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LarryT
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Dec 3, 2017
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If you’re going to spend anywhere near $3,000 on a professional full frame camera, you’d have to be crazy not to look long and hard at the new Sony a7rIII. Unless you plan on dying as a Canon shooter, that camera is absolutely the best way forward.
Dissenter
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Dec 3, 2017
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LarryTIf you are like me or anyone else that's been shooting with professional glass for more than 2 years, you're collection of lenses is worth way more than any body. That's why people stay loyal. It's cost prohibitive to change over $10k or more worth of equipment especially for something as flaky as Sony. The only reason they have anything descent right now is because they have finally integrated the Alpha technology they bought from Konica Minolta many years ago. They aren't going to innovate though. Sony hasn't done anything innovative in a really long time, so no, I may not die a Canon shooter, but that definitely doesn't mean I'm buying a Sony.
LarryT
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Dec 3, 2017
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DissenterNo offense, but I don’t think you’ve been paying much attention to the camera market lately. The a7rIII is capable of an incredible amount of features that no other camera maker can touch right now. The a7rII was a giant leap forward, and still a great camera, but the a7rIII is Sony’s first true all-arounder that can compete on every level.
My a6300 (which is less advanced than the a7rIII) auto focuses all my Canon lenses really quite well, and I know many people that happily use their Canon glass on the latest Sony mirrorless cameras.
it also have in-body 5 axis stabilization, now effective up to 5.5EV. This adds stabilization to lenses like Canon’s 24-70mm f/2.8 II. It shoots incredible 4K in both S35 mode (smart sampling from 15mp to 8.8 (4K) and full frame mode. It’s AF is super fast, it shoots at 10fps with the shutter (which has the least shock of any FF camera).
It’s 42mp sensor is the best sensor you can get in a camera until you shoot medium format. (The D850 is about even with its 46MP sensor—and it’s a great camera too, but it’s still firmly in the large, optical viewfinder DSLR world.)
I feel I’m pretty brand agnostic, owning lenses from almost all manufacturers and mounts. I’ve owned all the big brands and all formats too. Wasn’t trying to bash Canon, but what the Sony achieves right now, is so far ahead of Canon, that at $3K, the 5D IV looks simply not capable of very much in comparison (features or image quality). I know some Canon shooters are fine with that, and that’s fine with me, too. But for those not thoroughly entrenched in a world of Canon glass, I‘d Have a hard time recommending their cameras right now. Maybe in the future if they release a proper mirrorless camera and mount for FF.
My a6300 (which is less advanced than the a7rIII) auto focuses all my Canon lenses really quite well, and I know many people that happily use their Canon glass on the latest Sony mirrorless cameras.
it also have in-body 5 axis stabilization, now effective up to 5.5EV. This adds stabilization to lenses like Canon’s 24-70mm f/2.8 II. It shoots incredible 4K in both S35 mode (smart sampling from 15mp to 8.8 (4K) and full frame mode. It’s AF is super fast, it shoots at 10fps with the shutter (which has the least shock of any FF camera).
It’s 42mp sensor is the best sensor you can get in a camera until you shoot medium format. (The D850 is about even with its 46MP sensor—and it’s a great camera too, but it’s still firmly in the large, optical viewfinder DSLR world.)
I feel I’m pretty brand agnostic, owning lenses from almost all manufacturers and mounts. I’ve owned all the big brands and all formats too. Wasn’t trying to bash Canon, but what the Sony achieves right now, is so far ahead of Canon, that at $3K, the 5D IV looks simply not capable of very much in comparison (features or image quality). I know some Canon shooters are fine with that, and that’s fine with me, too. But for those not thoroughly entrenched in a world of Canon glass, I‘d Have a hard time recommending their cameras right now. Maybe in the future if they release a proper mirrorless camera and mount for FF.
agni
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Dec 4, 2017
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LarryTUnless you need to print huge there is no need for A7RII/A7RIII/5DS/5DSR/D850 level of resolution. For any portrait or landscape shoot the 5DMkIII still holds good. I have been using a 1DMkIV for over 5 years now, while it cannot compete in resolution it still beats many in blazing AF, ruggedness, usability, awesome battery life and perfect menu system. Also yeah the images are still awesome even though it is not FF.
lastzero
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Dec 6, 2017
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DissenterDo keep in mind that not everyone has invested in all their gear. I haven't for native FF (I just use manual focus lens and I'd do Sony over Canon in a heartbeat. The only DSLR brand I'd do is Nikon since this, the 77D and 6DII aren't compelling, just the usual upgrades. Canon has no answer for the older D750 nor the D850 and 5DIV isn't drawing as much attention as either. Then again Canon is known for stable release so I don't mind that.
