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Elzizo
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Dec 6, 2017
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Schwibbles
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Dec 6, 2017
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ElzizoJust ordered a cable and some interconnects from there during their Black Friday sale. Can't wait to get them in.
Drivinfast247
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Dec 6, 2017
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ElzizoThat company is using Canare cable. You can buy that cable for a few dollars a foot. I've built a few myself for less than $20. You're paying for a pretty cable cover. I'm not saying bad about the guy, they do look nice. But you can't compare it to Cardas cable.
Elzizo
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Dec 6, 2017
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Drivinfast247You can compare and draw a correlation between anything! This is the internet after all.....
My initial point still stands that in MY opinion, Ursine is the best cost to performance I have found for custom headphone cables. You are welcome to disagree, and I am welcome to disagree with your disagreement, and so on and so forth until the end of time.
Cables and their effect on sound is pretty subjective, with Cardas being one of the most egregious offenders for offering 'snake oil' cable solutions at extremely high prices. A higher cost does not correlate to better sound, just the perception of quality. Luckily consumers are becoming more savvy regarding this last point.
My initial point still stands that in MY opinion, Ursine is the best cost to performance I have found for custom headphone cables. You are welcome to disagree, and I am welcome to disagree with your disagreement, and so on and so forth until the end of time.
Cables and their effect on sound is pretty subjective, with Cardas being one of the most egregious offenders for offering 'snake oil' cable solutions at extremely high prices. A higher cost does not correlate to better sound, just the perception of quality. Luckily consumers are becoming more savvy regarding this last point.
Motorrad
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Dec 7, 2017
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ElzizoHe does nice work and Canare is generally fine cable. The black Friday prices were good.
Oh shit...you went "snake oil"...
AlexBlack
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Dec 7, 2017
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MotorradRight on. Everyone knows "confirmation bias" is just a government conspiracy spread through radio waves to try to make us listen to "scientifically sound argument" as a form of mind control. You keep fighting the good fight, Motorrad.
AlexBlack
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Dec 8, 2017
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MotorradWoah, cool it with those red-hot Reddit insults, champ. Let's keep things civilized here.
http://www.zdnet.com/article/coat-hanger-wire-is-just-as-good-as-a-high-quality-speaker-cable/
I'll just leave this here before I head over to the next bridge.
Motorrad
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Dec 8, 2017
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AlexBlackAh yes...the old coat-hanger chestnut...a classic! Funny stuff. Cheers!
audible
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Dec 8, 2017
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MotorradI suppose that's the old anecdotal monster cable comparison. The t-rolls and the tin-ears just love that one. "Electricity is just electricity and data is data" haha. Seems that what they are always forgetting about "confirmation bias" is that it works both ways. Lol.
Motorrad
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Dec 8, 2017
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audibleYep. The classic anecdotal example that essentially DEFINES confirmatory bias. Thousands have cited it; zero have tested it. Never was much of a fan of Monster...but still.... Nice to see some consistency from the trolls. Gotta love the classics.
AlexBlack
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Dec 8, 2017
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audibleNo confirmation bias in a blind test like that one, Mr. Aural Meister. I'd love to see a solid double-blind study done, but the lack of tests available only show that nobody simple enough to spend hundreds of dollars on golden cords spun by vestal virgins under a full moon is about to actually test their own presuppositions.
audible
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Dec 8, 2017
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AlexBlackPhht. That 'test' is anecdotal and is essentially urban legend by now that has been referenced by trolls for nearly two decades. The confirmation bias is yours, not that of 'test' participants. Your interpretation of my meaning is also a form of confirmation bias.
That's fine if you can't hear the difference between different wires. It's not about price; more about composition and impedance matching varying from system to system...for interconnects anyway.
A demonstration I've done for years for speaker wire is to start with solid core 24g working up to to a solid core 10g; what do you think happens there? Nothing? You would be wrong.
I'm not saying that 'snake oil' does not exist, but wires do matter and sometimes you do get what you pay for.
Have you heard active impedance matching circuitry? It's not that expensive and in many cases takes the unobtanium stuff to task. But if you can't hear it you can't hear it so your job is to keep trolling, so get back to work, champ.
AlexBlack
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Dec 8, 2017
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audibleYou keep saying anecdotal, as if the entire HiFi community is anything but anecdotes. haha You want a scientific dissertation at a symposium on your awful investment, huh? You might as well just say you're not willing to listen to anyone who doesn't agree with you, because you're right, because you spent all that money and anyone who says otherwise is just a big, fat meanie. Unless you wanna run your cables for a couple thousand feet the math itself simply doesn't show an audible difference in impedance based on build. Simple as that. But hey, this is obviously an emotional topic, so let me lower my 'impedance' of your enjoyment and just leave you to bask in the glory of your magic cables that only special people can hear the superiority of.
audible
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Dec 8, 2017
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AlexBlackIn order to attempt to finish your narrative you ignored what I was saying. You are making the wrong argument with the wrong person. Sadly, I have have overrated your trolling skills. I love to be proven wrong...it's just that it has not happened yet and certainly not from a troll as hapless as you. Harharhar
You really believe there would be nothing to hear in that experiment I refer to? Really? Ok. Do you believe that the construction of a USB cable has any audible effect on isochronous digital audio? You have every right to believe in absence of differences, but just pulling dubious crap off the web is lazy and boring. The irony that you are calling me someone who does not want to listen and that you are calling others emotional when this is meaningful enough for you to troll with you copy-and-paste narrative. Funny.
