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Smallchangerain
28
Sep 27, 2017
Are these sharp? If not can they be sharpened effectively?? Iwas looking for a chisel knife and these might be a good solution.
MountainPass
223
Sep 27, 2017
SmallchangerainFrom the description: "They also feature a clipped edge to make jimmying the lever easier and reduce the risk of damage from a sharp corner." I think this means they are purposely designed to not be sharp.
dkjnvldjrvnldrgz
49
Sep 29, 2017
SmallchangerainAt 45 HRC it wouldn't make a good knife
ThisGuy7
27
Nov 19, 2017
SmallchangerainThey can be sharpened. It would require a great deal of work if you didn’t own a grind wheel.
Haikudetat
9
Nov 21, 2017
SmallchangerainI own this blade from Morakniv, it’s probanly what you’re looking for, I edc it at work. Morakniv Craftline Carpentry Chisel with Carbon Steel Blade, 3.0-Inch https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00T3ES1SC/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_urcfAbEFJV44C
TheIzzardKing
359
Jan 11, 2018
Smallchangeraindon't settle for crap get the CRKT M.A.K 1, great knife and tool, a few faces come pre sharpened and i suggest you learn how to use it before you mess with it or need to use it in an actual emergency, the sharpened edge is only one one side of the blade and is on the reverse side so when you are cutting a seatbelt or backpack off of someone the sharpened edge is always facing away from them, it's an excellent knife for what it's meant to do, also the chisel aspect is great as well, you could a chin up off this thing and it wouldn't deform, can't say the same for the $12 mora mentioned above and don't get me wrong moras are great knives for the money but it's just that for the money, there lots of better knives on the market than anything mora makes, just not for the money, so for value based choices i'll recommend mora all day long but if someone is actually looking for a good tool that they maybe putting theirs or someone else lives on the lines with I'll typically have to recommend something else. https://www.bladehq.com/item--CRKT-MAK1-McGowan-Fixed--6565
NTTD
75
Nov 27, 2019
HaikudetatI second that knife for the use case that @Smallchangerain was mentioning. I use it when I'm doing wood projects, nice to have on hand.
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NTTD
75
Jan 13, 2020
TheIzzardKingSure in some ways that M.A.K.-1 knife is "better" than the "$12 mora" you mentioned. But the use case you mentioned "...cutting a seatbelt or backpack off someone..." is not a normal use case for the general public. Don't know about you, but I've never had to cut a seatbelt or backpack off of anyone, and likely never will. Plus you're comparing a woodworker's tool to a first responder's tool. Completely different use cases. A chisel has a wedged single bevel much different than common knives. Hence when @Smallchangerain was asking for a "chisel knife" @Haikudetat answered with what is literally a chisel knife. While I do not EDC that Morakniv, that doesn't mean it's not a good tool and wouldn't be a great EDC tool for someone else. That being said I really like that M.A.K.-1 knife, hadn't seen that one before. Wish they weren't discontinued. I'm a big fan of CRKT, have WAY too many of their knives. :)
TheIzzardKing
359
Feb 5, 2020
NTTD...who the hell is talking about wood working tools in the comment section of a breacher bar set? lol you're right that i'm talking about a completely different use case other than carving wood as who the hell would be looking at a breacher bar set with wood carving in mind? a mora no matter how you slice it is a terrible replacement/suggestion as a rescue tool, breacher bars are used a lot in automobile accidents and by the same token being able to cut a seatbelt is probably a good thing...breacher bars being sold here and the mak knife are EDC but are not every day use, you should have a seat belt cutter in your vehicle in order to be prepared even if you will never use it and hope to never use it. i'm sorry but the mora is a terrible suggestion as a EDC IN THIS CONTEXT, maybe not so much if your just talking about regular knives but we're not, we're talking about specialized tools that people EDC and as such the MAK knife is far superior as a specialized EDC tool over this breacher bar set and/or a mora. honestly man, it's really kinda stupid to think someone is looking at this breacher bar set and thinking about carving wood or normal knife type things. lol. before i had my family, i did mountian rescue and was a professional ski patroller, the mak knife was a great tool for what it was designed to do and as i said in my first post here, the mora's are great knives for the money, i have nothing against the mora's, just use the right tool for the job, the mak is a better knife than the mora as a rescue/entry tool.
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reswright
3850
Feb 5, 2020
TheIzzardKing"...who the hell is talking about wood working tools in the comment section of a breacher bar set? " Well, the OP for starters. He asked about chisel knives. Situational awareness for the win.