It just depends on your ends. Canikon are beefier cameras that do their job fine but not everyone wants to haul big camera gear everywhere. They serve different uses which you are omitting. I may not die as a Sony/Nikon shooter but that definitely doesn't mean I'm buying a Canon. Afterall innovation isn't Canon's strong point but stable releases which you are omitting.
It just depends on your ends. Canikon are beefier cameras that do their job fine but not everyone wants to haul big camera gear everywhere. They serve different uses which you are omitting. I may not die as a Sony/Nikon shooter but that definitely doesn't mean I'm buying a Canon. Afterall innovation isn't Canon's strong point but stable releases which you are omitting.
lastzero
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Dec 6, 2017
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agniI've seen people running with D3/D300s. If you love your gear and use it well and find it's what it does then you have no reason to upgrade. Honestly I'm happy with my Sony a6300 and have no problems. I do want an FF body for the UWA and removing the "crop" factor but it's not dire and I'm sure in a few iterations, Sony will fix more bugs.
Dissenter
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Dec 7, 2017
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lastzeroThen you weren’t who I was talking about LOL I specifically said people shooting with professional glass for over 2 years. If your still shooting on crop frame cameras with those cheaper lenses, making a change is easy. If you are shooting FF for a while, you have to invest in an eco system. That was my only point. Well that and the fact that Sony’s good side came from Konica Minolta, which no one disputes including Sony.
lastzero
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Dec 7, 2017
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DissenterI would add one counterpoint, which is that no one loved the Minolta Hot Shoe. That is by far, the most POS thing Sony has adopted. Change is easy but you still have to take some loss no matter what. Just less. The other point is that assuming you buy third party, they may have said third party switch it for you for cheaper. Doesn't mean much for first party.
Dissenter
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Dec 7, 2017
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lastzeroGood point about the hot shoe. I had to change eco systems a while back because Olympus basically stopped making pro gear. It was painful which is why my perspective leans that way.
chris.yw
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Jan 26, 2018
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LarryTI have been shooting all major brands. Then 5div makes me stop lusting new gear other than the mirrorless Canon going to release.
Calaverasgrande
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Aug 31, 2018
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LarryTOr check out the Fuji X series. I'm really excited to see what the new XT-3 will look like.
Those Fuji APSC sensors smoke many full frames.
agni
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Sep 1, 2018
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CalaverasgrandeI'm also interested in the Fuji X system particularly because it provides a proper trade off between overall size/weight and image quality. I just hope they include a bigger battery, faster card format and dual slots & also better High ISO performance.
agni
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Sep 1, 2018
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RayF@RayF Hahaha! I don't know what blasphemy you saw there. But do note there are always trade offs otherwise everyone would have got a 1DXII. Budget, size/weight, image quality, dual card slots etc. etc. lot of things to consider; some things matter more to you than others. Lots of people are getting stellar landscape shots out of their Fuji X system.
Nikon came out with their Z system and there are rumors that Canon is coming out with their own R mount mirrorless. So more options for us consumers.
Nikon came out with their Z system and there are rumors that Canon is coming out with their own R mount mirrorless. So more options for us consumers.
RayF
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Sep 1, 2018
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agniMirrorless cameras be damned! They are cheaper to produce and represent no savings/value to the consumer, only to the manufacturer (Fake cameras--sad!).
That said, you'd be a fool to buy a first generation of any "new" camera. And of course you are also wrong about the "everyone would have" camera--that would be a D850, already tried and proven to have the better image quality, not a 1DXII. Remember: real men, use real cameras!
That said, you'd be a fool to buy a first generation of any "new" camera. And of course you are also wrong about the "everyone would have" camera--that would be a D850, already tried and proven to have the better image quality, not a 1DXII. Remember: real men, use real cameras!
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