Next you're going to suggest that you actually possess the analylcal talents to break this all down mathematically because that explains it all.
You really believe there would be nothing to hear in that experiment I refer to? Really? Ok. Do you believe that the construction of a USB cable has any audible effect on isochronous digital audio? You have every right to believe in absence of differences, but just pulling dubious crap off the web is lazy and boring. The irony that you are calling me someone who does not want to listen and that you are calling others emotional when this is meaningful enough for you to troll with you copy-and-paste narrative. Funny.
Next you're going to suggest that you actually possess the analylcal talents to break this all down mathematically because that explains it all.
SlowCousinPete
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Dec 9, 2017
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audibleRight, the expensive USB cables have higher quality 1s and 02 than the others!
Audible here THINKS he understands this stuff but I bet he's using electricity from a coal or natural gas power plant. Coal power only makes the bass sound muddy and the treble veiled. Solar electricity makes the sound too bright (duh). Hydroelectric power is the best for smooth, linear extension across the range :)
Audible here THINKS he understands this stuff but I bet he's using electricity from a coal or natural gas power plant. Coal power only makes the bass sound muddy and the treble veiled. Solar electricity makes the sound too bright (duh). Hydroelectric power is the best for smooth, linear extension across the range :)
audible
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Dec 9, 2017
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SlowCousinPete"Right, the expensive USB cables have higher quality 1s and 02 than the others!"
As far as I know the quality of the cable makes no difference for asynchronous data. Isochronous data is a different deal though. Digital audio is finicky compared to digital data.
Do you believe all CD transports resolve the same?
Do you believe all LP turntables resolve the same?
Coal power does muddy the midrange a bit, so you're partly correct. And yes, hydro is best.
Coal power does muddy the midrange a bit, so you're partly correct. And yes, hydro is best.
SlowCousinPete
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Dec 9, 2017
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audible"Digital audio is finicky compared to digital data."
Digital audio **IS** digital data. It's the same thing.
And dude, I was being facetious about the coal/hydroelectric thing. Differentiating by the type of power plant was just the stupidest vaguely smart-sounding thing I could think of.
Digital audio **IS** digital data. It's the same thing.
And dude, I was being facetious about the coal/hydroelectric thing. Differentiating by the type of power plant was just the stupidest vaguely smart-sounding thing I could think of.
audible
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Dec 9, 2017
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SlowCousinPete"Digital audio **IS** digital data. It's the same thing." Yes!...and no. Digital data that is NOT audio, that is NOT processed and parsed in real-time is asynchronous and is subjected to checksum validation to ensure accuracy. Digital audio is Isochronous and not subject to real-time validation. Data packet loss, jitter etc are not some ethereal notions that are up for debate.
I noticed you ignored my questions; it's expected.
"And dude, I was being facetious about the coal/..." No shit...'dude'.
"And dude, I was being facetious about the coal/..." No shit...'dude'.
AlexBlack
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Dec 9, 2017
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audibleI'm afraid it's been years since I've read Harry Potter, so I'm far from an expert on both magic and narrative at this stage in my life. Bullshit, however... Your smug insistence on poisoning the well of the goddamn internet makes you seem anything but credible, amigo. Claiming your rarefied senses are above online sources kinda just makes you look like a wiener. lol On the off chance you decide to be honest, though, I found some excellent and entertaining articles:
http://goodmath.scientopia.org/2011/12/30/audiophiles-and-the-need-to-be-special/
http://audiophilereview.com/cables/xlr-rca-and-the-magic-of-matching-impedance.html
https://pearl-hifi.com/06_Lit_Archive/02_PEARL_Arch/Vol_16/Sec_53/Pease_Lab_Notes/Kaye_Pease_Davis_on_Cables.pdf
audible
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Dec 9, 2017
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AlexBlackThanks again for showing us how cognitive bias affects you.
I noticed you ignored the questions too. It was expected as they run contrary to your narrative.
Anyway, again, wrong person, wrong argument. Save your inept trolling for someone who cares even less than I do, but I doubt such a person exists.
Cheers.
Motorrad
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Dec 10, 2017
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audibleTo save you some time if you have not looked, two of his links do not apply to what you are talking about and one reinforces it.
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