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Fisher Chrome/TiNi Infinium Space Pen

Fisher Chrome/TiNi Infinium Space Pen

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I own a half dozen Fisher pens and swear by them. Sorry, I'll have to pass on this one.
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Makes sense. I just thought maybe he thought it was a bad deal compared to the advantages it offered.
stoutdog
It isn't that different from what I already own and it is more expensive than they were.
This is an awesome company with an even better product!
What's special about this, other than the "space pen" aspect of it? I see a $30-40 pen here...including the coated ones.
Ziglaf
Bigger ink capacity than standard Bullet pens, "free" ink replacements for life (but you have to pay for shipping).
"The Astronaut-Tested Pen That Writes for Life" or you can just buy a pencil or many many pencils for that money
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whatever his point was, it's probably one that needs to be sharpened every few hours, as opposed to one that lasts a lifetime and can go to space and back.
AussieMick
You might be surprised to know that pencils were actually extremely risky to use on a spacecraft... graphite particles tend to cause explosions.... the wood particles were also at risk of causing a fire... as you can imagine when paired with oxygen rich system, it doesn't end well! Not to mention a pencil is hardly permanent, they could be modified and smeared easily!
I wish Fisher would make a legitimate titanium pen - not just this plated stuff...
seizure
Agree. There are quite a few solid titanium pens in that price range.. no idea why Ti-coated brass warrants an $80 price tag.
seizure
Most high end titanium pens come with Fisher cartridges, or usually fit them
Cool. I don't think I've ever seen the original Fisher AG-7 pop up here though, which is surprising. I thought it'd be more popular considering it was the pen that was actually procured by NASA, and also has a unique and satisfying click mechanism.
Daisy_Cutter
Yes I agree I wished they offered that one.
Nice option to be able to choose black ink, but do they come with a fine point? The Medium point refill for the regular Bullet blotch, while the Fine is ...fine. Have replaced the refills in all my Bullets to Fine, so if there is no refill in these I would need an option to choose the point size.
Didn't go through the thread, so I don't know if anyone else has said this, but....
This pen is massive compared to the regular space pen. I got one of these for my wife and we both immediately disliked it. Despite the fact that this might be one of the best flowing ball points we've ever used. The size was just too off for us to enjoy. Went back to Amazon after three weeks off hemming and hawing about it. Which was a bit of a shame cause whoever was selling them was only selling for $50 bucks! Guess it was mistake cause after I returned it, it was back up to 150. Oh well. Would have just sat here gathering dust....guess maybe I should have sold it on ebay...anyhoo...yeah, big. unruly.
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enero
wow that is a big difference..i guess if you didnt want a bullet style it would be nice. but then it would be too small for a full size carry. too bad.
I’m not seeing 4x more value than a $20 Bullet.
72.44 on sears.com and free shipping.
Definitely just a gimmick advantage over a regular Fisher Space Pen for many users, but a pretty crazy one at that! Does it come with a guarantee to supply a replacement for free if you manage to run out of ink within 50y or something?
nameless
Well, here's the spacepen site's info about the lifetime guarantee for Repair or Replacement: http://www.spacepen.com/return-policy.aspx
I've used the service twice and paying for the shipping is the one part you have to cover, fwiw. So, for this instance - I'm not sure if the vendor is Fisher or some distributor, however, when you want to get some issue taken care of, you'd contact Fisher and let them know the details, and they should say that it's covered. It's been a no-questions-asked policy as far as my experiences have been. I tell 'em the reasons why there's an issue though, just for kicks.
And the text of that page: "

REPAIR OR REPLACEMENT

At Fisher Space Pen Co. we stand behind our products and our pens are guaranteed against all manufacturing defects.
