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YanboWu
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Hey everyone,
Welcome to the latest edition of the keycap re-cap series. This one will run like the previous drop. We will initially allow each person to purchase up to 2 kits on 9/26 at 6:00 a.m. PT. At around noon PT, I will open up the drop for additional kits to be added to the same order.
If you do not want to be double charged for shipping, please make sure to wait and add more kits to your order instead of placing another order.
Here is a list of what will be available starting tomorrow GMK Mint Dolch - Base Kit + Extra Kit available GMK Laser - Cyberdeck (Base Kit) + most child kits available GMK Red Samurai - Base Set + most child kits available XDA Canvas Round 1 - Limited Alphas / Betas available + limited child kits MT3 /dev/tty Round 1 - Base Alphas + limited child kits available DSA 2077 - Limited base + child kits available DSA Legacy - Black / Rush / Zambloos alphas + most child kits in limited quantities available. SA Oblivion - Alphas + Child kits available in limited quantities SA Carbon - Alphas + Child kits available in limited quantities
There are also some one offs and other keycaps - those are in super limited quantities and I will not be listing them out here.
9/24 EDIT: It appears I've made a mistake with the DSA Lightcycle keycaps. These will not be available for this keycap re-cap.
9/26 EDIT: I've opened up the drop for 2 additional kits per user. We will open it up for 2 additional orders at 6:30 p.m. PT today.
Each user can now add up to 6 kits in their carts. I will open it up to 10 kits at around noon on 9/26 - no new inventory will be added.
9/27 EDIT: Hey everyone, I've opened it up to 10 kits per user. I'll keep monitoring these threads - I will open it up to 15 kits per user tomorrow on 9/28 at around noon. Sorry I was a little late today!
9/28 EDIT: Opened it up to 15 kits per user.
Sep 24, 2018
TaiSHi
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YanboWuAny DSC swinging around?
Sep 24, 2018
Gati
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YanboWuI know that you can’t comment on the amount available, but do you expect any of those listed to last more than half a minute?
Sep 24, 2018
Otircam
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Sep 24, 2018
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YanboWuAny Gaijin kits up for grabs? Or would we have to wait till they do a rerun? Need optimal CyperPunk aesthetics on my Ducky YOTM
Sep 24, 2018
YanboWu
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I don't think your comment was deleted? In any case, it's hard to predict how fast certain kits go out - for any that I said had limited quantities, you probably won't be seeing those after the initial rush.
Best advice is to still be here and ready at 6:00 a.m. as desirable kits to disappear fast.
Sep 24, 2018
Gati
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YanboWuSorry ‘bout that Yanbo. My comment said “this comment is now unavailable“ and now its back I guess... Last drop I managed to catch a full set of XDA godspeed, and I heard that GMK naut was swiped by bots in under 10 secs, let’s hope they all go for laser!
Sep 24, 2018
YanboWu
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GatiNo worries! I hope there aren't any bots - that's partially why these drops are limited in quantity in the beginning. Hopefully you'll get a chance to grab what you need!
Sep 24, 2018
dantambok
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Sep 24, 2018
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YanboWumy order from the red samurai drop has not arrived yet and it’s already on the recap. Errr will you still have extras for replacement in case my initial order is/gets lost?
Sep 24, 2018
YanboWu
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Sep 25, 2018
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dantambokYes units are also set aside for potential issues.
Sep 25, 2018
EtherealSound
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YanboWuAre there any /dev/tty WKL kits available?
Sep 25, 2018
Nothatso
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Sep 25, 2018
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YanboWu" We will initially allow each person to purchase up to 2 kits on 9/26 at 6:00 a.m. PT. At around noon PT, I will open up the drop for additional kits to be added to the same order. "
RIP To my hopes and dreams of outfitting a 96 key with SA Oblivion
Sep 25, 2018
dantambok
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YanboWuCool. Thanks!
Sep 25, 2018
Vertexe
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NothatsoYou can always make a separate account...
Sep 25, 2018
Nothatso
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VertexeI'm aware, but I figured that's the kind of thing they'd frown upon since they're limiting kit purchases early specifically so a few individuals/bots can't buy everything up immediately.
Sep 25, 2018
ackzot
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YanboWuFor the XDA Canvas Round 1, the current Massdrop page for XDA Canvas has the Round 2 kits. Is there any information to see the Round 1 kits as it is my understanding the Round 1 and Round 2 kits are a little different?
Sep 25, 2018
Lefibonacci
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YanboWu@YanboWu Won't trying to wait until noon, with the 6AM caps in my cart, present risk of the set I want at 6am being sold out in that time period?
Sep 25, 2018
jrfhoutx
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LefibonacciI think you're misunderstanding what he means, you place and finalize your order at 6am PT. At noon they will let unblock people from ordering more than just the two kits, at that time you can order whatever else that you want that's available and they'll just add it to your earlier order. You don't just put items in your cart and leave them there for later, you actually make the purchase, then make another one later, then they combine them.
Sep 25, 2018
Brettarrows
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YanboWuBy 2 kits, do you mean base kit + child kit? or 2 different sets and their respective child kits?
Sep 25, 2018
sevenseacat
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Brettarrows2 kits meaning base and one child kit, if that's how the kits for that set are divided up.
