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kittykatmax
140
Jul 25, 2017
So tired of seeing stuff listed as "PU Leather" when there's nothing leather about it! It's polyurethane. Period.
BlueCrowned
5305
Jul 26, 2017
kittykatmaxBut PU leather is what it's called. AKA Pleather.
Kallium
144
Jul 27, 2017
BlueCrownedIf they made it out of flubber, I'd buy it.
vanmmyers
143
Jul 27, 2017
kittykatmaxYour mad about not having leather, that may or may not have cat in it. PU is much better
kittykatmax
140
Jul 27, 2017
vanmmyersIt's "you're," not "your," if we're going to go harassing people. Congratulations for taking this where I didn't actually go. Did I say it was bad? No. Why? Because I'm not mad about it not having actual leather at all.
My issue, as stated, is with misleading descriptions. Go on Amazon.com or eBay or any other site, and there are tons of listings with "Genuine Leather" in the title.....and if you hunt around carefully enough, somewhere in small print in a wall of text they clarify it's "genuine PU leather." There are tons of people that think "PU leather" is real leather. And there are tons of PU "leather" items sold at prices that would reflect a top grain leather construction (regardless of whether you approve or disapprove of leather), when polyurethane is cheap. Not the case here, obviously, the price is reasonable, but the misleading use of the word leather is still annoying and WRONG. It also makes it harder for Vegans to find animal-free products - did you ever think of that Captain SJW?
There's a reason we don't have "cotton leather" - because it's COTTON, not leather. Just like we don't have clothes advertised as being constructed of "faux cotton." If it's polyurethane, call it polyurethane. Which is environmentally harmful if you want to get technical (as is leather). Wool isn't necessarily friendly to sheep, either, who can be cut badly in the shearing process. Cotton (unless organic) is inundated with tons of pesticides. I could go on and on, but MY POINT WAS merely that the term PU leather is disingenuous at best - but is actively intended to mislead in many instances.
kittykatmax
140
Jul 27, 2017
BlueCrownedIt's NOT LEATHER.
kittykatmax
140
Jul 27, 2017
KalliumAnd that's fine. I have gadget cases made of polyurethane, and for the money, they've been perfectly fine, if not always long-lived. Reading comprehension has gone out the window, clearly, as you are all completely missing the point.
BlueCrowned
5305
Jul 27, 2017
kittykatmaxExcuse me? It's fake leather... it's faux leather. What do you propose we call faux fur? If people don't know that PU leather isn't real leather then they need to do their research. PU leather is what it's called.
Sheep are rarely cut during shearing if the person doing it knows what they are doing. It's very difficult to accidentally cut an animal with an electric razor.
vanmmyers
143
Jul 27, 2017
kittykatmaxLeather uses about 10x as much water as cotton and 20-40x as much as common sythetics, so yea, I'd rather not waste 3000 gallons of water on a keyboard pouc. As far as priduction costs, it is all markup. Do you have any idea how much it costs to feed an animal corn for a month and then kill it? Literally a cent on the dollar when compared to what it sells for. Furthermore, PU leather is a superior material. Is has better endurance and diesnt get ruinined when a fairy touches it (as far as texture and look). It is not fusingebuo in any way. Is it disingenuous to calls rubber domes. non-mechanical even though they are a mechanism? No. Faux or vegan or other adject specifically denote a difference. If you care about real, inefficien, cruel leather, be my guest. Just don't b**** and moan about it
vanmmyers
143
Jul 27, 2017
vanmmyersI may be a library SJW, but at least I'm not insulted by the WRONG useage of a word.
BlueCrowned
5305
Jul 27, 2017
vanmmyerswhat do you figure we do with the skin after a cow is slaughtered for meat? just toss it?
vanmmyers
143
Jul 27, 2017
BlueCrownedI have said (maybe somewhere else) that I do not object to efficient use. The problem is, factory farms do throw it out. Leather is sourced from SA and Asia, but most of our meat comes from the US. That is because it is a segmented industry, and lots of leather is from specialized production plants that breed animals specifically for leather yield, not consumption. Edit: typo
BlueCrowned
5305
Jul 27, 2017
vanmmyersfair enough
ChuckDee
1906
Jul 28, 2017
vanmmyersWhy are you arguing that point. I think @kittykatmax was very explicit about what was being argued. It wasn't this.
Kallium
144
Jul 28, 2017
kittykatmaxSorry for any confusion, kittykaymax. I was making a joke. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Absent-Minded_Professor
Kallium
144
Jul 28, 2017
vanmmyers> The problem is, factory farms do throw it out.
No, they really don't. As much of the animal is used as possible. I'm not sure where the hides from most US-raised cattle are processed but they aren't typically tossed out. Hide, skin and leather from the US comprises multi-billion dollars worth of exports.
I don't mean to argue about the ethical or environmental issues of leather but we should try to operate with good data.
vanmmyers
143
Jul 28, 2017
KalliumIt is too caked in feces to be used in many us farms. The feces stains the skin making it unusable.
user73
339
Jul 28, 2017
kittykatmaxI think you've taught people more about yourself in this thread, than you have about the Is and Is Not's of leather. Maybe dial it back some.
Kallium
144
Jul 29, 2017
vanmmyersAgain, no. That's simply not true. There are many different grades of hides and leather. They are sorted and different parts are utilized for different applications. Basically, the animal rendering industry is highly optimized to use as much of the animal as possible. 'Poop stains' is far from a show stopper in hide production.
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