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michaelye168
12
Jun 7, 2017
Forgive me if my question has already been asked, what is the difference between this and the one marked special edition selling at ebay now for $139?
mahee
337
Jun 7, 2017
michaelye168ebay item is 250 ohm only. MD offers 600 ohm version as well ebay item has a headband that fits larger heads easily
marts_sum
316
Jun 8, 2017
michaelye168Just got those chrome ones off ebay, they're great _b
gkrr
20
Jun 8, 2017
marts_sumI also got the 250 Ohm chrome version from eBay; they require about 50 hrs. of break-in to sound their best. Excellent, very comfortable cans for $139. Much more neutral sounding than the Fostex TH-X00, but not dry sounding. The Beyer sounds best with a dedicated headphone amp; of course, most 'phones do! Come with a 3m straight captive cable.
marts_sum
316
Jun 8, 2017
gkrrDefinitely, they already sound very good. I have the HD800S too, the signatures aren't so different, quite neutral. HD800S wins on soundstage but for most genres I'm preferring the 880 . Yeah, much more comfortable than even the 770 which clamped too tight for me. 880 are nicely balanced and non-fatiguing. Also own the TH-X00 PH, great fun cans but too much bass to be my daily driver :P Using the Grace M9xx, sounds good.
JTrubs
195
Jun 8, 2017
michaelye168I believe the similar question has been asked in other threads/drops but not here. Certain words changed where applicable... Not trying to be pedantic, and cribbing some of what's been written before, but the "Special Edition Chrome/Black" versions selling for $139 at eBay, Walmart, etc, have a different headband (microfiber like on the Tesla T70/T90 series as opposed to the standard leatherette on the DT series) and there aren't model badges on the earcups. Granted, the electronics and build quality are going to be the same, but the "Premium DT880" model (especially the 250-ohm) with its regular accoutrements (headband, badging, cabling, etc.) is the most sought after version and vendors generally charge more for it than the others (~ $200 and up).
I have no skin in the game, and if you can find a better price on a set that makes you happy you should go for it, just pointing out that it is not the same exact model. Cheers!
marts_sum
316
Jun 9, 2017
JTrubsYeah, I know those parts are different. Personally I like this headband more, don't like the branding on the cups anyway :P Also prefer the all black look, so $139 is really a steal.
gkrr
20
Jun 9, 2017
marts_sumOn the Fostex TH-X00, I hardwired a six foot length of Kimber PBJ to replace the 3m captive cable. This tightened up the bass, extended the highs, and resulted in more midrange detail. The sonic change is quite staggering! Of course, it voids your warranty. Frequently, the weak link in headphones is the crappy cable. After chopping through Fostex OEM wire, you get about 26ga. cable. Kimber PBJ is 19ga. high-purity copper. The difference is not subtle! I am reluctant to replace the Beyer 880 captive cable because the sound is balanced and free of microphonics.
coolerking
164
Jun 9, 2017
marts_sumI hate to sound like a smarty-pants. After spending 25 years in the Semi-conductor industry I can tell you that the assumption; "all the electronics are the same between the two different versions" is really a weak assumption.
Realize that a company like Beyerdynamic buys their components direct, meaning they work with a dedicated sale person from the given components company, and probably have access to that companies "back-end" engineers. Or they may work with a distributer, that works for a third party, but still they have some influence on how things are done on the back end.
So even if you are smart enough and figure out the schematic and the associated passives and semi components are on a device like this headphone, and see that the devices sold via Massdrop and via Wal-mart are the same values from the same vendors, they may not be the same. Simply because a given component has multiple skews that are offered at different prices. The skews are the variants appliaed in components outgoing test. Ever single semi-conductor component you buy has been tested, probably multiple times. i don;t know about the passive components, but essentially every single component is somehow screened. So the skew is how loose or tight the test constraints are, or if the constraints are shifted one way or the other. Throw in Temperature, Source power and clocking variants into the mix of testing contraints, you have one massive matrix of different types of a single component, that all pass and work, but cost different amounts.
It is very easy for component guys to do this, because of their equipment. They use huge "Testers". For a new program I would develop the hardware that sat between the component and the test head. Write the test program to run it. Get it dialed in. And transfer it to Asia. A marketing guy typically would contact me and tell me what a customer wanted. A lot of time they wanted tighter specs. Modify the program, see how much the yield will decrease, and they would come up with a higher price. Or, marketing would say company Y wants to a cheaper part, I would look at our most recent yields and what test was failing, modify, run some tests and experiments and come back with, can they live with this parameter loosened, or getting rid of a non-critical function. Negotiate, New price for company Y with a new test program that has a higher yield. We may call the the program xxxxx.yy WM skew (WM for wal mart). This type of work, and other types is what all the engineers do at a given Semi-con company. Not everyone at Intel is the "lead designer" of the Pentium, despite what a lot of people put down as their titles :-)
Oh, and parts are typically multi sourced. What I am talking about above is just what one single component company provides. (We all know why AMD is allowed to exist by Intel, because a computing companies never wants to be in a position where they are working with a single source). A given company will also work with different electronic manufactures. They may have one of their products made in China, probably Shenzen, like Foxconn, and another more sophisticated product made in a boutique manufacturer in the US. This allows them to form a relationship with Foxconn and all the other important players. The next logical step is to have to different versions of the same product. The foxconns of the world are experts and getting the board cost, and the design manufacturing friendly. Typically the trade-off here is less excpensive vs robustness (less noise susceptible).