Sep 25, 2018
Lefibonacci
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jrfhoutxYou're right. And, I suppose that MD doesn't technically have a "shopping cart" in the traditional sense. Thanks for clarifying.
Sep 25, 2018
HerpDerpenberg
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YanboWuJust want to double check, it is MT3 /dev/tty R1? I know R2 just got sent out, so I would think that the extras would be from that drop and not the old R1
Sep 25, 2018
JPF_3
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YanboWuI need alphas, mods, and numpad. If I can only purchase 2/3 initially, what happens if everything else sells out before noon? This purchasing method doesn't work for folks with full keyboards! Should be extended to 3 kits max at 6am.
Sep 25, 2018
pakji
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YanboWuHELLO IS IT R1 OR R2 /DEV/TTY ?
Sep 25, 2018
sevenseacat
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JPF_3It's always worked like this, and yes it doesn't work for most people. Put in two orders.
Sep 25, 2018
Gati
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ackzotThe“betas” kit has a different font. You can see the old ones here- https://mitormk.com/canvas-xda-round-1/
Sep 25, 2018
YanboWu
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HerpDerpenbergOh yeah, both the MT3 and Canvas were from round 1 - it's noted when you guys can actually join the drop.
Sep 25, 2018
ackzot
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GatiI know of the font difference, but there is a difference in the kits. For example r1 base kit has the Function keys, r2 moved the Function keys to text mods. bauhaus mods have 23 keycaps in r1, but 26 in r1. I think there are some other differences, but can’t seem to find resources on it. MiTo’s page does mention the r2 kits were streamlined.
Sep 25, 2018
JPF_3
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sevenseacatAnd double the cost of shipping? No thank you. If I order two kits at 6am, and the third is sold out by noon, can I cancel the existing order without incurring any fees? That's the only sensible option given my predicament.
Sep 25, 2018
HerpDerpenberg
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ackzotMy biggest thing is the r1 /dev/tty had alignment issues and as much as I love the set, I'd probably end up staying away from it and wait for r2 recap.
Sep 25, 2018
Lefibonacci
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JPF_3@YanboWu This user is totally correct. I'm having the same concerns for a clueboard.
Sep 25, 2018
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JPF_3Yes you can cancel without fees. You won't get hit with double shipping charges because you're really adding kits to your existing order.
Sep 26, 2018
D3LTA
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YanboWuAfter we're allowed to order more than 2 kits, how do we add additional kits to the original order?
Sep 26, 2018
Kbdnewbie
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D3LTAThere will be a button on your transaction on transactions page "add another order" or "edit order." Can't remember which, but I'm sure you can figure it out when the time comes!
Sep 26, 2018
Lefibonacci
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KbdnewbieThanks! Does that sound right @YanboWu ?
Sep 26, 2018
HerpDerpenberg
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LefibonacciThat's how it works. They will make a post when they open up to more orders and you should see an "add another order" button in your transactions tab. Right now, you are still locked at 2, so you can only edit your existing orders.
Sep 26, 2018
Lefibonacci
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HerpDerpenbergOkay. I'll rest easy. Thanks for the affirmation.
Sep 26, 2018
JJ88
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YanboWuYou guys really need to figure out a better UI when trying to join the drop...making people scroll through a single drop down menu of over 100 choices is ridiculous. You really ought to categorize them so I don't have to spend all this time scrolling looking for something.
Sep 26, 2018
Lefibonacci
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JJ88I was discussing that with somebody already. I agree. I think that a good option might be to have just the generalized names of the kits, if that is possible - as in "Red Samurai" or "GMK Laser" - and then when we click on them their sub-sets are expanded upon like a directory. Maybe slightly larger photos would be nice also. Just a thought. I know this shit isn't easy on the backend.
Sep 26, 2018
discrete_boba
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YanboWuwould love to order some laser sets but i can't even make one complete keycap set with the limit of 2 items 😡
Sep 26, 2018
sevenseacat
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discrete_bobawell in about 15 minutes that limit will be raised, so there you go.
Sep 26, 2018
Lefibonacci
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sevenseacaterm I think it's about three hours and 15 minutes, no?
Sep 26, 2018
Nothatso
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sevenseacatIt's raised at noon PST, not EST/EDT
Sep 26, 2018
Lefibonacci
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discrete_bobaI was able to create a full set :p get creative.
Sep 26, 2018
sevenseacat
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Lefibonaccioh, I goofed with my timezones. Welp, not staying up until 3am then, going to bed :D
Sep 26, 2018
grizzly_teddy1
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YanboWuSo to be clear, at noon pacific time, I will be able to add more to my order? How many more?
Sep 26, 2018
Lefibonacci
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sevenseacatAwh. Haha. That sucks! Just grab a cup of tea or something. You got this.
Sep 26, 2018
rumlyne
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YanboWuNo norde sets? :(
Sep 26, 2018
ba_rd
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YanboWu and stuff what I need is already sold out - beige winkeyless - anyone has a spare set? :P thanks to MD!
Sep 26, 2018
control
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YanboWuI've been scouring r/mm for a DSA Miami Dolch Homing kit for several months now. Also wished I had gotten a TKL kit.
