BeachlilPlenty of good. This is a mountaineering tent that is typically not used with a vestibule. If you don't understand the intended use of this tent, then it isn't for you.
SamPittmanInfer what you want. This style of tent rarely comes with an included vestibule because most people in the market for this tent would not want it. The drop is a great value: 20% below many online prices. If you need this type of tent, you already know what it is and understand why the vestibule is not included. The complaining by uninformed people on this site has gotten out of control.
NfrischSorry, was not complaining, I like the tent, I'm looking for something new w/more room. I like a vestibule. Maybe thicker skin is needed by others. I took the original rebuff w/humility. Thank you for the schooling, ehem, gentlemen.
BeachlilAsking a question about something you don't understand is great, but what i was responding to was the conclusion you seemed to draw based on your lack of understanding: that this drop was of no value. Perhaps I misunderstood you or misinterpreted your tone – and I apologize for that.
AlusnaThe Scarp 1 is a great 4 season shelter. It is important to realize, however, that according to Shires, it is not designed for alpine environments such as those pictured in the photos posted by Danny.
SamPittmanIn both pictures, the tent is being used as a 2-man shelter. It's a tight fit, but most mountaineering tents are. "Ground" space is limited, and so it's preferable to have a smaller footprint, whereas for camping you'd rather have more space to stretch out. Weight is kept to a minimum, and all of your gear is kept in the tent or attached outside. There is no room for comfort in mountaineering :)
I've slept in this tent and it's Bibler predecessor, the Eldorado, several times on Mt. Shasta. Even when space wasn't limited, it still wasn't a big deal to squeeze two people in there. It is of course more comfortable as a one-person tent!
DannyMilksMine isn't the same but it's similar to BlackDiamond firstlight-2p. I have the Bibler eldorado, I purchased from my coworker. She took the Bibler eldorado to Himalaya mountains on her first trek. She sold it to me because she said it was necessary that she needed a bigger tent with breathing area space, room for cooking, and storage. However, she told me the tent was pleasant inside because it withstood Himalayan winds.
BeachlilYour not worried about privacy after 11k feet or higher. Although it is nice to have a vestibule for your gear and boots, you can save a lot of weight with this tent and use a pack cover to save your gear. As someone said in an earlier comment, it's about staying alive, climbing the mountain as light as possible, and making the summit hopefully.
I've slept in this tent and it's Bibler predecessor, the Eldorado, several times on Mt. Shasta. Even when space wasn't limited, it still wasn't a big deal to squeeze two people in there. It is of course more comfortable as a one-person tent!