If your Fisher Space Pen or your Fisher Space Pen Cartridge malfunctions, please send your item and all of the parts to us for repair or replacement via USPS 1st Class Mail. (Please be advised that USPS postal equipment tears an ordinary envelope and unprotected items are lost). Upon receipt, your Fisher Space Pen product will be thoroughly inspected by our Quality Control Department to determine the cause of the malfunction and your repair or replacement will ship via standard shipping within three weeks at no cost to you.  (During the holiday season from Thanksgiving through the New Year, this time period may be extended to four weeks from date of receipt)
We cannot be responsible for an item that is lost or damaged due to inadequate packaging and recommend that you insure your shipment in case of loss in transit.
To return your item, please follow the instructions below:
1. Securely package the item in a small box 2. Include your Order Number (if you have one), Name, Mailing Address,Telephone Number and Email Address  3. Send to: 
Attention: Consumer Services Fisher Space Pen Co. 711 Yucca Street Boulder City NV 89005
If you have any questions or need further assistance, please email our Consumer Service department at weborders@spacepen.com or call 702-293-3011 between the hours of 7:00 a.m. and 4:00 p.m. Monday through Friday.
At Fisher Space Pen Co. we seek to continually improve our products. Thank you for giving us the opportunity to correct the issue with your Fisher Space Pen product."
nameless
hey its titanium.....kind of.
Just to be clear, the $150 MSRP listed is for the TiNi model which costs extra on the drop, so it should be $89/$120 MSRP or $119/$150 MSRP.
Also, although the lifetime claim is a bit iffy depending on how much you write, Fisher's lifetime *guarantee* is pretty serious. We had a very, very old Bullet (about 30 years old) and it got beaten up and left in a damp environment uncapped, so it corroded a bit. I contacted Fisher and asked about purchasing a replacement part to get it in working order. Despite explaining that this was most certainly not *normal* wear and tear, they shipped us a brand-new pen after we sent it in. This is a company that stands behind their products.
justinmrkva
My dad gave me a normal blue one like 20 years ago. Still writes and I haven't changed out the pen. Case is still solid too actually. :) Best pen ever.
justinmrkva
good to know...most dont understand customer service and standing behind a product.....getting rarer and rarer in this disposable generation.
Are these still brass coated with Chrome or TiNi like the standard space pens are?
Wish they would just make a 100% copper or 100% titanium.
anonomous
I would imagine that they're still made with a shell of brass, and then either a chrome finish or the color of TiNi (or combo of TiNi and chrome) which you select is the coating.
Soooo, mentioned earlier that the Infinium was pretty much just a newer-named version of the Magnum Bullet/Millennium/2010/Mars spacepens, but I rediscovered (an old email with) another response from Fisher, when I had asked them about it - apparently they did have an interesting difference initially:
"For the most part yes – There was a brief period of time several years back where we changed how these pens were made from having their barrels filled with ink & pressurized to instead having a large ink refill cartridge inside that was non-removable by the end user, however that change only lasted a couple of years and we have since switched back to filling the barrels themselves and pressurizing the entire pen. The primary differences between the former Mars/Milleniums and the current Infiniums is that the Infiniums all feature a new emblem on the back and they all say ‘Infinium’ down the front of the pocket clip."
I forgot that they said they had a large replaceable ink refill cartridge at one time that wasn't removable by the end user - wonder if many of those are out in the wild? And then, I figure it was a deal where you'd send it back to Fisher for a replacement cartridge. And wonder if they still use the large refill cartridges in other pens or if that idea for a refill was scrapped? Just thinkin' visibly - I could probably ask 'em if I really wanted answers/insight.
Also, I found the references to how long the ink supply was supposed to last - my memory was fuzzy and messed up what the values were. Instead of thinking the ink supply lasted 80 times longer than the average refill, or about 50 years for the average writer, I believe this (cached archive of a webpage) was where I got the idea way back when: http://web.archive.org/web/20031002061317/http:/www.thewritersedge.com/fisher.millennium.cfm "They will each write a continuous line over 30 miles long which is enough ink to last the average person over 80 YEARS!" Now, if you take that distance value with the idea from the company's owner (quoted in a separate comment) that they quote the lower part of the range though they've had linear write-outs of longer distances, then 80 years for an average writer could be a conservative estimate, which is pretty impressive. When my second Millennium finally was sent back, it could've been because I knew that the Millennium had such a large supply of ink that I liked doodling and drawing the diz character Goofy's portrait so much (which used a lot of black ink), which helped the pen to actually run out of ink quicker than usual...
