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NobodyImportant
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Aug 6, 2016
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I'd rather have the drop be for the body only. I'm sure this is a great kit, but I don't think I'll care for the 24-105mm f4L lens.
Aug 6, 2016
Tyler
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Aug 9, 2016
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NobodyImportantOf course everyone has their individual preferences, but FWIW, I got this kit about a year ago when we dropped it thinking the same thing (and that I'd sell the lens and grab the 24-70 f/2.8) but the 24-105 has proven to be a solid, reliable go-to lens for me when I'm out shooting in situations that warrant a broad range of focal lengths. Don't sleep on it!
Aug 9, 2016
EatingPancakes
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Aug 10, 2016
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TylerMost of the "better in low light" remarks generally hold true, however, what isn't taken into account is just how much you can crank the ISO and get usable files out of a FF sensor nowadays. Even in a concert environment, I could go to 3200, even 6400 and still get usable files where before on older CCD or CMOS Sensors I wouldn't dare going above 800-1600. Compounded with the fact that most people are not going to be printing these in large sizes where detail is critical for close inspection and are instead dropping them onto the web where they'll get compressed anyway, it's not an issue.
Which is why the 24-105 f/4 is nothing to sneeze at, you have a constant aperture, a lovely wide->tele lens range, IS, and durable construction. Just have to hope you have a nice copy. While an "L" lens, it's still one of the most mass produced and is still a "kit" lens. I've used some that just missed the mark a tad too much on sharpness.
Regardless, you've got a perfect walkaround lens and one of the best options for video if that tickles your fancy.
Aug 10, 2016
Tyler
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Aug 10, 2016
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EatingPancakesAgreed on all counts! Well put. I've had a great time with my 24-105 on the 6D; in fact, it rarely ever leaves my camera. Would I still love the 24-70 f/2.8? Sure. But 9 times out of 10 I find myself perfectly satisfied with the images I'm getting from this "kit lens."
Aug 10, 2016
NKMartin
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Aug 10, 2016
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EatingPancakesI love the lens snobbery Canon creates by assigning lenses the "L" label. As though any lens without it is mere cheap window glass. I have a fellow shooter that spends loads of cash on L lenses and super fast glass and then shoots at F5.6-F8 because he prefers the razor sharp look. Truth is the slower glass may be sharper at those aperture ranges. My bet is that this F4 lens is exceptional optically. A fast lens can give a photo brilliant subject to background seperation when shot wide open. Shooting in low light may not be worth the investment as High ISO capability is so good. A fast lens will focus much more accurately in low light however.
But what do I know, I'm a Nikon and Fuji X shooter...GRIN
Aug 10, 2016
Haulien
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Aug 11, 2016
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NKMartinYup. I've got a friend who refuses to use Sigma glass thinking they're inferior to Canon L lenses. While this might've been the case a few years back they've really stepped up their game with the Art and Sport lenses. Especially the oh-so-sexy 50mm f/1.4 Art that rivals even Zeiss glass for 1/4 the price.
The Canon 24-105 f/4L though.... It's certainly one of the most plentiful L lenses out there..... and I must say that compared to other L lenses it doesn't really have the build quality usually associated with them. The sigma variant (the new Art one) on the other hand feel much better built, though lacks weather-resistance. It's just a tad sharper and quieter when using AF though the Canon is faster.... though the canon can be had for considerably cheaper if you don't have any problems with a white box variant (or second hand).
In saying that not all L lenses are snakeoil. The Canon 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II is sharper, and has faster/quieter AF than any of the Sigma/Tamron/Nikon variants, and flogs image quality compared to any of the f/4 variants. It's also one of the best built lenses I've ever used bar none.... it's the Nokia of camera lenses. If it's worth almost double the price though, is another question.
Aug 11, 2016
rbrjr1
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Aug 11, 2016
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TylerThe 24-70 2.8L II is also about $1000 more than the 24-105 4L, so it's not really a fair comparison of "kit lenses".
Aug 11, 2016
Tyler
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Aug 11, 2016
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rbrjr1@rbrjr1 Oh absolutely! I guess my point was more or less that the 24-105 4L has proven to be a solid lens that holds its own for me despite often getting the "kit lens" label. I think I originally thought I'd just quickly pawn it off and jump on the 24-70 2.8L II but I've been happy enough so far. Cheers!
