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KMpr
30
Mar 15, 2016
Not entirely sure what people mean when they say the upgrade is "huge"... I can justify differences between headphones being "huge" but DAC/Amps?
Motherboard audio (except laptops) and flagship smartphones admittedly sound pretty good these days and the only reason I see for getting something like this is if you have have difficult-to-drive phones that need amping, and/or you want to fix problems like inadequate damping factor (which isn't that common because many modern sources are low output impedance). Or unless your source is VERY poor.
I can appreciate measurable differences but I think to say it's a "huge" difference is misleading. Yes, they can sound different but it might not be "better". I've heard more expensive setups that sound more bassy and less neutral than my Galaxy S6 for example, and are worse sounding in my opinion. Plus, you loose out on features with these DAC/Amps like the software Equalizer and surround sound which I know many people like to use.
Not trying to be harsh or anything, I think the DACport Slim is a great compact all-in-one solution for purists who prefer a slightly more bassy sound and own some 150-600 ohm phones. I just can't agree with people being mis-representative about certain things, spending tons of money on some DACs they *think* sounds godly better when in fact it's more of a goldsink than anything. Sorry for the rant.
The noise with sensitive IEMs are an issue, but alas you cannot have the power to drive power hungry phones without being overkill for lower sensitivities unless you design another switch setting for "ultra low gain".
Boomboommadafaka
32
Mar 15, 2016
KMprThats very true, no point of having a low gain if you can not match it with IEMs, and for the record some people on head-fi do report that their sensitive IEMs pick up audible noise when music is not playing...
KMprWe cannot tell if you are making your assumptions based on other people's opinions. It would be useful if people were referring to their actual experience with the product. When we envisioned this product together with Massdrop, we were hoping that $99 won't be seen as "tons of money" for most people. Yet, we wanted the sonic difference to be significant enough. We are always sensitive to customer feedback, and with thousands of units sold so far, we have worked really hard to place a lot of real value under the hood.
KMpr
30
Mar 15, 2016
CEntranceOf course. I was going off-topic on some people's opinions and perceptions on DACs. Was not try to allude to the fact that $100 is a lot of money because it is indeed good value for people with high resistance headphones that can't afford big DAC/AMPs.
But as with many things, there's room for improvement and the Windows 10 crashing ordeal and not-so-good noise levels with many sensitive IEMs are the main issues from what I've seen. I think people who experience this should not be treated as exaggerating because in my opinion, when more than a few people bring it up, there's some truth there. Otherwise, I am quite happy to pick this up.
KMprFair enough. I accept. And if we could make it even cheaper, we would. As always, it's that old bang-for-the-buck dilemma. Windows is almost handled though. We have a beta driver that has not crashed in weeks. And we have received a lot of licensing requests already, because others are still struggling with drivers just like we were.
Not to take the conversation off track, but just to assure you that all this feedback is taken to heart in DACportable, which is obviously not in the same price range. http://igg.me/at/dacportable
Hyde
1119
Mar 16, 2016
KMprYes I also learned the hard way after trying FiiO E10K, SMSL M2, Schiit Fulla, and finally NuForce UDAC-3.
All those $100 DAC/AMP combo all do seem to improve bass response to make it punchier, but at the same time I also do notice it seems to blur some details in the mid/high. In that regard I actually prefer the sound straight from my Nexus 5, bass is not as good, but the mid/high details are better.
I'm in agreement with KMpr here. For easy to drive headphones they'll just sound "different" as oppose to overall better. Only when you use hard to drive headphone with high impedance then these DAC/AMP might star to shine. I think the mentality is that since we're spending $100 so we want to hear big improvements.
Again to clarify things, not really bashing CEntrance here, I'm pretty sure this is a wonderful product. But I can already tell people are expecting O2/ODAC kind of performance but realistically at $100 there's limitations.
Since I learned this the trial and error way I'll just list my observations, for easy to drive headphones, you'll heard "different" sound as oppose to on board sound card. So for people who headphones less than 80 Ohm, I'd probably suggest forgo the DAC/AMP and use the money to upgrade headphone instead. For hard to drive headphones, these might be worth the investment.
Hope this helps.
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