FINALLY! Now I managed to score them both! Especially the homing keys proved almost impossible to get hold of.
(Only lacking the Ergodox kit, the VE.A bars and the 6u spacebar now.)
Sep 26, 2018
Lefibonacci
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controlHow I feel about Laser. I've heard rumors of Laser showing in MM a couple of times and being claimed in seconds.
Sep 26, 2018
Rayndalf
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LefibonacciFor once waking up early actually paid off, but I was a couple dollars short of the laser base kit. All of laser was around when I checked, but I was a couple dollars short of the base kit
Sep 26, 2018
Lefibonacci
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RayndalfLiterally a "couple?" Were you able to get anything?
Sep 26, 2018
Rayndalf
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Lefibonacci$138.64 out of the $139.99 it cost. I just bought 2 Mitowaves sets instead so I can be some tool on mechmarket trying for 200% msrp or something. I can't really complain though, I use a Kinesis anyway... at least its an older model with doubleshot DCS
Sep 26, 2018
GerritGerrit
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YanboWuHow will we know when we can order more? You just say "around" noon.
Sep 26, 2018
YanboWu
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GerritGerritI'll make a post here and I'll also make an edit on the top as well letting people know. It should happen in about 40 minutes from this posting (noon P.T.)
Sep 26, 2018
Lefibonacci
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RayndalfI mean, I could spot you $2.00 if we have a safe way to do that. Lol.
Sep 26, 2018
jkaos92
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YanboWuSo to make it clear, there will be more kits in 7 minutes?
Also if i buy kits now (right now) can i add later to my order?
Sep 26, 2018
montydrei
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jkaos92Yes and yes. I believe that is the way it works.
Four minutes now!
Sep 26, 2018
mxgzelda
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montydreithere won't be more kits, you will just be allowed to buy more kits from what's left.
Sep 26, 2018
jkaos92
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mxgzeldalmfao that's really bad
Sep 26, 2018
dilkROM
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YanboWuWhy can we only add 2 more options now? When is this drop going to allow regular purchases? I'm sorry but I find this an incredibly unproductive and frustrating way to operate. People are simply cheating the system anyway, so what's the point here?
Sep 26, 2018
jkaos92
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YanboWuso, will new kits be added or nah?
Sep 26, 2018
Lefibonacci
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dilkROMHow are they cheating it anyway?
Sep 26, 2018
YanboWu
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dilkROM@dilkROM not sure I understand this question - there are limited quantities of inventory we have on hand - if we had allowed for open buying, there is an even lower chance of people getting what they want.
@jkaos92 no new kits will be added since they were all added at the very beginning of the drop. What we are doing is opening up the ability to purchase more kits - this allows people to fill out their keyboard with not as popular kits like DVORAK or homing kits.
Sep 26, 2018
dilkROM
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LefibonacciI know various people who have a friend, family member or colleague buy for them or simply make additional accounts on MassDrop themself. If the point of limiting our purchases is to make things more fair it's not working when those that want to spend the effort to circumvent it can. It's a broken system.
Sep 26, 2018
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dilkROMis this your first recap drop? they do this thru the course of the day to give people a chance to buy. at some point they will open it up without limits--i think last time it was the end of the day.
i agree that this is frustrating when you are trying to put together a set with a lot of child kits--like /dev/tty where the alphas and mods are in separate kits. it's less of an issue when there is 1 giant base kit like laser or red samurai, but even then you may want more than 1 child kit.
i don't think these recaps are really setup for people to build a set from scratch, but more for people trying to grab child sets, but even then it's a scramble because there are so few child sets that a lot of people end up disappointed.
this time i got lucky since i wanted to round out a laser set, and those were in good supply.
my only advice is to keep adding to your order and hope that what you need is still left at the end of the day. they won't charge until the drop ends on the 1st so you can always cancel if you can't complete your set.
Sep 26, 2018
jkaos92
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LefibonacciMultiple accounts i guess, which could work for US people. Apart this, since i don't care about anyone trying to cheat the system, as always the system designed by Massdrop is not good at all.
How am i supposed to pick a full set or even a set to just cover one of my keyboards when there is a drop splitted in a ton of kits (e.g. Carbon, Oblivion SA). I had to buy AT LEAST 4 kits to cover one of my keyboards, but no there is a funny limit of 2 blocking you. Nice joke and thanks for wasting my time MD.
Sep 26, 2018
dilkROM
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YanboWuWhat don't you understand? Earlier you allowed us to buy 2 items. Now you allow us to buy 4 items. When is there no limit? It's super bizarre.
I get your goal but I think you aren't really doing it in an effective way. If you limited everyone to 1 or 2 base sets and then 1 single copy of each item it would prove much more effective. There are many communities that have already solved this problem, in fact in the keyboard community (to which I am admittedly new) this is also already solved in the case of raffles etc.
The main reason this system is broken is that you're selling items that make no sense in 2's, in many cases. If I am trying to buy a base kit plus novelties and mods, it's really hard. This is simply frustrating. And I can only speak for myself, but that case is much more frustrating then missing things altogether and having them be sold out. But that's just me. Because I waste my time waiting for the first release, then the second, and don't end having what I try to order anyway. Would rather just check and see sold out and move on.
