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TheDaemon
8
Apr 26, 2016
Wow, this knife would be amazing if not for that horrible carbon (or fake carbon) stripe down the middle. Why is that there? Why would they ruin the elegance and simplicity of the handle with that? Imagine how sleek and smooth it would look if the handle was nice smooth solid curved surface.
Bobraz
2631
Apr 30, 2016
TheDaemonIt's not fake, it's a real piece of carbon fiber (according to reviews), and don't forget, you can't really call it 'horrible' and expect to be right, as this is a pure subjective assessment. Some people will love it (I do) and some will hate it...
TheDaemon
8
May 1, 2016
BobrazYep, I can. To mess up such a smooth perfect surface with a completely unnecessary stripe of carbon (i mean, what does it do there? what's the purpose of it?), that's a clear sign of kitsch and complete lack of visual design.
Bobraz
2631
May 1, 2016
TheDaemonDude, no you can't. What you write here is a design judgement that is totally subjective.
Design being subjective, per definition, anything designed for aesthetic purposes will inevitably seem desirable to some, and kitch to others. That is the nature of design, from knives, to cars, to interior decoration, etc.
I can only say this strip of carbon pleases me, and not you, and no one can declare it ugly or beautiful for all.
TheDaemon
8
May 1, 2016
BobrazNo no, I quite literally CAN say (well, actually type, but let's not get technical) that something is ugly to me. Look at me saying it again: it's ugly. Freedom of speech is a thing. And I can empathize, and put myself in someone else's shoes and understand how they might think this is good looking. I totally can. And they are wrong, and that's cool. Remember, there are people who bought Fiat Multipla, the ugliest car on the planet. Yet, someone bought it.
Bobraz
2631
May 1, 2016
TheDaemonI wholeheartedly agree with you if you say "ugly to me"... That's exactly my point... When you say "to me" you apply your own judgement about aesthetics, which is as valid as anyone else's.
But if you declare someone categorically "wrong" for finding that Fiat beautiful (I find it ugly too!), you precisely diminish your own argument about freedom of speech and judgement. Indeed, each culture and *each person* has its own set of aesthetics and some criteria of what is appealing and beautiful. However, I absolutely agree there are also some general underlying trends or choices that determine what is beautiful and pleasurable for the general population, for a society, or for a group (e.g. products found pleasing in Japan are very different than the ones found pleasing by a tribe in Africa, etc.).
In the case of the Fiat, it's more clear cut: the *general consensus* in the occidental population would be that it's not that pleasing a design; but there must be some people who found it cute looking; e.g. perhaps in foreign markets. People finding this Fiat attractive would not necessarily be wrong or right, no matter where they are or live; they are just applying their own set of criteria. (Although, I rode in one of these Fiat as a passenger once, and it was very well designed for its intended purposes. But I digress).
In the case of this knife, it's not as clear cut; it's purely a matter of personal choice. Carbon is appealing to many, many people, just look at how it is used in automotive design, as well as untold other consumer products, from pens to wallets. So I would say many people would find this knife nice, many others not, and many others would be indifferent. As I said, no clear cut general consensus can be reached on this particular knife, I suspect.
Bottom line: you (and me!) cannot be all wrong or all right when making aesthetic judgement calls; it's all in the realm of subjectivity.
Also, I'll stop this discussion here; you are either trolling me, or need to go read about Joseph Addison, Immanuel Kant, Wilhelm Wundt, Frank Sibley, The Bauhaus, and many, many more who wrote about the philosophy of art and design.
I'm buying the knife thought!