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kathleen7700
4
May 4, 2017
I have issues with intentional consumer fraud, bait and switch schemes and censorship when MassDrop does not like what their customers are writing. If the customer is making it up they would have a case for liable/defamation. I would not put myself in that position and this is not the case. The case is a bait and switch scheme by MassDrop who failed to disclose pertinent information regarding what the customer will receive and what they led the customer to believe what he would receive. I'm holding the evidence in my hand and the deceptive photos from MassDrop on my computer. Lets go to court and let a judge and jury figure it out.
kathleen7700Hey there, I'm​ the product manager for the Massdrop side of the TH-X00. The gap you're seeing is an intentional part of the design and engineering of this product. It's present in every pair of TH-X00s, as well as TH-600s, TH-900s, and the old Denon line of headphones that utilized this platform.
kathleen7700
4
May 5, 2017
WillThanks for the "help" Will. Already been mentioned hundred of pages back. I don't believe it. I would not believe it until I see a full price pair in the store from an authorized dealer. The TH-x00's don't matter since I assume this is what MassDrop is assembling. IF you are infact a manager please correct me if I am wrong. I futher assume the "TH-600s and TH-900's are Fostex products? If so that is what I would be interested in seeing. Like I say, the gap appears to serve no purpose other than to simply mating the cups to the metal with much closer tolerances requiring more skill. I find it hard to believe. It is ugly, it is unfinished, there appears to be no functional purpose for it. It is not for venting as mentioned earlier except where the vent is cut which may serve dual purpose for hinge as well. I just find this very hard to believe based on my comment above but than I have not bothered to go to an authorized dealer to look at and don't have the incentive, inclination or desire to do so.
kathleen7700
4
May 5, 2017
jxliuThank you jxliu: The sites and photos you listed do show for the most part the gaps being discussed which I can see mostly on the top of the cup where you can see through. Now I am somewhat believing they all have this gap statement for the prior 100 people.
What irritates me again, is the fact that it appears to me that MassDrop went out of their way to hide this gap as the photos they choose to post on their site are not near as revealing as the photos you linked and posted. If there is a shadow it simply hides the gap and is a useless picture for what we are discussing.
I did not notice a glaring white unfinished wood in any of the photos you posted as my photos reveal, rather the photos you posted appear to have the gap finished.
Thank you for your help.
kathleen7700
4
May 5, 2017
WillWill: If you have been following this, the pictures posted by Jxliu definitely show a gap which is clearly visible on various models. Back to my point made numerous times. The 11 photos MassDrop has posted depict a huge difference regarding gap and finish versus what I received. Look at MassDrop (MD) photo 11 depicts not as much gap, (photos can be somewhat deceptive) versus actual visual inspection. My other point, no question about MD photo 11 gap is finished not only stained but appears to be lacquered as well. Mine are clearly unfinished gap simply routed out displaying unstained as well as unlacquered mahogany.
Not trying to make MD out as a criminal enterprise but if you honest about it, it is not hard to see my point. Who knows what the intent was, hasn't gone that far but as I have said hundreds of times MD showed a and I got z. Still unsatisfied with this issue and still unresolved at this point.
Sorry for the drama but it bugs me. Also bugs me when certain customers, employees whatever such as Ameba decide to make his "help" personal and start taking cheap shots. It's a two way street and only goes down hill from there. No point to have a conversation if it has deteriorated to name calling. I hope he is able to eventually able to grow a pair, mature and control his temper when angered like a real man and not resort to inappropriate remarks as he has made like a child. Grow up sonny boy, someday you will mature into a real man.
kathleen7700Hey there, all Massdrop employees have a blue boarder around their image and posts, as you can see on both my and jxliu's profiles. amoeba1126 is a contributing community member, not a Massdrop employee.
