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Oct 7, 2015

Yeah, another set not including 3 needed ISO keys. Not like we europeans pay for one ISO enter, one 1u key more & one 1.25u LSHIFT up to 40$. ANSI for all!

Matty101

Oct 7, 2015

KoelnIt's not like us Europeans want to use custom keycaps or anything. At the end of the day the main problem is that for some bizarre reason, they don't make DSA ISO enter keys, so the closest thing is the DCS one.

Oct 7, 2015

Matty101Exactly, I mean who the hell could have thought of that? By the end of the day we can be happy that some these US boys in the keycap industry know that there may be some other standard in like the rest of the world... And then these talks like ISO is a niche... Rly? Then why are the ISO modifiers always sold out? And they are expansive as hell, the cheapest one I've seen are going around 12$ for THREE keys and they being bought like it's the best thing since sliced bread. But to top that many of these designs are in fact inspired by EUROPEAN designs (I even think dolch computer systems was from europe, not sure though). GMK with original cherry moldings have included ISO modifiers in all their sets as well (including dolch), after all it's a german company - just like Cherry... When it comes to supply and demand it's more that the supply creates its demand as many europeans enthusiast buy ANSI boards bcs of the refusal of the US industry to provide any other standard than ANSI - it's a joke.

Oct 7, 2015

KoelnHi Koeln,
being German myself i use a modified ansi layout for several reasons.
I've two questions. Where is the "ISO-industry" offering iso or ansi keycaps for the iso-lovers. And the more important one, which iso-layout are we talking about.
ISO Qwerty: CA, DK, EE, FI, FO, IE, IS, GL, NO, SE, FI, Nordic or UK. ISO Qwertz: AT, CH, DE or Neo. ISO Azerty: BE or FR and what about the Netherlands or Turkey.
The ISO-"problem" is quiet obvious and if i would produce keycaps, i would tell the iso lovers, unite and we can have a chance to approach your need/wish.
Cheers

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Matty101

Oct 7, 2015

MakamiThis is another problem - luckily I'm from the UK, which is probably the easiest ISO layout to account for. Some sets pack all of the ISO keys into a single pack, so you end up paying for a massive set of keys when most of them will never be of use to you, whereas others, such as the Danger Zone set only account for the UK layout. At the end of the day, it would be nice for all sets to include an basic ISO addon pack for at least the enter, 1.35u shift and a few 1u keys, so at least we can have a full board.

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Oct 7, 2015

Matty101I agree with you, that would be a good starting point.
I've bought a couple of keycaps at the old pimpmykeyboard shop. If there had been ten ic's that made it and were produced, 9.5 didn't made it to get an "universal" iso-childdeal tipped, even though the numbers asked for had been low.
I can somehow understand, that SP might have given up on this behalf. But with a wider range of customers at MD this might change again in the future.

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Oct 7, 2015

MakamiI know my board and I don't care about the country specific lettering but that the keyset fits my boards layout. All you need is the molding for ISO enter (1.25u LSHIFT form as row 4 modifiers - so you already got the form) the 1u keycap shouldn't be a problem as well. Do you really think the ISO ppl from geekhack/ deskthority/ reddit wouldn't buy any ISO layout if they could? You could hold on to the ANSI lettering the 1u key could be any specific symbol (like a third "1976"-symbol for the specific set), just a blank one or you just settle for one lettering (which would be probably be uk, nordic or de). Beside, that only applies to doubleshot legends - it shouldn't be a big problem to produce ANY lettering if you dyesub/ lasercut - the only thing you need is to know the product margins and you won't find out about those if you don't try to sell them. (Besides what's the risk if you only produces in xy margins for a specific drop?) E.g. I would like a PBT keyset for my pok3r, Vortex has nice doubleshot ones but only for ANSI plus they're DCS (and pretty big ones aswell). It's nearly impossible to get row4 DCS with same high, same color in PBT plastic (You'll find some, in some color & form but you need to be more than lucky to find the ones that really fit and have a similar feel, sound & look). I'm just sick and tired that even if you're willing to make sacrifies (like the lang. specific lettering) you won't get a decent keyset of your choice.

Oct 7, 2015

KoelnHi Koeln,
first, i'm not against you, options are always good, the more the better.
"I know my board and I don't care about the country specific lettering but that the keyset fits my boards layout." This is you, but what about the other people that do care?
"Do you really think the ISO ppl from geekhack/ deskthority/ reddit wouldn't buy any ISO layout if they could?" Like i said in the comment above, most of the time, these child deals didn't made it at SP, and the ic's have been told to the named communities, they even were made many times with the help/input of that people.
It's new to me, that Vortex has keycaps in DCS profile, i thought so far they prefer OEM.
This is only me, but if this Dolch Set would be the one i really want for my Pok3r , i would buy it for the alphas and exchange all of the modifiers with blank ISO caps from SP to my liking. Senseless, expensive, but that's me.
Hopefully the new UNIKEY shop by GMK, people are waiting for, might be able to help you: http://www.uniqey.net/
Fingers crossed that you might find what you're looking for someday!

Oct 7, 2015

MakamiMy bad, vortex is oem. I meant the form of dsc contrary to sa & dsa (actually that's part of the problem as the dcs keys by sp wouldn't match with the height of oem). wasd keys are cherry and abs, vortex has oem pbt blanks as well, even iso set, but only in black which doesn't fit with the white + rgb doubleshots... Offtopic, just some frustration. But thanks for the info that really looks promising.

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Oct 7, 2015

KoelnI hope that, too. Wondering, what they may offer. I lost track somehow, what do you want to keep, mix or want regarding keycaps. ISO-?, backlit compatible, oem?

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MiBe

Oct 10, 2015

MakamiI don't know if I understand your post correctly, but to me it seems like you put The Netherlands under the ISO Azerty header. FYI, everyone in The Netherlands uses QWERTY and even though Logitech still doesn't get it, most Dutch people tend to prefer the ANSI layout. So for us it's great to see many US-oriented keysets actually :)

Oct 10, 2015

MiBeHi MiBe,
you're correct, forgetting to hit the enter key to get a new line can "dramaticly" change what has been ment.
Cheers

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boTy

Oct 14, 2015

MiBeApple also uses ISO layouts often in NL.
DId you get your missing keycaps from the Blank PBT keycaps set yet? :)

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