reswright
3850
Feb 5, 2020
NTTDCRKT never met a knife they couldn't make out of bad steel. The MAK is made out of 3Cr13MoV and they still want 80 bucks for it at a discount knife store. They lost their way as a business a while ago if you ask me, and now they just build everything on the cheap. This is just my opinion, but: people who sell 'rescue tools' are kinda selling fantasies of heroism to 45% of their customers, fear to another 45%, and rescue tools to the remaining 10%, who are first responders. For every one person who might use them, you're selling it to nine other people. That's the rough demographic breakdown of people plonking down money for rescue tools. Some people will probably not like hearing that said, but going by the numbers, if anything, I'm being generous with the number of people who put these things to use. Like you said, most of them go unused. I understand the fear of people getting trapped in their car underwater and need a seatbelt cutter and a glass breaker before they drive anyplace, I just think it's misplaced. I get the 'well, might as well have it just in case', I get the Boy Scout approach, I like people who plan ahead, but the fear response is silly. Like, in 19th century England there was this brief craze of people worrying that they might possibly get mistaken for dead, and buried alive, and the thought of waking up buried in a casket, only to suffocate, was so gripping upon the national subconscious that people sold little bell kits with a line running from a bell set up on the surface through a tiny hole in the casket to your dead hand, so when a not-dead person gets mistakenly buried alive they could pull the string, ring the bell, and be rescued from their horrible horrible fate. This put minds at ease, and the people who patented the bell design made a TON of money, which is somewhat darkly amusing to me, and indicative of how our human minds work when it comes to managing risk -- if something is exceptionally scary, it doesn't matter to us whether it's extremely unlikely, to the point where we end up exposing ourselves more to the genuine risks around us in the name of warding off the unlikely ones that have captured our imagination. 'So?' you might say. 'If they worried about being buried alive and this put their minds at ease, what's your issue?' I don't think there was a single recorded instance of someone being saved from being buried alive by ringing one of these bells. But there were any number of cases when some natural cause or another caused one of the bells to accidentally ring in the presence of a mourner, or they were so distraught that they imagined it -- so there'd be a frantic effort to dig up the casket and when they got it open of course the dude was still dead and rotting and smelly and intensely traumatic to see when you're hoping to see a living face, against all odds. After a while of this, people stopped buying the bell kits.
TheIzzardKing
359
Feb 6, 2020
reswrightasking about chisel knives in the comments section of a rescue/entry tool thread.... do you really think OP was looking at these breacher bars to chisel wood? are you guys actually this stupid? lol
reswright
3850
Feb 6, 2020
TheIzzardKingTo answer your first question; I actually had no particular presumption as to what OP intended to cut with their ‘chisel knife’. I just correctly parsed those words when I read their question. But yeah, people ask beginner questions like that all the time in places like this, to the point that pretending they don’t seems an insecure affectation, and not so much the testament of personal acumen which you may have been going for. Back to the point; do I know that the answer to OP’s question is no and that they are two very different items and why? I happen to know this. Does OP? It kinda sounds like they might not, and that is why they probably asked that question. You make it sound ridiculous to ask, but many wouldn’t know the answer unless they asked. As to your question about whether we are all ‘this stupid’? Rest assured that we all are, fella. The real question is, do you know that includes you? Because It kinda sounds like you might not. :)
Smallchangerain
28
Mar 11, 2020
TheIzzardKingYeah so I haven't checked the comment section since I got the definitive answer that they are a low hardness, and wouldn't be a good chisel knife. I asked because it looked like a similar profile to the chisel knives I had considered (including the mora) and as I am new at this, and to this community, I thought I would reach out. I don't see why you are taking other's opinion's so personally, and no I'm not stupid for asking. Smart people ask when they don't know. Some of us are here to learn, and defer to the expertise of others. You clearly haven't absorbed any info from my OP, so I'm not going to bother telling you that I bought the morakniv, and love it to death and use it all the time in my shop (whoops). I already own a seat belt cutting tool that lives on my key chain, and primarily gets used to open packages, and as yet hasn't had to cut a seatbelt or backpack strap, and likely never will. (Made by CRKT if that pleases you). Thanks to other who helped point me in the right direction without being condescending.
NTTD
75
Mar 11, 2020
TheIzzardKing@TheIzzardKing said: "i'm sorry but the mora is a terrible suggestion as a EDC IN THIS CONTEXT" In the context OF THE THREAD WE ARE IN RIGHT NOW, where the OP asked SPECIFICALLY about a "chisel knife", I told him about what I find to be a decent chisel knife. Since context and meaning seem to escape you, I specifically did NOT recommend the Morakniv as an EDC tool. However I'm sure I have no idea how OP (or anyone else for that matter) are going to use their knife. What works for one, may not work for another. Let me rephrase what I said (repeated below for convenience). I do not carry it, but that does not mean that it would not be a great EDC tool for someone else (I used a double negative there, hope you follow me). @NTTD said: "While I do not EDC that Morakniv, that doesn't mean it's not a good tool and wouldn't be a great EDC tool for someone else."
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NTTD
75
Mar 11, 2020
reswright@reswright $50 is my general cap on knives. Honestly I think people have blown the steel thing WAY out of proportion. I'm so sick of steel elitists droning on incessantly about why "X" steel is "the best" or no "Y" steel is "SO MUCH better". For most people and most use cases almost any steel will make a decent usable knife. Pocket knives are not production tools. There's no reason to overspend for high end steel. If you use blades constantly for your profession, e.g. chef, wood carver, then steel type will make a difference. For occasional use tools that spend most of their time in a pocket or drawer, steel type makes little real world difference.
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reswright
3850
Mar 12, 2020
NTTDy'all broke out the shock paddles on this thread
TheIzzardKing
359
Apr 19, 2020
reswrightyou mean broke out the circlejerk. lol just because you use the wrong tool for the job doesn't make it right, not all things are created equal, use the right bloody tool for the job. a sharpened rock can chisel wood, it doen't mean it's best practice ffs. lol. man this site has been flooded with mall ninja idiots in the last few years.
Smallchangerain
28
Apr 19, 2020
TheIzzardKingRight, that's why I asked, so I could learn.