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MrHoneycrisp
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May 4, 2018
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Anyone, which would be the best value between DT880 vs DT990 vs HE4xx ? I mainly listen to hip-hop and electronic and "enjoy" bass. I am upgrading from 4 yr old ath-m50. Or at the least outline the differences? I am new to nicer open back headphones
May 4, 2018
Mohannad13
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May 5, 2018
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MrHoneycrispI have the same situation I prefer to get the 6xx or the 58x jublee
May 5, 2018
Aech661
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May 6, 2018
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Mohannad13I can try to answer. The 6xx are close to the 650s, and I have a pair. They are an amazing lol around pair. The most detailed of all. The bass isn’t super present but it is detailed, precise and tight. Probably the most balanced sounding of all in terms of treble bass and highs. Everything is where it needs to be. I have a pair of 4xx coming in. They are easier to drive and I hear they are fun to listen to with more bass, but won’t be as high resolution overall, although most wont hear that really. I also hear they are slightly more open. The beydynamics will be the easiest to drive at 32 ohms, literally with just a phone. But I hear they are hard to listen to. The 990s have more bass than the 880s but the treble is just to high on both from what I read. I want a pair really bad but I can never pull the trigger. I honestly would narrow it down to the6xx and 4xx to be honest.
Between these 2, it comes down to a few factors. The 4xx will be easier to drive, you can listen with a phone but an amp will definitely enhance it. Do not even try with the 6xx. the volume is not there and the sound is just dead without an amp.
If if you have an amp, I think the 6xx is a better all rounder. Sounds great with gaming movies and music. but remember that you will have to wait way longer. Shipping is like October for those vs July for the 4xx.
As as for the jubilees. No one has them yet but I have a pair coming in in a month. they are supposed to be much flatter sounding. I got them for the lower ohm, because they are sexy. And for the modding of course. I of purse am also just a collector and have about 11 pairs now.
Btw. All of my listening so far has been with a schiit jotunheim with a multibit dac.
May 6, 2018
Uzuzu
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May 8, 2018
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MrHoneycrispdt990 or the he4xx. I'd go for the 990 because the he4xx is heavy man, 370g...
May 8, 2018
BluJay614
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Aug 13, 2018
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MrHoneycrispThe DT880 where more flat/netral then the DT990. Unfortunately, I don't know much about the HE4XX, though Beyerdynamic is known for leaning more towrds the highs/trebble. If I may, I would more suggest the HE-350 with the reversable bass mod, and some angled pads(like these: https://www.amazon.com/Brainwavz-Angled-Memory-Foam-Earpad/dp/B00ZY8PGJI ) They are dynamic drivers, yes, however planars aren't as good for the sub bass(that rumble or thump). Also, open ear tends to loose alot of that kind of sound signiture compared to closed backs.
Aug 13, 2018
fannyfoodle
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Aug 13, 2018
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Aech661He asks a question about the Beyers, you tell him that the Senns are "better", and then you concede that you've never actually heard either one of them. How is that helpful?
Aug 13, 2018
Uzuzu
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Aug 13, 2018
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fannyfoodleBeyers are the best, imo. Better clarity and comfort.
Aug 13, 2018
Aech661
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Aug 13, 2018
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fannyfoodleMan your comprehension is laughable at best. I said I could try to help by comparing what I know. I stated clearly that I hadnt listened to the beyers but referred to the harshness that i read about all the time. Then I proceeded to compare the 4xx, which he clearly did ask about, to others that I have. I then stated which of the ones I would pick that I have tried, and give just a general recommendation of the 4xx’s as they are good all rounders. I never stated that any were better than the beyers, as I never tried them. Only stated that I would steer clear based on what I’ve heard and have other possibilities.
not to mention this was sll months ago and clearly irrelevant now. I’ve also tested beyers since then and I stand even more firm on steerinh Clear.
But thanks for your correction. You’re a real trooper
Aug 13, 2018
Aech661
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Aug 13, 2018
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Aech661Oh and my bad. I thought I had compared the 4xx, as they were coming in but I have them now. So long ago that I forgot that was before I even had the he-4xx
Aug 13, 2018
phoible
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Aug 14, 2018
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MrHoneycrispI have the DT880 (250 ohms) and the HE-400i. I think that the HE-400i sounds significantly better, although the DT880 isn't bad. The HE-400i is slightly bulky. Neither has a ton of bass.
I also have the Sennheiser HD58x, and those might be even better for the use case you describe. They definitely have a more fun sound, and have a lot more bass.