Sep 26, 2018
dilkROM
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mxgzeldaYup, it is my first recap drop. Very lame experience considering how exciting the drop looked at first.
Thank you for the info. It helps. I still think there are a variety of better ways to run things.
I am adding to my order, as you described. Just don't get why we are limited, again...
Sep 26, 2018
Lefibonacci
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dilkROMTrust me when I say that this greatly helps discourage and prevent botnets and situations exactly like what you described from purchasing everything in a matter of minutes or seconds. Not only does additional shipping costs from numerous accounts decrease profit margins, but it also requires the time or resources to have multiple accounts at your disposal. Or, the technical prowess to create or acquire a bot(net.)
If MassDrop didn't follow this practice, I am fairly confident there wouldn't even be any kits/sets remaining for purchase at this point.
Sep 26, 2018
dilkROM
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LefibonacciFair enough. I am open enough to admit I don't know of all the factors but I am aware enough to say there is not only one way of doing something and I can only speak for myself when I say I would rather see "sold out" immediately then spend 12 hours hoping to get a half set scattered among multiple order updates. That just makes no sense to me. So while it may suffice to squash some bots it also creates a bad user / consumer experience. If it was up to me, I would try far harder to sort that out, simply to be a rad platform for the buyer.
With that, let's just leave it. It frustrates me but I don't want to spread negativity. I've given my thoughts (multiple times now) so I'll keep trying to update my order and in the future perhaps I'll be better educated about such drops so as not to get my hopes up or to perhaps act differently with them.
Sep 26, 2018
Sinji
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dilkROMI disagree. If we let the cheaters have more freedom ie unlimited buys, the chances for honest buyers to get a set would be extremely low. The limitation functions as a gatekeeper. What do you suggest they do? 4 slots is enough to get a complete set for this limited redrop. Your entitlement is misplaced imo.
Sep 26, 2018
DogeAmaze
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YanboWuAre the dev/tty small blacks from the first or second round? Asking because the pic on the order page shows the homing dot key, which was not available in the first round.
Sep 26, 2018
Lefibonacci
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dilkROMI mean, I could respect your opinion on this as the matter is subjective. Truthfully, I enjoyed this being an all day thing as it made it feel like a significant event and something fun to do to reward myself. I've been discussing this drop and it's contents with numerous people across a variety of platforms today and it has been quite memorable experience.
Sep 26, 2018
YanboWu
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dilkROMYour thoughts are definitely considered and I appreciate the way you are sharing your thoughts.
When this drop first started, it was definitely more aimed at group buy joiners that have updated their various keyboards and need more one off child kits to complete the coverage. It's definitely grown from that to something a bit more.
We've tried a few different systems previously and so far this seems to be the smoothest. One thing we really do want to avoid is bots picking up all the kits to sell on the secondary market after.
There is a little bit of checking back and forth with this system - but one of the things that happen is people will edit the kits in their cart based on what's available. At times that means you'll get to pickup a kit you really want and someone else discarded.
Of course the best way to absolutely ensure you get all the kits you want at the best price is to join the group buys.
Sep 26, 2018
mxgzelda
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dilkROMno, i totally agree with you. at first you get excited that you *might* have the opportunity to grab a set that you missed out on. i think the laser GB closed nearly a year ago and may never be run again. or you get excited because some drops were really under bought like DSA2077 which only sold like 250 kits.
but then you login and all the kits disappear so fast--there were less then 20 of most of the DSA2077 options, or you have a non TKL layout and the keys you need are spread out across 3-4 kits and now you have to worry that it will sell out before you can add them all.
unfortunately this is just the way it is since all these kits are bought thru GB and after they are made only once so its a supply and demand issue. i'm not up to date on all prices, but even with the shipping, markups etc, you are more likely to pick something thru recap then finding it second-hand and for less.
for me, this go around i wanted laser, so i was lucky because those sets had decent numbers. but if i wanted SA Carbon or Red Samurai, then i would've been out of luck.
i wish there were less limits on the child kits, but then you have people buying kits for resale or you have an even madder rush at the start. i don't know a better way, and i'm not sure that MD really want to solve it because they still end up selling thru most of this stock even with the system as it is now!
Sep 26, 2018
dilkROM
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SinjiAlso fair enough. Perhaps I overlook something. My experience (as I've noted above) in other communities is that this is not a new problem. And I've never seen this solution to it before. (I've seen other ones which were not as frustrating.) For me, 2 slots and then 2 more hours later wasn't enough to get a full set of anything. But maybe I am lacking knowledge. Also, being new to the community and thus not knowing what a rare set is or not makes it incredibly hard to buy what I'm looking to buy. I would also suggest that the important information about the drop would be better suited for the description but I am getting used to the fact that it's wise to check the discussion of each drop before it launches or before joining.
Anyways, if I project misplaced entitlement then I apologize for it. I have stated a couple of times I don't intend to bring bad vibes and I try to catch myself when I feel my comments reach that point. If it's not appropriate to express frustration with a system on here then I won't. From what I've seen though, it appears that MassDrop comments are used for providing feedback and learning what's going on behind the scenes.