Plus, from that page, I was reminded of the Millennium II pens as well (they had different finishes), and you can see the Magnum Bullet spacepen name - see? I wasn't makin' it up, lol. And separately, here's the cache of the specific page where I got my Magnum (though I got it for $1 less - maybe they lowered the price a year later?): http://web.archive.org/web/19971012224155/http:/www.elitescribe.com/p15a.htm
So at one time, they wanted to call it the Magnum Bullet, yet it was referred to as the Millennium as a name which stuck for a while, even though that name's not actually on the barrel. The name which IS on the various incarnations (even on the Infinium)? The 2010 Fisher Spacepen. Or actually, "2010 Space Pen by Fisher", though it seems I'm used to combining the words 'space' and 'pen', apparently. Just fyi. :D
Well, I'm havin' fun lookin' back at the history of the Millennium pens - how 'bout a screencap of a cache of the What's New page from Fisher, the way it looked back in Jun '97 (& which archive is now not displaying properly anymore - funny that even caches or archives are also temporary)? Got that image/'cap added of the now-defunct page: http://web.archive.org/web/19970601150025/http://www.spacepen.com/page1.htm
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Later emails to Fisher Space Pen folks who didn't work there back then said they didn't know the history of the Millennium Space Pen, and that they never saw any images where the Millennium was shown clipless. Whatcha notice from the page? Just curious what ya might pick up on - fun times for webpages back then, huh? Well, not sure how long this comment page'll be around, but thought I'd add a bunch of background info about the Infinium and its predecessors which probably haven't been all in one place online before. Just for the fun o' it.
And forgot to mention that the Infiniums have the emblem on back. Well, as ya were...
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Hope it all helps! Happened to have info about this drop which I thought I could share of which others might not be aware, in case they were interested.
Also, that "What's New" Fisher Space Pen page I uploaded got resized to where folks might not be able to read it, and I saw that it's probably an automatically-generated deal. Looking at the url, I removed the sizing parameters, so I think that, if they click on the following url, it'll let folks see the page at the original resolution.
Actually, not sure if I'm allowed to link to the larger version of the file, however, you can see it there, fwiw: http://j.mp/FisherSpacePenWhatIsNew_1Jun97 :)
okester
thanks for the insight and story. good read.
Does anyone know mm of the line it produces?
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jbui
I tried someones and it looked about the same as a standard Fisher M... whatever size that actually is.
Those are thick lines. Thanks!
I can't quite tell, is there a clip that comes with this ?
Ashmadai
Well, the description page here says what it says at the spacepen site: "Clip is permanently attached" The clip has the word "INFINIUM" vertically down it.
(Add-on comment...) However, I brought it up to the folks there at the spacepen site (via email, when the Infinium first was available) that, really, the clip can be removed - it can slide on and off the back end - and their response was that, well, while it can be removed, it's not intended to be removable, and when doing so, it'll scratch the barrel.
Well, I had a chrome bullet spacepen before I got the chrome Magnum bullet spacepen (Millennium), and as it's chrome over brass, as a daily driver pocket pen, I realized it'd get scratched, so I wasn't bothered if the clip scratches the barrel when removing it or spinning it around the barrel (I set it to where the clip is between the words 'USA' and '2010' on the barrel). Attached is the one I've had for over 7.5 years, fwiw. It's gained "character marks"... :)
I believe though, if I had opted for one with a black titanium nitride finish, then maybe I'd be more picky about keepin' its finish looking presentable or whatever, since ya hafta pay more just for the finish, so there's that... But I didn't initially spend much (relatively-speaking), and don't recall that that TiNi option was even available. The one I got in '98, from an online retailer no longer in business, was over $9 less than the lowest drop price here to get it shipped to me, and I've only paid to ship the 2 returns back. So next year, I'll have had one for 20 years, or it's cost me just over $4 a year for the chrome. And... Not sure where I was goin' with this. Oh yeah, so I didn't pay (too) much for the chrome, and knew it'd get scratched, but figured it'd be a dependable pen to have around anyway, so I valued its usefulness over its looks.