Aug 11, 2016
NKMartin
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Aug 11, 2016
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HaulienTotal agreement on the Sigma Art lenses! The 35mm F1.4 and 50mm F1.4 Art lenses kill Canon and Nikon equivalent glass. I have All the Nikon fast glass that I want 13 lenses Including some of the sharpest lenses ever tested by DXO labs like the Nikon 200mm F2.0, Nikon 105mm Micro F2.8, Nikon 85mm F1.4G. I have shot against the best Canon glass and it is very good but very rarely pushes Nikon aside (No winning this argument with Canon fans). My Fuji X system is the big surprise. I would put many of my Fuji lenses up against anything made from Canon/Nikon/Sony/Sigma/Leica...sorry Tamron/Tokina need not apply (yes I have shot with them, many of them over the years)
The BIG three F2.8 zooms of Nikon and Canon are all Metal/magnesium construction and Nikon are weather and dust sealed, I will assume the Canons are as well. Truth is the lens most recently redesigned will inch out the other brand by 5-10% at max. That said if I shoot a D810 36 MP body against a 5D Miii 23 MP, Nikon wins the sharpness and detail war with most lens. Phase One 50 MP kills them both. New 5D SR 50 MP is not looking great in reviews but I have no personal experience with them.
This is all camera fun geek speak. You can't go wrong with Nikon and Canon DSLR systems, or Sony, Fuji X and M3/4 Mirrorless systems. All great gear and ready for a creative eye to take a brilliant photo. The gear will not make a photographer.
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Aug 11, 2016
iamartsy
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Aug 15, 2016
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NKMartinIs there a wide angle lens you would recommend? I'm getting the sigma as well 35mm but I need wide angle one for overal architectural shoots :)
Aug 15, 2016
NKMartin
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Aug 15, 2016
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iamartsyLove to talk about wide angles. Just a few details are needed for a recommendation. Are you shooting full or crop sensor and what camera? I can only assume Canon from this thread. With architecture the need for speed is not important. Sharp glass with no distortion will be a good candidate for a lens. Mount your camera on a tripod and remote release. You can use software to correct shift and tilt function.
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Aug 15, 2016
iamartsy
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Sep 13, 2016
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NKMartinThese images are amazing! It's for the 6D drop I just purchased. I was looking to get maybe the 30mm sigma for now for portraits but another wide angle so small rooms can look bigger and I can capture specifically houses in crisp beautiful tones. And yes eventually I would love to get a tilt shift lens but that's years down the road. What lens would you recommend for wide angle?
Sep 13, 2016
NKMartin
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Sep 13, 2016
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iamartsyThe 35mm F1.4 Sigma Art lens is outstanding. May be the best general purpose lens as it is a mild wide angle close to the way humans see, including peripheral vission. When taking portraits think about your distance to the subject. 8 feet is a great working distance. A 35 will be close to full body. Head shots are 135mm and bust is 85mm. Those focal lengths will give good compression and if they are fast apertures will blur the background. I really like the 24mm F1.4 for a great interior and exterior wide working lens. I have the Nikon but Sigma or Canon will have you covered with quality glass.
Sep 13, 2016
NKMartin
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Sep 13, 2016
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iamartsyShot with a Nikon 24mm F1.4
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Sep 13, 2016
iamartsy
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Sep 13, 2016
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NKMartinThose are awesome! Thanks so much. Can't wait to get the sigma. The 85mm lens drop currently on this site has me drooling! but I just spend that much on the camera lens kit, so not sure I can really afford both for now. eeek. Really appreciate the advice!
Sep 13, 2016
w00m
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Oct 3, 2016
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iamartsyOn Canon FF; my favorite lens (after fiddling with a bunch of options) is the 16-35 f/4L. The IS is deceptively useful. On Crop; Tokina 11-16 f/2.8 is glorious. Only lens I haven't played with that may shift my preferences would be the new 16-35 f/2.8 II. I don't generally care about the 2.8 though.
Oct 3, 2016
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