Sep 26, 2018
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YanboWuNo bueno. No bueno at all
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HerpDerpenberg
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LefibonacciThere is not significant resources to have multiple accounts. Just opening up several browsers is all you need. There's no need for bots to do that. Everyone who's legit trying to buy what they want with one account is behind the curve to anyone who knows how to get around the 2 kit limit at the start.
Sep 26, 2018
Sinji
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dilkROMThat's very fair. I have a slot open if you need something. But I'm located in the Netherlands though..
Sep 26, 2018
dilkROM
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YanboWuThanks for the reply here.
I get and see that it has evolved. I can respect that.
You are the second person to mention bots. What I don't understand is that the "don't let bots do X" is a "solved" problem online. Or at least, in some instances. I won't pretend to know all the solutions, but can't you just put a CAPTCHA on the purchasing? I mean, how do you prevent MassDrop accounts from being created by bots in the first place? If you do, apply that tech here?
I guess I am just a skeptic and have a hard time believing this is the best solution. But I am aware enough to admit that you've likely been fighting the problem for a long time with much much smarter people than me trying to solve it. In that case, I would say the next best solution is clearer communication. Unless, of course, recap is meant to be an "insider" thing, which I can respect also. But for someone who is gradually getting into mechanical keyboards more and more (and not in a hyped way, either, in an honestly interested way) having this drop experience really pushes me away from the community. Which, I think, is a shame.
With all that said, I want to reiterate my respect for the fact that there is a recap and a chance for me to join group buys that I missed (and this explains why I couldn't join them, because I didn't know of them at the time).
Thanks for discussing it all.
But beyond the discussion, I think you still did not answer my question: most importantly when can I add more items to my order? I am still not at my complete order yet! ;)
Sep 26, 2018
seibabreggin
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YanboWuAny chance we can add two more kits after 12 PT? If so, do you know around what time?
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jkaos92
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YanboWuProblem is, if later you give the possibility to add more than 2 kits and delete or mix what you previously joined, the whole system becomes pointless.
No complains about the extra price at all, but please make a smoother system... Also remember, there is a whole world outside the United States and you are prioritizing who could eventually ship multiple times and not pay extra custom fees on each package, so of course i won't join in for 2 kits and hope that after 6 hours there are still the other kits that i need to complete my order
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dilkROM
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mxgzeldaI'm just curious: if those sets have such a high demand isn't it likely a new group buy (reprint) would succeed? I realize this would lower their value and hype level so perhaps not be good for business but that doesn't seem too community-driven anyway... does MassDrop ever offer drops that only go through if a certain number of people order? I am aware I may be asking incredibly naive questions here, but hey, that's how you learn! :D
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HerpDerpenbergSo based on what you're saying MassDrop's entire system is broken. How does this make any sense then?
I will admit, this comment thread is entirely confusing. Many people defend this system, saying how it makes things more fair. But what you say is that MassDrop will gladly ship orders far over the limits to the same address as long as they are done with separate accounts.
So how is this preventing reselling or bots then? Can't resellers simply have many accounts registered and use bots with them?
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dilkROMThey could, but the production capability of the companies (SA and GMK) just have insane 6+ month long lead times to produce sets. Even if you were ready now to do a group buy on a keycap set, you still have another queue to get in just to be the one to put your order in. Just based on how often we see reissues of keycap sets, you're talking at least a year between releases and likely longer.
If the production capability was there, we'd be getting lower prices on keycaps and in stock sets. No need to wait 6 months for sets.
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SinjiAh, super nice of you, thank you! Yes, please: SA Carbon - Carbon Novelties.
NL is no problem. My game company is based in Berlin / Valencia / Utrecht with our headquarters in Berlin (that's where I am).
Does MassDrop have direct messaging (I think not, right?) – or is there a better way to contact you.
Thanks again!
Sep 26, 2018
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HerpDerpenbergAgain, I suppose I come from other communities and bring from them my experiences. Based on my Kickstarter experiences 6 months or even 1 year isn't a big deal to me. I realize how nuts that may sound, but I am really stoked when I receive things I love. So wait times don't really bother me. I do get how they would bother (do bother?) tons of people though, so I respect that.
Thanks for filling me in on some info. This does help to explain things for sure.
It also makes me curious to learn more about keycap manufacturing... hehehe...
Oh, before I forget to ask: so are sets like Carbon, Laser, Red Samurai, etc typically just never reprinted or just that they take quite a while be they are voted on and then setup for a reprint? Basically wondering if a recap / second hand is the only chance for some sets.
Sep 26, 2018
Sinji
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dilkROMYou can find me on Reddit, my username is SinjiOnO. Id rather communicate there. I've procured the Carbon novelties for you.
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SinjiRad! Thank you! Will find you there. You'll recognize my name. ;)
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dilkROMTypical history, you won't see the same set run a R2 for at least around a year? I'm not sure when dev/tty R1 vs R2 that just got shipped, but that one seems rather quick.
