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aeberbach
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Feb 22, 2015
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They look nice. If you admit to yourself that they are not magic and probably won't sound different to lamp cord, there's nothing too bad about buying audio jewellery.
RoaroftheTiger
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Feb 23, 2015
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aeberbachI'm a firm believer in , " K.I.S.S. " ( Keep It Simple ... Stupid)
But, I have No idea, what speakers and amplifiers your using. They may require, Nothing more than lamp cord ... or perhaps a ' twisted pair' of 12 gauge ???
But, Not All ' raw ' speaker drivers , nor the added passive crossovers are the same.
Then, all of these , are also influenced by the Enclosure Loading ie. ; Acoustic Suspension ... Bass Reflex ... and that, on port size etc. etc. But the ' transmission line' also contributes to the resultant load. That can be a match "made in heaven", with specific amplifiers ... Or It can sound less than good, to horrible; compared to a different amp.
But, were discussing "fine tuning" , NOT miracles.
Your all purpose response, of lamp cord only. Is too arbitrary.
Let's not abandon all other solutions, Only for frugality sake.
aeberbach
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Feb 23, 2015
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RoaroftheTigerMy position is that a non-defective wire is all you need. Beyond that you can't measure a difference and you can't hear a difference. Of course you could design a speaker requiring some special kind of cable - but these aren't that, they are regular speaker cables.
Your position appears to be different. Wasn't James Randi offering $1,000,000 to anyone who can consistently hear the difference between a basic cable and a $7250 one? I hope you can claim that money, nobody has since he first offered it in 2007 or so.
I like nice cables. I like thick cables that are the correct length and I like to see heavy duty shiny connectors and tech flex sheaths and neat heatshrinking. And I think it adds to the experience of listening to music. I just don't believe it changes what comes out of the speakers one little bit. Frugality has nothing to do with it, I can waste money with the best of them but I won't believe the bullshit along the way.
Your position appears to be different. Wasn't James Randi offering $1,000,000 to anyone who can consistently hear the difference between a basic cable and a $7250 one? I hope you can claim that money, nobody has since he first offered it in 2007 or so.
I like nice cables. I like thick cables that are the correct length and I like to see heavy duty shiny connectors and tech flex sheaths and neat heatshrinking. And I think it adds to the experience of listening to music. I just don't believe it changes what comes out of the speakers one little bit. Frugality has nothing to do with it, I can waste money with the best of them but I won't believe the bullshit along the way.
RoaroftheTiger
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Feb 24, 2015
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aeberbachNo, I'm guess - timating that these Cables are "tailor made " to compliment, the
CEntrance MasterClass Speakers.
But they would probably compliment the following examples as well :
Quad Electrostatics; Magnalplanars; Jordan Watts speakers; Merseyside Acoustics miniature speaker - using Carl Pinfold's 'lozenge - shaped ' full range driver (yes, I have a pair); and for that matter; ANY small speaker, in a Mini / Sub (s) system.
But in general terms; My position is, some of these 'cables' can have a symbiotic effect with certain combinations of speakers and the amplifiers. I generally resort to such tactics of Fine Tuning , on a case by case basis. For example, on " full range drivers", which were being used as 'satellites' or in this Desktop application. I'd be tempted to use the above mentioned Cobra Cable (or the CEntrance cable), only on the Principal Speakers. Never on a Sub, where I'd be more concerned with resistance. (the old ADCOM amp, I'd use, Doesn't like high - capacitance loads too ! ;) ) Assuming I had NO RF or hum problems. I'd be tempted to use 10 - 8 gauge Automobile Jumper Wire (dirt cheap, as a " loss leader, on sale " @ most discount stores) or a heavy Coax cable. Simply, I'm just suggesting; " One size, Doesn't always, fit All " ;)
P.S. Thought " The Amazing Randi " was too busy debunking Spiritualists , to bother with Audio ??? Or has his " harmonic distortion profile " been analyzed, as well ??? ;) But Yes, I'd NEVER consider using $7250 cables. As such things to me, go well beyond Fine Tuning. That $$$ figure, represents to me ... some well spent time @ Concerts and Blues Clubs. And a Complete new system, in the hopes of hearing more of the same at home. But, let's face it. Under most circumstances; Your brain fills - in the missing parts (that's psychoacoustics). But, If you ever heard an attempted 1st time Live - Binaural recording ( a dummy head recording / made Only for headphone playback}. You'd more fully understand. As during the act of recording Your brain can ignore the Ambient Noise in the surroundings. But on Playback, All the whispering , coughing and rustlings of Your neighbors, is Unavoidable ! Problem of a Musician (in particular) alot of exposure to recordings in general (and also live music); leads to less (brain) filtering of 'un - music' like sounds', commonly referred to as Distortion (s). Such is the plight of the trained or ' golden ear' ... oh woe with me ! ;)
edit: Trust you'll find this interview of interest (59 minutes) . During the last few minutes, ( ~56:23) Sandy Gross does discuss Cables and Speaker Wire.
But in general terms; My position is, some of these 'cables' can have a symbiotic effect with certain combinations of speakers and the amplifiers. I generally resort to such tactics of Fine Tuning , on a case by case basis. For example, on " full range drivers", which were being used as 'satellites' or in this Desktop application. I'd be tempted to use the above mentioned Cobra Cable (or the CEntrance cable), only on the Principal Speakers. Never on a Sub, where I'd be more concerned with resistance. (the old ADCOM amp, I'd use, Doesn't like high - capacitance loads too ! ;) ) Assuming I had NO RF or hum problems. I'd be tempted to use 10 - 8 gauge Automobile Jumper Wire (dirt cheap, as a " loss leader, on sale " @ most discount stores) or a heavy Coax cable. Simply, I'm just suggesting; " One size, Doesn't always, fit All " ;)
P.S. Thought " The Amazing Randi " was too busy debunking Spiritualists , to bother with Audio ??? Or has his " harmonic distortion profile " been analyzed, as well ??? ;) But Yes, I'd NEVER consider using $7250 cables. As such things to me, go well beyond Fine Tuning. That $$$ figure, represents to me ... some well spent time @ Concerts and Blues Clubs. And a Complete new system, in the hopes of hearing more of the same at home. But, let's face it. Under most circumstances; Your brain fills - in the missing parts (that's psychoacoustics). But, If you ever heard an attempted 1st time Live - Binaural recording ( a dummy head recording / made Only for headphone playback}. You'd more fully understand. As during the act of recording Your brain can ignore the Ambient Noise in the surroundings. But on Playback, All the whispering , coughing and rustlings of Your neighbors, is Unavoidable ! Problem of a Musician (in particular) alot of exposure to recordings in general (and also live music); leads to less (brain) filtering of 'un - music' like sounds', commonly referred to as Distortion (s). Such is the plight of the trained or ' golden ear' ... oh woe with me ! ;)
edit: Trust you'll find this interview of interest (59 minutes) . During the last few minutes, ( ~56:23) Sandy Gross does discuss Cables and Speaker Wire.
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