never "handled" one. Keep buying that cheap shit, it shows how much money you have.
Feb 28, 2018
Itsraining
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Feb 28, 2018
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PNWNativeIt is apples and oranges because U.S. is quality and Chinese is shit. If you like Chinese shit then go fuckin live there.
Feb 28, 2018
Itsraining
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Feb 28, 2018
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MDDogeCollecting is collecting
Feb 28, 2018
MDDoge
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Feb 28, 2018
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ItsrainingThat's absurd. Let me give you an example: I collect knives to test out functionality. My end goal is to find a few knives that suit my needs, but I also keep knives that implement a particular feature very well, represent a company, or demonstrate some overarching concept like expected quality at a specific price point. In all likelihood I'll be collecting indefinitely, as my goal is essentially to find near-perfection in an object bound by reality and defined by my needs, a dynamic set of requirements.
At this point I can only assume your goal (so correct me if I'm off the mark), but I would say it's to appreciate high-quality knives for their design, manufacture, or craftsmanship; you view your knives as things of value in of themselves rather than tools as I do. Or at least you view your knives as something to assign a value to either from on your tastes or what you expect you could resell them for based on factors like collectability.
These goals are distinct, and therefore reducing them down to the simple act of collecting and then declaring them the same is ridiculous.
Feb 28, 2018
Kavik
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Feb 28, 2018
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ItsrainingI'm aware, but those are the ones you keep bragging about. The point is you couldn't have possibly expected this was made in the us with these materials at this price.
And no, what I choose to spend money on has nothing to do with what I earn. I'm sorry that's how you feel you have to validate yourself
Feb 28, 2018
Itsraining
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Mar 1, 2018
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MDDogeYou are partially correct. I have over 140 pocket knives that I collect for design, workmanship, and value. I have knives I paid 800+ for that are numbered and don't make anymore. And they have doubled in price so I could sell at a high profit. And then I have some 200-300 dollar knives that i will use on pretty much anything, they're my work knives. But I still rather give my money to keep Americans working rather then giving it to the Chinese. That's the problem with a lot of people here, they're not loyal. Look around whether it's the U.S. or other countries and see what 99% of the Asians are driving. They're driving Asian car manufacturers. They are loyal to their own kind but too many people that live in the U.S. aren't loyal to their country and the people.
Mar 1, 2018
crossfire713
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Mar 1, 2018
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KavikAll I hear fro Itsraining is blah/snob, blah/ snob,
Mar 1, 2018
MDDoge
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Mar 1, 2018
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ItsrainingAssuming an average might be $300/knife, you've spent over $42,000 dollars on knives. That's almost the median yearly income in the US. Take that into consideration when passing judgement on the lowly peasants. All jabs aside, I was waiting for you to make a point along the line of country loyalty before reiterating what others have said, but do you also have a US made phone? Kitchen appliances? Computer? Do you shop for produce at local markets? How about avoiding purchases made to international companies? I wonder if you're consistent in your loyalty. This isn't a point solely to be pedantic though; I do want to know whether you apply your standards solely to your passion, or if you extend them to the banal.
Mar 1, 2018
Itsraining
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Mar 1, 2018
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MDDogeObviously you're being sarcastic because you know that not everything is made in the U.S. There are things that you can't avoid buying which aren't made in the U.S. My cell phone was not manufactured overseas, all of the food I eat is from my state and within the U.S. My weathertech floormats in all of my vehicles were made in Wisconsin. My knife sharpening system was made in New Jersey. My Carhartt coats and clothing are made in Michigan. Ny furniture is made in the USA. I can go on and on but you need to understand that if I have I have a choice to buy U.S. made or Chinese made I will pick U.S. everytime because I'd rather keep my people working first.
Mar 1, 2018
Kavik
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Mar 1, 2018
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ItsrainingGiven two equal quality items at a reasonably equal price, I would do the same (read: I would pay more for local products, but there's a limit). But not blindly, with bigoted ignorance. Lots of low quality shit gets made right here at home..... And still usually costs more than this. Well beyond the aforementioned limit.