Aug 14, 2018
fannyfoodle
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Aug 14, 2018
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Aech661Against my better judgment, I'll take the bait. My reading comprehension is actually quite stellar, which is why I was perplexed and dismayed (addled, even) by your obtuse, yet lengthy, response to the OP's original question which was;
"Anyone which would be best value between DT880 vs DT990 vs HE4xx ? I mainly listen to hip-hop and electronic and "enjoy" bass...."
Offering "advice" based on what you've read is far less valuable than reading those same accounts firsthand. Also, it is pretty clear that the OP was looking for input from folks with real experience, not a poor summation of what he's probably already read himself.
But to be fair, let's presume that you have a new recommendation that the OP hadn't considered, such as one of the Sennheisers. The problem is, your meandering advice failed to consider the most important quality @MrHoneycrisp expressed, namely that he listens to hip-hop and enjoys bass. While I'm sure there are plenty of people with HD600s and 650s who listen primarily to hip-hop, I don't think anyone would consider thumping bass to be where the Senns shine. Agreed?
But no. Instead, you tell him that the HD6XX "Sounds great with gaming movies and music..." That's a fair observation. I would agree, in fact, that Sennheiser HD6XXs sound "really great". Again, it's just not exactly the comparison between DT880, DT990, and HE4XX that the OP was asking for.
You also say that you would "steer clear" even though you'd never heard any of the Beyers, but nowhere in your original reply (which is the subject of this brouhaha) did you say that. Quite the contrary, you said "I want a pair really bad but I can never pull the trigger." It is only in your second response that you say anything about steering clear and you say that you now have experience and "stand even more firm on steerinH Clear {sic}". But here again, you still don't say which Beyer you have experienced. Was it the DT880? DT990? 32, 250, or 600 ohm?
Lastly, let me address your assertion that "this was sll {sic} months ago and clearly irrelevant now". These products are on recurring offer from Massdrop, (much like the HD6XX and K7XX, etc.) so to excuse or otherwise suggest that your previous irrelevant advice is, well...irrelevant....is simply not true. I mean, this ridiculous thread is a great example. I received an email from Massdrop indicating that the DT880s are on offer, so I clicked through and did some looking around where I ultimately landed on this thread and read your "advice" and couldn't help but comment on its lack of relevancy. So we've come full circle. The passage of time does not make a post irrelevant. Rather, it is the post itself which determines its relevance.
I'm not sure what being a "trooper" means in the context that you called me one, but I'll take it as a compliment.
Happy listening!
Aug 14, 2018
shorkorde
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Aug 14, 2018
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MrHoneycrispI realize this is an older post by the OP, but given the recurrence of this particular drop and knowing that I've sometimes waited until a drop comes around 2-3 times before pulling the trigger myself, I thought I'd try to help:
Like the OP, I previously owned a pair of ATH-M50 headphones (note: not the M50x) for about 5-6yrs used as a daily driver for about 2-3yrs. And I currently own both the DT880 (250ohm) and HE4xx. Never tried the DT990, so I can't comment beyond what "everyone" seems to say - noting that the 990 favors a more "V"-shaped sound and the 880 is a bit more "neutral". I won't comment on other headphones here (even ones I might recommend) because I'm wordy as-is and don't need to muddy the waters any further.
Short version (and qualifying with, "for my ears personally"): I prefer the HE4xx, but use both sets quite regularly. (I mix or check mixes on the DT880 and listen to the HE4xx.)
Long version: I feel both sets have great range, but - properly driven - the HE4xx gives me a more enjoyable listening experience. That "properly driven" is a noteworthy point. I was surprised when the alleged 32ohm HE4xx required me to push amps more-or-less the same amount as my 250ohm version of the 880's. (Turns out, this has something to do with planar magnetic headphones I don't fully comprehend and will leave to more knowledgeable folks to cover.)
Regarding your not-quite-basshead-but-close status: I'm guessing you might favor the sound of the HE4xx over the 880. Both extend the bass quite well (deep), but I feel like the HE4xx has a punchier lower end that is more fun to listen to. However, since I have no idea what gear you have - or if you even use an amp at all - the 880/990 stay in the running with their 32ohm impedance versions. (Also worth noting here that I agree with @Uzuzu: HE4xx aren't uncomfortable at all, but they're definitely bulkier. Beyerdynamic headphones are just flat-out comfortable for a majority of folks and easier to maintain thanks to the easy parts replacement.)