When I see people mention Wal-Mart I think of the following scenario. Beyer. guys fly into Arkansas, and prepare to meet with Wal-Mart with their Beyer. core compentecies presentation describing what a great company they are. Wake up from horrible night sleep at the La Quinta, find that breakfast consists of cold hard boiled eggs, sugary pastrys and bagels (the guys from Fram Oil filters took all the cream cheese), and three "contains some juice" drinks, and then drive to Wal-Mart HQ. They start their presentation, a minute into it the Wal-mart dude says "what's your current ASP, and what price are you asking of us." They tell him. He laughs, stands up walks out of the room and says "come back with a quote for $5 per headphone and we will talk, Sandy will see you out, Enjoy Arkansas." In the parking lot they call Jill from Avnet and ask her to set-up a meeing with Foxconn. They next call their admin and have her set-up flights to Shenzen-
Foxconn, Avnet and your most expensive component. rep figure out how to squeeze every f---ing penny out of your design. They all correctly assure that although this is an inferior product, people expect less when they pay less. This is true.
Does this happen with TV's and slightly less expensive products, hell yes. I remember Sony used to ever so slightly change their model number for their TVs sold via Costco. I rarely see that practice anymore, although for a product you drop over $500 on, people get more discerning.
BTW none of this illegal, or really a bad business practice. It is just transparent.
Does this happen with this particular headphone. Probably not. I am sure some aspect of it does though. If their channel includes Wal-mart then they are moving some volume, which makes it more likely. It all depends how much profit margin exists on their device, or if they have expertise in house to manage this type of stuff. They may just drop their pants when they walk into Wal-Mart.
But never assume the electronics are the same.
BTW, I worked the back-end, test and manufacturing, and in the field, technical sales with this stuff. When I worked in the core of the company, I never heard of this stuff. For one thing, you rarely work with these engineers. Plus this is hardware activity. So many of the "engineers" on these audio boards work in Software, simply there are not that many real Hardware Jobs. So this post may get a lot of, "I work for..... this does not happen."
marts_sumI got the Chromes off eBay. The build quality isn't the best but at $139 it's probably the best deal in headphones; they sound really good.
JTCPingas
90
Jun 9, 2017
BeerCanChickenDo the chromes not have good build quality? Because I had a regular DT 990 Premium at some point and the build quality felt pretty good.
marts_sum
316
Jun 9, 2017
BeerCanChickenWhat's wrong with the build quality exactly? These are the exact shells they used for the t90 special edition which was $699! Feels like a typical beyer build to me.
JTCPingasI don't think it's bad quality; they're perfectly fine and good, I don't feel like they're going to break or anything. It's just not "exceptional", they're kind of light and plastic-y feeling. But they're also not in the "exceptional" build quality pricing zone. They're comfortable and sound great
marts_sumThey just seem a little lightweight but that's a nitpick. I dont feel like they'll break and theyre extremely comfortable.
TjPhysicist
29
Jun 11, 2017
gkrrmore neutral than th-x00 really? I just bought 990 and am considering returning them. Can you convince me otherwise? I found 990 EXTREMELY sibilant to the point where i literally can't hear anything else.
JTCPingas
90
Jun 11, 2017
TjPhysicistDT 990s are uber bright. Way brighter than even HD 800s lol.
gkrr
20
Jun 11, 2017
TjPhysicistI was comparing the Beyer DT880 to the Fostex TH-X00; you are talking about the DT990! Headphones (any transducer) require about 50 hrs. of break-in to sound their best. I have not listened to the DT990 for years. Run your 990s at moderate volume for a while; they should sound smoother and more open. My 880s kept improving up to about 150 hrs. That's just the way it is!
The Fostex TH-X00 are bass heavy, hardly neutral. My cable mod (above) resulted in a more balanced presentation, but still favoring bass. Chose the the headphones that sound best to you; everybody's hearing and tastes are different.
gkrr
20
Jun 11, 2017
coolerkingYou sound like a very cynical burnt-out smarty-pants!!
JTCPingas
90
Jun 12, 2017
gkrrBreak-in is a pile of crap. You seriously believe in that? It's your ears getting used to the sound. Nothing more.
gkrr
20
Jun 12, 2017
JTCPingasTransducers require break-in; this is an industry standard phenomenon; it is not a belief system, but an observation. Of course, you are perfectly free to remain ignorant!
JTCPingas
90
Jun 12, 2017
gkrr
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So who told you it was an industry phenomenon? Jude and his legion of head-fi audio snobs?
gkrr
20
Jun 12, 2017
JTCPingasAs I said, you are free to remain skeptical and ignorant!
Uzuzu
1431
Jun 12, 2017
JTCPingasHeadphone break-in is very real. But also very not. I've always been a skeptic and have found it noticeable, and also not noticeable depending on the headphone. And every time I have personally heard a change it has been small, but very real.
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