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okester
Thanks , yea i saw it was written in the description but i couldn't see it in the photo, now I do after reading your recap there. Thanks!
I keep one in my car. It's been in use for several years.
Probably overkill for most. I carried a regular pocket Fisher for years. Lost it in my house and found it years later. Still wrote fine with the original cartridge and is still going.
I do not use it often but it always writes when asked. If it does run out of it, I have the the one I bought to replace the lost one.
How is one cartridge of ink to last a lifetime?
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I am not saying I don't understand why a larger pen with greater capacity would cost more, I am just wondering why it is a 6X increase over the original product.
Detex
I realize that ya might've wanted a possible answer or at least wondered about the cost almost a year ago, so folks have left ya hanging for a spell, yet I thought I'd find a way to maybe possibly explain and/or justify the cost difference.
Since this drop's inactive, I forget the price which the base model Infiniums went for here, but I figure I can recalculate it from what I wrote before... Since I know I paid $74 for my Magnum Bullet Spacepen/Millennium back in '98, plus $7 shipping, for a total of $81, and previously said - https://www.massdrop.com/buy/fisher-infinium-space-pen/talk/1790961 - I paid over $9 less than the lowest drop here, then I suppose the base model Infinium drop was over $90 here? So the "original product" you were referring to was possibly a $15 original chrome bullet space pen? Aside - I think that, if you can find an original for that price, then you're doin' well (though I do remember them for around $18 at a Staples or Office Depot at one time...)! :D
Anyway, I decided to attempt to figure out the ink amounts or, at least, the difference in the ink capacity, between the medium point PR1 pressurized space pen ink cartridge - https://www.spacepen.com/blueinkmediumpointspacepenpressurizedrefill.aspx - and the Infinium, where I'm using the write-out distance of over 30 miles (referenced from an old cache of a webpage for the Millennium - https://www.massdrop.com/buy/fisher-infinium-space-pen/talk/1790989) or the lower value of 37 miles from a range of write-outs (from an email about the linear write-out of the Millennium, which would be comparable - https://www.massdrop.com/buy/fisher-infinium-space-pen/talk/1790186).
The PR1 can lay down a line for 15,000 feet. The Infinium is essentially a larger ink refill with a cap and clip, and using the specific value of 37 miles, that converts to 37 miles times 5,280 feet/mile, or 195,360 feet. If one were to divide the number of feet of ink which the Infinium could write by the distance the PR1 could write, then that's 13+ times more or farther. If you just used 30 miles for the Infinium's write-out, that's 158,400 feet, or 10.5+ times longer than what the PR1 refill can do.
Sooo... If you were to compare the price (from Fisher Space Pen's site) of the PR1 refill ($6.50) with the price at their site of the Infinium ($120), then you'd get roughly the same order of magnitude, where $120/$6.50 is about 18.5 times more, or possibly on the high side.
However, if you were comparing the price of an original $15 bullet space pen with a $90 Infinium space pen, then, while you would be paying 6 times more, you'd be getting an ink supply that's 10 to 13 times more, and possibly, by lookin' at it that way, $90's a better price than, say, paying strictly for the equivalent capacity of ink (though, with less metal than 13 ink refills), which is $15x13=$195. Even if you were paying for a chrome bullet space pen ($26) from the Fisher site - https://www.spacepen.com/chromebullet.aspx - and decide that the price of the Infinium should only be just 10 times more (for 10 times the ink capacity), then the Infinium should be $26x10=$260. Whoa. One thing left out of the cost comparison is not taking into account the wholesale costs; just making comparisons with values I know.
Long story longer? Paying 6 times more seems like a good deal. As always, ymmv. :)
Again, just my pair o' Zinc Linc's, which won't even get ya an ounce of unleaded gasoline.
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