But Mito is a bit more of a different beast how he handle's kits. He's all about the branding and spreading the love, so seeing GMK laser will be after you likely see an SA Laser (DSA Legacy is a psuedo DSA Laser/Pulse combot I'd say) but you could get a true DSA Laser and then maybe you'd see GMK laser released again. That is, mix that between the release that Mito said Godspeed is coming to a new release end of this year (rumor is GMK) and then he's going to reissue SA Godspeed R2 likely sometime next year. Pulse R2 was earlier this yeah, Canvas R2 as well. So we're getting into the recycle phase as long as he isn't introducing a new set.
But to answer your question, it all depends on the kit and how much people want a reissue of it. There are also plenty of kits that will be coming out later. And, there is no guarantee that you will get another round of a group buy either.
Clear as mud?
Sep 26, 2018
dilkROM
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HerpDerpenbergHaha, yes, thank you, crystal clear (actually is)!
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seibabregginLet's open this thing up to 6:30 pm P.T. today for another 2 kits in the order - totaling out to 6 items per user.
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GrizzlyTeddy
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YanboWuHow will the payment work? So I added 2 more to my order, but don't see in my Paypal that anything has changed since the initial 2 kits purchased.
Sep 26, 2018
Sinji
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GrizzlyTeddyWhen the drop ends the total amount from your cart will be collected with PayPal. The initial order is an authorization
Sep 26, 2018
dilkROM
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YanboWuWill it cap at 6? Or do you keep going later on?
Sep 26, 2018
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YanboWu@YanboWu so people could have bought 6 kits at the end, but skipped in the first place because initially was 2. Anyway, again with no kits added and just limit changes or any kit added by any chance (asking because that's 3:30 am here)?
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jkaos92Correct you would be able to buy 6 kits total at 3:30 am your time if nothing else was purchased.
No new inventory will be added - what's available at launch will be what's available for the entirety of this drop.
@dilkROM generally we'll keep opening up more kits for everyone. The next open will probably be around 10:00 a.m. PT on 9/27.
Sep 26, 2018
dilkROM
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YanboWuOk, I'll keep checking. Thanks!
Sep 26, 2018
brianjking
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YanboWu@YanboWu Any more GMK Samurai base sets going to be available?
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TekilaShot
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brianjkingNope : " no new kits will be added since they were all added at the very beginning of the drop. "
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TekilaShotRip, had a base in my cart earlier and wasn't quick enough.
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GrizzlyTeddyI've had this discussion before. You're risking having a payment issue with PayPal once the order goes through. From what I understand, talking to Massdrop support, when you do PayPal it will take the money from PayPal at the time of purchase and put a hold. Once you start adding/subtracting, that will change the price and the drops ends, you will have an error on payment once it closes. You can then update to fix it, but there's really things can hit the fan or you might not be able to update payment in 24 hours and then your order is cancelled.
The only easier way it seems was to cancel your order and then rebuy those items. But you're making a risk of someone who happens to hit F5 and refresh to see stuff that you had that might have been out of stock and they can snag it up. So your best bet is to transfer items, one by one, to a second account and then purchase it there. That way, you can remove it and refresh the list on the second account to see it pop up and minimize someone else snagging it up. Still no guarantees though.
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dilkROMI wanted to add this a couple of hours ago but my phone died whilst at a doctors appointment. I just wanted to say that I do agree however that there is at the very least room for improvement on how this is handled. I don't think that it should be open to be sold out immediately, but the current process could be improved upon.
Sep 26, 2018
Sinji
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HerpDerpenbergI just checked the FAQ, you're correct. Thats's such a hassle.
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YanboWuThanks for doing this. DSA Legacy GB closed before I ever got into mechanical keyboards. I'm glad I can get a new set.
Sep 27, 2018
HerpDerpenberg
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SinjiYeah, it's why I don't use PayPal on these recaps anymore. It's OK to use PayPal for a single drop like a keyboard. But anything where you are adding/dropping items as they pop up in availability is going to be a mess for PayPal.
Sep 27, 2018
dilkROM
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HerpDerpenbergOh, crap. Didn't know this. I used PayPal! Should I / can I do anything to sort it now or just keep my fingers crossed?
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dilkROMDid you do paypal and not modify your order? Then you're fine. But if you changed anything so the current price of your order is different than when you first joined the drop, it's going to give an error when the drop closes.
Sep 27, 2018
GrizzlyTeddy
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HerpDerpenbergHoly cow wow I did not realize this... I used paypal for everything. A few accounts...
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dilkROM & @HerpDerpenberg You could try contacting support (option at the bottom of your transaction) and ask to change your method of payment.
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dvorcolHad that discussion with them already and they can't change it until it fails the transaction at the drop end. IMO, not something worth taking the risk. It's easier during other drops to cancel your order and re-up your commitment with a new order, since there is no worry of stock running out. A drop like this with limited quantity is a bit risky to drop your order and then try to grab everything back up.
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HerpDerpenbergWell that's a bummer. Figured it was worth a try.
Sep 27, 2018
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dvorcolYep, just something I learned from prior re-caps, so I avoid using PayPal for these.
Sep 27, 2018
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HerpDerpenbergIs there any benefit to using PayPal in the first place? Why not just use your bank card?
