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Steverino
123
May 29, 2015
@Mark, lol! And, let me say this. If we can get it in orange, I be gettin' mo den one :-)
@guvnor, running the scales all the up increases number grips. Glass filled nylon is pretty dang tough.
guvnor
735
May 29, 2015
SteverinoIt's a tactical tomahawk not a bushcraft hatchet, you don't need to choke up to the head for detail work. The shaft on these things are typically used to clear broken shards around the edges of a frame such as a car door or house window after using the spike to break the glass initially. If used on something like a room door that flat head will go right through and the handle scales will take all the beating. If you look at the original RMJ Tactical tomahawk designs you'll notice there's never any handle scales near the head.
SteverinoMore good news! We were able to add the orange handled version of the Kangee to the drop as well after you guys asked for it. More T-hawks for the people!
@Steverino @thegadgetnut
Hatchetman
140
May 29, 2015
guvnorI disagree about the scales. If you note there are palm swells all the way up the handle that also allow to choke up on the axe. The topmost swell would allow the 'hawk to be used in an ulu-like manner. If you were to say bust out a car window with it and then needed to cut a seatbelt, for instance, you would very likely choke up on the axe for greater control.
Steverino
123
May 30, 2015
HatchetmanThanks Lucas. Appreciate the responsiveness! 5 left. Hmm, lol! @hatchetman Agree. Also, see the man himself in action

. And, def check y'tubes testing. Mos def kit-worthy. Great drop!
guvnor
735
May 30, 2015
HatchetmanLike I said it's not a bushcraft hatchet. Fine cutting is not what tomahawks are meant for. I find it funny when you look up testing for these tomahawks people are using it to chop wood.
I'd be highly weary of cutting the seatbelt off someone with a tomahawk(unless left with no choice), considering the spike on the opposite end and the long handle beneath your hand that can get caught on things while in a tight space like the inside of a vehicle. Not to mention the Kangee has the entire top of the head sharpened.
Most people would use a small knife to cut off a seatbelt. If you have a tomahawk handy but not a small knife, it's probably time to rethink priorities lol.
Hatchetman
140
May 30, 2015
guvnorAnd again, I respectfully disagree. I have a couple dozen 'hawks and hatchets, none of them are safe queens, and if I'm out in the field and have one along I'll use it as I need to regardless of design intent. Indeed, in the case of rescuing someone from a vehicle, if I have reason to smash a window, I likely also have reason to get a victim out of a car quickly and as such would not be likely to drop the axe and grab my EDC knife. Rather, I'd grab a bight of seatbelt, slide the axe into the gap between the bight, and then pull the bight of belt down on one of the sharpened surfaces of the axe, which would give me a controlled cut without dropping the axe and digging out a knife.
Perhaps it's all my time training Filipino Martial Arts, where tools are adapted to need rather than the other way around, that informs my thinking. Or maybe it's my 20 years as a chef where I spent at least 4 hours a day using a knife, but I find a cutting edge is a cutting edge and my job is to control it and adapt it to a given need, something I've done in a lot of contexts over the years.
guvnor
735
May 30, 2015
HatchetmanSurprisingly all your experience in martial arts and cooking never taught you that the seatbelt tension locks during an accident when the airbags are deployed(which if they need rescue, the bags probably did deploy). It's why people hang upside down if a car rolls over. Unless there was an immediate fire risk, there's no reason why anyone would try to save seconds and risk safety by using a friggin' tomahawk to cut a seatbelt instead of a knife in their pocket or waist. Entry tools are meant to be abandoned once entry is made. Notice how firefighters don't cut seatbelts with the jaws of life and SWAT don't carry their battering ram inside.
I'm not trying to make it sound like this tomahawk won't function for the purposes it's meant for, but for the purposes it's meant for I don't think it's optimal and there are better choices for around the same price. The good news is that I'm sure the tomahawk will still work fine(or better) if the scales do break near the top.
worshipthesock
19
May 30, 2015
guvnorFWIW I remember reading somewhere that the creator of this design intended (Whether intent matters or not) for this to be a piece that blended a "bushcraft" style tool and the "tactical" style tool in one. I'm not pretending like I know anything here I just remember reading that somewhere when these first came out.
All I'm saying is if that's true, people are quite justified testing them out on wood processing, etc. since that is apparently the intent.
guvnor
735
May 30, 2015
worshipthesockJust saw an official CRKT video with Ryan Johnson introducing these.
"I designed this hawk to be an entry/exit tool and also a close quarters combat weapon."
Youtube link:

You can still use these for bushcrafting if that's what you have on you, but I've tried several tomahawk designs while camping and they simply don't do very well. Any tool can be used for any purpose, but it's common sense that tools work much better for tasks they're designed for.
I think the only realistic reason why anyone would wear this in the woods and look ridiculous is they thought it was "tacticool" and wanted to live out their Walking Dead fantasies.
worshipthesock
19
May 31, 2015
guvnorHuh, guess I don't remember right or it was just some off-hand ad copy I read. To be clear, I definitely consider this more of a "gadget" for most people than a for real tool. Honestly if you wanted to seriously process wood you'd probably just use a hardware store axe.
I'm buying a couple, one is intended as a gift for someone who likes gadgets and probably won't be "used" beyond being stowed in a truck, the other I want to take the scales off of and play around with, these being SK-5 steel I bet it can be sharpened pretty well. Granted that's extremely silly to buy something just to sharpen/customize it for personal amusement but there you go. If most of the buyers of this thing were being honest that's probably exactly what they're doing with it too.
Honestly the best small axe I've ever had is an old hatchet from an Ace Hardware store, can't even remember the brand. I'm sure a Wetterlings/Gransfors Bruks (the one that's really expensive I forget which...) axe is better but as a city boy I don't process wood regularly.
And if I want to play "Walking Dead" I've got a HI kukri I chop fruit with XD That would probably be better than any hatchet or tomahawk, even dull.
guvnor
735
May 31, 2015
worshipthesockNothing wrong with having/using something just for fun; it's how we learn and test things. Playing around with tomahawks for fun was what led me to have my own preferences.
I still do think this tomahawk will function fine as a tool as intended and my complaints about the scales in the overall picture is minor.
I used my HI CAK in the woods a few times and it functioned fine lol. I found out the traditional sheath isn't really ideal for carry though - the brass tip on the sheath would occasionally dig into the back of my calf or ankle as I went to crouch. I retired it as a display because the whole setup kinda sucks when it starts raining.
Antibacterial
319
Jun 1, 2015
guvnorNow there's an idea for a drop... HI khuks
guvnor
735
Jun 2, 2015
AntibacterialThat'd be awesome, though I have heard their shop and equipment were destroyed by the earthquake in Nepal and it might be a while before they're back to fully up and running again.