A good way to think of the DT880 vs HE4xx: DT880 presents itself in a highly-detailed neutral manner. Useful, but maybe a little boring. HE4xx takes some of those details and emphasizes them towards a bit more of a "fun" listening experience; but without going overboard. After your ATH-M50, I'd say the bass is far closer to this on the HE4xx (at least, from my memory of the set) as far as punch goes, but the HE4xx extends down a bit further. From a technical standpoint, there's probably "more" bass frequencies hit on both 880/HE4xx and you'll get that rumble from a well-driven HE4xx for sure; but the ATH-M50 definitely emphasized it's mid/upper bass past both - giving it the "punchier" profile. If you like that quality, then I'd guess that the DT880 will leave you wanting more.
All that text, and I can't cover the DT990 from experience. Sorry about that. Best advice I have there is try to find and demo a pair. Because they are supposed to emphasize bass/treble a bit more who knows? They could be right in your wheelhouse.
So basically: Got a good DAC/Amp setup or DAP? HE4xx. Need to drive from a phone in addition to your home setup? DT880/990 32ohm. Beyer takes the win on comfort and (very likely) build quality, but I still give the edge to the HE4xx for overall sound quality (again, 990 notwithstanding).
Hope that helps. For anyone who read the text wall: good job, and please let me know if I've represented something poorly - I'll edit as needed. Thanks.
Aug 14, 2018
Aech661
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Aug 14, 2018
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fannyfoodleI don’t even know what “bait” you speak of. You started this by trying to devalue what I stated in the first place when I never claimed to be an expert of any of the headphone. I very simply compared what I know first hand, to what I’ve read. And what I’ve read is that the beyers are poorly balanced, and fatiging. I then compared that to headphones I do know I never once stated that any of them are better than any others, just stated what I would choose based on my experience and my Readings. Im basing this off of multiple credible sources. i Then made a judgement on that, which, funny thing, he would then be basing his judgement on others experience and comparisons anyway. That’s what rational consumers to. Compare what they know to what they read.
And I never saw him say anything negative about my feelings on the matter so what makes that your business anyway?
Im sure you’re one of those that just go around looking to devalue the responses of others when it doesnt even relate to you. You dont like my opinion? Move on. Don’t try to make yourself feel better by commenting on 14 week old posts that don’t matter to you.
Aug 14, 2018
Mohannad13
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Aug 14, 2018
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phoibleThe 58x is better than the 4xx ?? Relly ?
Aug 14, 2018
Aech661
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Aug 14, 2018
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fannyfoodleBut thank you for your correction. I’ll make sure to do all of my researc and never comment on anything Again. It’s too bad, I’m sure he made a poor choice based on my horrible recommendatioN. How dare I tell him what I picked and the reasoning for why I picked it. everyone on here isnt smart enough to decide on what advice they will or won’t take. It’s great they have someone like you to do that for them. Thank you.
Have a nice day
Aug 14, 2018
phoible
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Aug 14, 2018
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Mohannad13I never said the 58x was better than the 4xx. Just that it has more bass and is more "fun" sounding.
Aug 14, 2018
Aech661
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Aug 14, 2018
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phoibleI will say that the 58x did impress the shit out of me. I loved my 4xx and I still love them for a range of music and uses. I personally think that the 4xx is more fun sounding for my uses. the 58x has a lot of advantages though, they’re super light and portable, and easy to drive. even out of a phone. I cannot listen to my 4xx on anything but my jotunheim. i can’t take the 4xx out because they’re so heavy and my portable amp doesn’t do them justice.
Aug 14, 2018
Mohannad13
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Sep 23, 2018
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UzuzuNo 414 on my scale and i prefer the 990 over the 4xx for comfort aand bass
Sep 23, 2018
Mohannad13
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Sep 23, 2018
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phoibleI hate my 4xx i prefer my 6xx and dt 990
Sep 23, 2018
Aech661
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Sep 24, 2018
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Mohannad13You hate the 4xx? That’s unfortunate. They are heavy for sure. I like them for rock the most. The treble isnt as piercing at high volumes for rock I feel.
I had the emu teaks come in in July and sadly all my others have been neglectdd since. my 58x are my go to for walking the dog since I can drive them on my bluewave well and open is much better for walking the neighborhood haha
Sep 24, 2018
Mohannad13
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Sep 24, 2018
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Aech661Still 58x better than 4xx Lighter and more comfortable and cheaper and sound better
Sep 24, 2018
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