The gap between the earcup and the baffle is visible in most of the photographs on the product page. Here's a link to one where it's especially clear: https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/fostex-x-massdrop-th-x00/MD-35967_20170306120622_82f83b0dd6e3f885.jpg?auto=format&fm=jpg&fit=crop&w=955&dpr=1
If you feel the gap in your pair is larger than it should be, please measure it with calipers (if you have them, a ruler will work if not) and post a picture as a reply to this post. We can compare your gap to the samples in our office, or the pair I have on my desk at home. Looking at the pictures you posted earlier, the gap seems the same as on all TH-X00s I've handled, but feel free to post measurements and we'll compare.
As far as the finish goes, the inside of the ear cups are not finished. The lacquer stops at the edge of the cup. Lacquering the inside of the cup would have a negative impact on the acoustics as well as increasing the cost for no benefit. This is the same on all samples and production TH-X00 units.
kathleen7700
4
May 5, 2017
WillWill:
I find your remarks ridiculous. Nice to know that Massdrop employees have a blue boarder around their name. Does this preclude "other people" acting on behalf of Massdrop that do not have a "blue boarder" around their name. You refer to the perfect world and the way things are suppose to work versus reality. Kinda like you saying if there is not a blue boarder around a persons name there is absolutely no connection to Massdrop in the various billion different ways there can be a connection. The most blatant and obvious are the comments posted repeatedly defending Massdrop and encouraging purchases rather than no purchase.
Your comments about the caliper. Yes I have one, it is used every day. I suggest many times and have been ignored. Why not do the obvious? Use the 11 pictures posted by Massdrop and do a side by side comparison to pictures I posted. Very simple. Massdrop and/or none of its employees will do it because it shows the obvious. Massdrop's pictures depict something completly different that what I was led to believe I was buying and what I received. ORdered and paid for a steak and got a hamburger. The pictures will speak for themselves, what are your scared of doing this side by side comparison? I am not wasting my time with a caliper and photos unless I find myself going to court. Your refusal to post my pictures and the same photos used on MD's site speaks for itself, and the crap you are pulling.
I never spoke about a finish "inside of the ear cups". This is a ridiculous statement by you. Either you have not read what I have wrote or your playing games. I have been very specific about the unfinished area I speaking of and "hint, it is not inside the cup".
I wish MD employees and MD's fans would stop attempting to state things which are not at issue and which I have not stated simply to attempt to confuse the situation, blah, blah blah, I gues this is what MD pays people to do sad, it's kinda a neat site with a few exceptions.
DenonFanboy
825
May 6, 2017
kathleen7700
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Completely normal, the light u are using in your photo's makes it look wayyyyyyy worse then what it is. If u don't like them u can sell it on Ebay/Craigslist for 100% of your money back, good luck finding a better closed headphone for 400$. The rest of us really appreciate Massdrop for selling us a better Th600 at half the money.
VenoXj1
36
May 6, 2017
kathleen7700Seriously kathleen? Just have a look at the last two pictures Massdrop has listed for the x00's and you'll find out that you can clearly see the gap. Can you just stop with your childish behavior and just be quiet? The gap is by default and it is designed just like we can see on your pictures. How can you be so ignorant to not accepting that?
kathleen7700
4
May 6, 2017
DenonFanboyDenonFanboy:
Another "MassDrop troll". MassDrop Troll: a large group of people most likely compensated "unofficially" by MassDrop whose sole purpose to to beat down any negative remarks from anyone regarding any MassDrop product while at the same time going past encouraging to coercive remarks to suggest, encourage a purchase by anyone prospective customer on the line. Sounds like questionable business practices but this is just my opinion based on my experience when I complained about an obvious flaw that was not depicted in photos or described in narrative.
MassDrop trolls make ridiculous statements that have nothing to do with what you/I am talking about. Anything to "derail the valid statements" a buyer or question prospective buyer has. Most of the time has nothing to do with your/my complaint as depicted in the long narrative when I made a negative comment about this being a bait and switch.