Sep 27, 2018
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YanboWu@YanboWu sorry to bother - is there any chance any MT3 /dev/tty spacebar kits are available? I realized post drop I need a 6u spacebar :(
Sep 27, 2018
dilkROM
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HerpDerpenbergOk, so, based on this, it seems futile to reach out to them for support. If the PayPal payment fails after the transaction, won't it email / notify the buyer with a chance to update / change their payment method? I still don't see the issue as long as the order isn't dropped immediately. I've had failed payments before (credit card got blocked or something) and then was emailed a link and clicked it and sorted it out. How will this be different?
Also, just gonna say it: this process is kind of insanely complicated. Does MassDrop have a small development team or something? Seems like the sales point part of the software working smoothly would be of highest priority...
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LefibonacciI just have a PayPal balance that's in that limbo from eBay sales or just friends sending money back and forth. PayPal does make filling out for payments on webstores easier since it will autofill shipping information. But for Massdrop, there's not really a benefit if you don't have an existing balance.
@dilkROM Like I said, the system does have a "payment failed" system, but I'm not sure if you can change PayPal to CC or the other way around. I've just had errors in CC payments where my CC expired and I just updated the info. It's one of those things that I could fix the problem before hand and would rather not try to sort it out in the 24 hour window after the drop and risk losing my order.
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TekilaShot
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HerpDerpenbergI had that problem before and I'm going to have it again because I forgot this happened. But it wasn't a big deal I set a reminder the day the drop ends. 24 hours was enough to fix the issue on my hand last time.
Sep 27, 2018
dvorcol
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TekilaShotWhat did you do to fix it before the drop ended?
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TekilaShot
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dvorcolif i remember correctly MD sent me an email with a link to paypal with the correct amount, I updated it and it fixed it. Something like that.
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Sinji
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TekilaShotThat sounds encouraging
Sep 27, 2018
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YanboWu10 kits at noon on 9/26? That supposed to be 27th (today) or 28th (tomorrow)? Since adding 10 kits is now in the past.
Sep 27, 2018
HerpDerpenbergHm, GMK's lead/production times are FAR quicker than Signature Plastics (assuming that's what you meant by SA?). Order placed to shipping from GMK remains in the 3-5 month range, most hitting right in the middle, making them exponentially faster than Signature Plastics. Depending on the vendor it may be 6 months before the sets are in hand from GMK, but their timeline has remained unchanged more or less for years, which is actually a very good and impressive thing.
In this community 6 months is a blink of an eye though, I've waited years for Round sets, and years for more than one keyboard. Supporting cool designs and waiting for them is just part of the community here really.
Sep 27, 2018
GrizzlyTeddy
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YanboWuCan you shed some light on what happens when the drop ends? A lot of us may have used Paypal and added extra kits. If payments get messed up and have to be reprocessed, how long do we have to fix it? How long until we lose the kits we ordered?
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GrizzlyTeddyIf there is a paypal error, an automated email with a link will be sent to your email (so make sure you can actually receive Massdrop emails) where you have 24 hours from the end of the drop (which is at 10:00 p.m. PT on 9/30) to fix your payment issue.
Just need to remember to double check!
Sep 27, 2018
Chocy
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YanboWuSo to be clear, we'll have from 10pm PT on September 30th, until 10pm PT on October 1st to fix any payment issues, without concern that we will lose kits?
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YanboWuAnd if the issue is not resolved, do those orders go back into the queue so someone else can buy them?
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SterlingBourneYeah I think so - so if you didn't get the set you want, checking back here at 10pm on October 1st would be a good idea.
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LefibonacciI'll just keep more money lying around so I'll be ready next time
Sep 27, 2018
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YanboWuEveryone, I'm a little confused. What's the point of opening up more kits per user when almost everything is already sold out and no new kits are being added? The kits I wanted to add on are already sold out lol... Are people trying to buy what's left or are we just hoping to catch any canceled orders at the end of the drop?
Sep 27, 2018
dvorcol
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YanboWu Please correct me if I'm wrong regarding @SterlingBourne & @Chocy discussion. As you said, this drop will be closed on 9/30 at 10:00 pm PT. Once the drop is closed, no more kits can be added to (or removed from) anyone's order. That means that, for orders Massdrop cancels due to payment (or other) issues, Massdrop will retain those kits in their stock. They might be sold in a future Keycap Recap, but will not be available to purchasers in this drop.
Sep 28, 2018
dvorcol
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messiah-sanWhile the drop is open, some revise their orders and cancel kit purchases. Those kits are then available for someone else to add to their order. So "sold-out" is just a kit's current status; it might become re-available during the drop for someone else to snatch up.
Sep 28, 2018
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YanboWuEntire point of a community is to talk to each other. In case one has managed to grab more kits and doesn't want a few of them, reach out to someone who *really* wants those kits. Figure out a legitimate way to pass on a kit so that no one has to pay a dime extra or get into the hassle of getting the addresses changed.
So it would be great to have a bit more responsive notification system or a live chat kinda thing for such drops, would be easier for people to exchange or release kits.
PS: I did the above thing twice since yesterday. Was happy to help out folks who were really looking to complete their set or buy a new one.
Sep 28, 2018
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shadyincI agree, a chat would be great. Did the same thing to help people out.
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shadyincone more thing time difference around the world. One who need his desired keycaps might be sleeping and another one might be lurking ready to click order button. If we really can co operate might be helpful a lot.