Mar 1, 2018
Kavik
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Mar 1, 2018
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Kavik@ItsrainingTell ya what. I didn't get in on this drop, but I am waiting on the Bestech Swordfish. Another G10 handled D2 blade from the same company. That was $45 for a 4" knife. You point me to a US made knife in the same price range that you think will outdo it in build quality and materials and I'll go buy it right now and give an honest opinion when the two are here to compare
Mar 1, 2018
Itsraining
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Mar 1, 2018
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KavikGive me an example of what is made here that's shit compared to the same thing that's Chinese. Don't worry I'll wait... I mentioned I have weathertech floor liners in all of my vehicles. They are more money than the Chinese shit. I paid roughly $140 set for front and back. They are laser measured and snap in where the oem mats go in, they look great and are extremely durable. There's a ton of cheap ass people that will say fuck that I'm not paying 140 for floor liners and go by a Chinese set for 50 bucks. Those are the non loyal Americans that are the reason China passed the USA to take the #1 spot in manufacturing. We used to be #1. So i will pay more money when I know the quality is better and when I'm helping to keep American workers working and being able to put a roof over their kids heads, and feed & clothe them. You guys can say whatever you want to justify buying Chinese but it will NEVER change my mind. I am way too loyal to my country and love my country a lot.
Mar 1, 2018
Kavik
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Mar 1, 2018
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ItsrainingYes, I'm familiar with the floor mats and have considered them myself in the past, but opted to stick with the winter versions from the car manufacturer at the time, because back then I didn't have the money to blow on stuff like that at the time. Maybe I'll look into it again now that you've reminded me. (edit: and no, not wanting to spend $140 on floor mats doesn't make someone non loyal. That's genuinely more than some people can spend on a non-necessity)
But you're still missing the point. You're comparing high quality made in America to low quality made somewhere else, and pretending like high quality can't possibly exist in other places.
To keep on topic, I can think of two Kershaws off the top of my head that are in the other room right now, both made in the US, both are fine enough knives, but neither compare to my recent purchases from Kizer, Bestech, or WE. They're just.... Average.
Anyway, it's a freaking knife man. A) me buying this one does not mean I'm not going to decide to buy one tomorrow that's made right here in NY if I see one that catches my eye. And B) this $30-40 isn't keeping anyone clothed or fed, or giving big bad China some hold over us. How many knife purchases would it take to make up the difference of just ONE imported car? (and I'm not going down the rabbit hole of that example you gave of loyal Asians driving Asian cars)
US makers are free to increase their quality and/or lower their prices if they want a bigger cut of the market. That's business, this is a global economy.
That said, I do still hope you'll suggest a realistic competitor for these knives, i'd be genuinely interested to see that. Go ahead, "I'll wait....."
Mar 1, 2018
Dhill21
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Mar 1, 2018
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ItsrainingHaha the Ferrum Falcon was designed by US knife makers and manufactured in China, everyone is getting their cut. I never said I support Chinese over American, most of my knives are USA made. And if another country makes a good value knife it makes the US step up their game, competition is a good thing. Funny how you get touchy about where someone buys their knife from yet all these knife companies go to the same blade shows (foreign and domestic makers) and get along and enjoy the knife culture.
Mar 1, 2018
Kavik
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Dhill21Sorry, missed this earlier. I didn't mind at all that you chimed in, just thought you might have read that in a way that made it seem my negativity was aimed at you, and it certainly wasn't!
Edit: once again this terrible reply order gets the better of us, I forget every time. That was in response to this : "No worries I was just chiming in, i was just commenting on Kizer, I know the conversation was between you guys."
Mar 1, 2018
bambam67
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Jul 17, 2018
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Itsrainingthen you are missing out on a great quality knife. better than many " made in America" ones...your choice your loss.