Unofficial form of "censorship" of free speech to make a profit from non disclosure, than stating how wonderful the product is. I never said I had an issue with the sound quality of the product but the numerous MD trolls have construed it into that and numerous other things it is not.
Like I stated at the beginning. Simple to resolve but MassDrop and trolls will not do it. Post my photos side by side to the photos MD shows as what you will receive. You will see there is a huge discrepancy regarding gap and finish. Paid for A but got Z(2nds with cosmetic flaws not depicted by MD).
See above the ridiculous statements DennonFanBoy (MassDrop Troll) is making. If u don't like them u can sell it on Ebay/Craigslist for 100% of your money back, good luck finding a better closed headphone for 400$. The rest of us really appreciate Massdrop for selling us a better Th600 at half the money.
I don't know what world DennonFanBoy lives in other than his fantasy world but good luck getting what you paid for them and explaining the unfinished gap that sticks out, not to mention your time. It's a loosing proposition everytime. Lucky to get half of what you paid for it, again not to mention the time required screwing with it.
Finally, DennonFanBoy's claim about the "lighting I am using". His quote: "Completely normal, the light u are using in your photo's makes it look wayyyyyyy worse then what it is". No FanBoy wrong again. The difference between my photos and MD's photos are that mine are not an attempt to deceive by purposefully avoiding shots which visually depict the cosmetic flaw. Adding to the deception by photographing a pair of phones whose (gap, joint) whatever you want to refer to it as is stained and finished. That being the case, that is what I would expect to receive from Mass Drop. Not the case.
My phones I received do not have a joint where wood meets metal as depicted. I have a large unfinished gap. Hence my comments about bait and switch, deceptive business practices, misrepresentation, etc. This complete narrative should be a example in legal text for a great example of "internet trolls", complete denial, misrepresentation, bait and switch.
According to DenonFanBoy the "magical lighting is representing the product in a "false light". Simple flourscent lighting which is common across the states FanBoy. No intent to deceive on my part. Let's go to court and see what they have to say. MD can bring the ones they depicted in their photos.
kathleen7700
4
May 6, 2017
VenoXj1Yes VenoXj1,, "Seriously". Just have a look at my photos and compare. Another MassDrop troll here to totally deny the obvious and toll the line for MD. I don't consider my behavior childish rather consider your stupid remarks childish. You cannot figure out if you don't want to see my remarks you simply do not read them. Some day VenoXj1 perhaps you will get a clue. I don't care about your input on the gap, I doubt if anyone else does but thanks for saving the day for MD and other trolls. How can you be so ignorant to not acknowledge factual pictures and narrative. Are you really so ignorant to believe that most likely there is bound to be variation within the same model like. Perhaps you received the best as depicted in MD's photos and I received the worse. But than your too ignorant to figure that out using your own words. Good job VenoXj1, MassDrop Troll.
kathleen7700
4
May 6, 2017
DenonFanboyDennonFanBoy:
In my opinion a much more appropriate name for you would be MassDropFanBoy. I hope you consider a name change which is much more fitting for you in my opinion.
VenoXj1
36
May 6, 2017
kathleen7700You know what? I just did and they look like mine have a look:
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I even used the flashlight from my S6 to get the worst lighting whatsoever. They look fucking normal. Here's one without the bad lighting and just "natural" lighting:
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It looks just like yours and if you can spot a difference I don't know what you're looking at.
kathleen7700
4
May 6, 2017
VenoXj1VenoXj1:
Are you the Federal Police here to stop me from voicing my concerns in the appropriate place? In addition, why don't you mind your own business as this is an issue between MD and I. I certainly don't give a crap about who you are, or what you have to say in this matter. It is very clear to me who you are due to the stance you have taken. What remains unclear to me is why you try to censor my remarks and act like it is required reading for you. I enjoy my rights here in the states and will exercise them as I please and see fit. Eventually, someday you should be able to grow a pair and understand since it seems it is beyond your comprehension at this point.