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letzeAbsolutely! I am in GMT+5:30 timezone and hence could grab quite a lot of kits easily. Was releasing a couple since I decided not to buy them and after reading the comments in Discussions. Realised that quite a lot of folks were really looking for specific kits. And I didn't want to hoard them. I glad those kits finally found a better home. :)
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shadyinc@YanboWu Yup. I totally agree. I can vouch as I was one of the people who received the help.
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shadyincDuring opening time, I saw all laser kit still available, SA carbon still available, even red samurai (this one gone after i go to toilet). But sadly that time only 2 kits per account and I afraid of getting banned if do multiple purchase (if md suspect me as a bot). Then after purchase 2 kits that i wanted, I went to sleep (already late midnight that time).
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letzeWhat kit(s) were you wanting?
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letzeThe 2 kit limit makes sense after @YanboWu clarified why they stick to that number. Idea is to allow everyone an opportunity to grab a kit or two at least. With more slots opening up later, why didn't people talk to each other and exchange or release the kits instead of yelling at MD and tagging Yanbo to vent out?
We *still* have time. If people don't want to pursue building/finishing a set, would be great if they can exchange kits with someone or pass it on. Personally, I would rather have a fellow member buy and use a kit than pay for it and let it eat dust at home.
Sep 28, 2018
letze
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LefibonacciI get gaijin + mitowaves. During Laser GB last year, only manage to buy cyberdeck due to budget constraint.
Sep 28, 2018
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letzeI currently have slots for Kobe, spacebars, & blocknet; does this interest you?
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letze
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LefibonacciWould be interested but currently out of budget as I join another GMK drop also. Maybe other fellow here can have yours instead of paying premium @mechmarket later.
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Sinji
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LefibonacciI would love blocknet if Letze won't! I regret not getting it.
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SinjiSure, we could work that out. Are you on Reddit? If so, look me up under the same username and send me a message.
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Sinji
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LefibonacciMy username is SinjiOnO. So youll know its me. Oddly enough I cant add you to chat.
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SinjiFollowing you here. Shall co-ordinate for a similar exchange in the next Re-cap drop. ;P
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shadyincI have a SA Carbon Alpha/Mod set. Looking for a SA Oblivion Mod/OSX set. I can of course suppliment any fees/costs associated with shipping.
Sep 28, 2018
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LefibonacciIf he didn’t get the blocknet, please let know. It’s the only thing I wanted to mix with gaijin Alphas and they sold out before I had my affairs in check.
Sep 28, 2018
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seibabreggin@Lefibonacci Guys, got GMK Laser Cyberdeck, Gaijin Kit, Mitowaves, Spacebars, and Translucent Dawn kit. Let me know if anyone of you want one of them.
Sep 28, 2018
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shadyincThanks for offering man. Only wanted gaijin from this set and blocknet is all I wanted but sold out. Wish you had that one.
Sep 28, 2018
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seibabregginSo you want just Laser Gaijin? Ping me on reddit - r/ThePewster. So I can pass it on to you.
Sep 28, 2018
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shadyincSorry I didn’t clarify. I was able to grab gaijin from this recap but not blocknet.
Sep 28, 2018
shadyinc
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seibabregginOh. Then get it from @Lefibonacci. I suppose he was offering you that. :)
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SterlingBourneThank you so much for offering. Wanted Carbon Mods initially but got my hands on Oblivion Assembly. So settling for that to use on my ortho boards.
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seibabregginMessage me on Reddit under the same handle (:
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livingspeedbumpYeah, more why I was commenting that re-issue drops are all dependent on getting in that queue. GMK has definitely been quicker recently. GMK Laser only had a long delay because there was that whole bit on Mito flying to Germany to deal with the color choices. The wait time for delivery on SA Symbiosis hurts my heart, but that wait is going to be worth it.
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TekilaShotHow did this go for you ? Did you get your orders cancelled ? I checked my PayPal before the drop ended and it was already updated with the correct amount. ( I added one kit). So it was all fine for me, I hope you guys managed to get your order settled.
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HerpDerpenbergWoah MD! 😱 Got my shipping notification today!! ✨🤩✨
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Tenzo
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daddyFOXThat's a good sign :)
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shadyinc
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daddyFOXProbably a shipping label has been created for your order.
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TekilaShotWent fine for me. All the fuss about the PayPal error for nothing. Drop ended, payment got charged, amount was wrong, got an email, came to MD, clicked pay again, got to choose PayPal or card, decided to try to for PayPal, normal routine, paid, done. :)
Oct 2, 2018
HerpDerpenberg
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dilkROMThat's good to know for the future. I couldn't find anyone that had just let the payment fail at the end, so glad it worked out for you.
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xero
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dilkROMsame here. i joined the drop at 5 after and it precharged me. after noon i added a 3rd kit. when the drop ended the pre-approved transaction failed b/c the total had changed. got the email logged in and reapproved the transaction. A-OK
Oct 5, 2018
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YanboWuReceived email saying the kit was backordered and did not have the stock on hand even though I paid for it within minutes of the drop. Sad this has happened and now cannot get MD to respond to their support emails to ship the other portion of my order that is not backordered... what a mess.
Oct 10, 2018
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