Jul 17, 2018
calicajun76
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Jul 21, 2018
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Itsrainingman, ill start by saying this most american branded knife companies have their "value lines" made in china. I own a fair amount of these that are easily twice the cost of the besttech knives, I support american built products, but as a blue collar worker i can not afford to lose 2 to 3 hundred dollars worth of a tool, and besttech is producing some incredibly fine cutlery for an incrdibly fair price. Dont limit yourself. None of the Top American brands care much wether you buy thier american or chinese knives just as long as you spend your money with them. Do yourself a favor if you truly appreciate real good quality knives give these guys a try.
Jul 21, 2018
Itsraining
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Jul 21, 2018
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calicajun76No thanks man, I will support all of the American custom knife makers that are made in America. You being a blue collar worker, maybe you'll find yourself out of a job one day because people were buying Chinese shit instead of American. When it happens let me know how your kids are eatin.
Jul 21, 2018
calicajun76
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Jul 21, 2018
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Itsrainingmy kids will always eat just fine man. Its a smaller world than you realize nothing you buy is truly 100% percent American.
Jul 21, 2018
calicajun76
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Jul 21, 2018
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Itsrainingill loose my job to a robot before i loose it to another country, because of some rich greedy American CEO.
Jul 21, 2018
Kavik
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Jul 21, 2018
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calicajun76Jeeeezus, is this STILL going on? Lol
People need to stop bothering to even try with this willfully ignorant ass clown. You'd have better results banging your head against a brick wall for the rest of eternity
Like three quarters of his posts are either anti-China ranting, slyly homophobic remarks, crude insults, or complaints about this site (and threatening to but, unfortunately, never leaving it). The rest are just pointless cocky remarks bragging about money.
You'll never change his mind, and he'll never add anything of value to this community. Better off just walking away from it....doesn't seem like it would take a whole heck of a lot to "be the bigger man" here 😂
Jul 21, 2018
Kavik
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Jul 21, 2018
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calicajun76And the robot will be made in Japan, with parts from China, with tech support in India 🤣🤣
Jul 21, 2018
calicajun76
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Jul 21, 2018
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Kavikdidnt even notice how long the thread was until after his reply, then i read thru and realized what i was dealing with. common sense aint so common.
Jul 21, 2018
glennac
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Nov 13, 2018
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ItsrainingI’m willing to ‘support local’ when possible. But from space there are no borders. They are simply petty human contrivances. And blind patriotism is unhealthy. If I purchase a Korean car from an American plant, that doesn’t make me a blindly devoted Korean. And if I purchase an American designed knife from a Chinese manufacturer, it doesn’t make me a blindly devoted Chinese. The US survives on global trade. It would have devolved into a third-world country if it hadn’t participated in the global economy. Most of the World trades in the dollar because the US was out there interacting and trading with other countries early on. We can’t be a healthy society by ignoring the rest of the world. We buy Asian electronics, foreigners love buying American cars. It’s a healthy 2-way street. Isolationism and fanatical patriotism isn’t healthy though (See German history for a perfect example among many).
Nov 13, 2018
Itsraining
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Nov 13, 2018
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calicajun76God Bless you
Nov 13, 2018
14themoney
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Nov 13, 2018
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ItsrainingChina is producing some very good knives now at very good prices. And they still are making some very crappy ones. I have some Chinese knives that are really great. I also have some Spydercos (Golden, CO) and some Benchmades that are very good.
Nov 13, 2018
bambam67
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Nov 21, 2018
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Itsrainingthats no answer its a dodge. what? did you google "custom knife" and just cut / paste them to sound like you know anything? try posting a MODEL and a picture and explain the differences? besides high prices. and snobbish if not down right racist (" If it's China they can keep it. I don't buy Chinese made knives.") commentary. and FYI that comment shows your ignorance about knives.
Nov 21, 2018
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