DenonFanboy
825
May 6, 2017
kathleen7700I provided you with a photo with the exact same gap size and 'flaw' and Will just explained to you that if the inside of the cup was stained with laquer it would have a negative effect on the sound, which is pretty obvious it would cause reflections.
VenoXj1
36
May 6, 2017
kathleen7700I just did what you wanted me to do. To have a look at your pictures and compare them and I even wanted to show you what they look like so you just can't call me out on that. Are you actually so salty to just verbally attack people on the internet just because they don't agree with you? You're so immature. Better call me troll instead of yourself. What are you even trying with your comments? To get a refund based on your harassment?
kathleen7700
4
May 6, 2017
VenoXj1VenoXj1:
You are the one that initiated this and made a request for me to stop voicing my opinion. I will not stop, best if you keep your remarks to yourself as I will not have you denigrate me valid remarks. This is subjective. What you see and interpret I really don't care. I see a big difference but I refuse to argue this point which is between MD and I with a lame ass like you. Let me say it again, I don't care what you see or think, this is between MD and I. I have no idea what a "flashlight from my S6" is and again don't give a crap. Lighting will suffice for any and all concerned I am sure. I like your descriptive narrative: "they look fucking normal". Again goes to your maturity.
Looks to me like yet another MassDrop Troll of 5,000/whatever the number was of comments in this narrative. Stop whinning to me about what I said. I don't know you, I don't want to know you and I don't give a crap about your S6 flashlight or your headphones. Has nothing to do with my issue other than you attempting to show your ignorance by attempting to dictate to me that yours phones are like this picture you posted so mine have to be the same. You really are an idiot. Give up while your ahead.
DenonFanboy
825
May 6, 2017
kathleen7700I wanna let u in on a little secret, the photo I posted isn't even my headphones, a quick google search and u see the gap everywhere. Research a product b4 u buy it.
kathleen7700
4
May 6, 2017
DenonFanboyMassDrop FanBoy: I have no idea what you are talking about inside of the cup not being stained or laquered. This was never part of the issue I mentioned. I am not looking at the picture you claimed you provided, if it has the exact same gap as my photos depict I don't get what your point is.
Would you like a gold star because the gap on your phones is the same as the gap on my phone or should we just sing combyal together. Again, I don't get it other that trying to interpret what you are stating which to me means that you are ok with the gap?? I really don't care if your ok with it or not. I am not ok with the gap on the phones I received and consider it misrepresentation.
Slight difference. I don't want to hurt your feelings since you seem like a sensitive guy but why on earth would you think I give a crap about the gap on your phones.
I am not ok with the unfinished gap on my phones. Due to the fact that the phones sound so well (typical Fostex) I am somewhat willing to overlook the fact. The issue has always been misrepresentation as the MassDrop photos and narrative do not explain what I received which I consider a bait and switch. This has nothing to do with sound from the phones.
kathleen7700
4
May 6, 2017
VenoXj1No just getting tired of the relentless MassDrop troll attack on me which has me explaining the same narrative over 100 times. And trolls that don't read the narrative enough to understand what my complaint is. They don't care, just here to interject their two cents.
kathleen7700
4
May 6, 2017
DenonFanboyThanks for your "letting us in on your little secret" MassDrop FanBoy. Whow, you really blew it open with that revelation. Again, who cares, I don't. Again, Guess your here to censor what I say because your a MassDrop Fan Boy.
kathleen7700
4
May 6, 2017
VenoXj1What transpires between MD and I is my business which I am not going to air out with people I don't know who are upset with me because I disagree with them and feel I am not entitled to state my situation in the appropriate forum. You should be asking yourself, why do you keep making remarks requiring responses?
VenoXj1
36
May 6, 2017
kathleen7700You are so smart, aren't you? If we all are just not smart enough to understand what your "problem" is than go ahead and call us out being stupid instead of explaining what your problem is. You're the one who's fucking trolling everyone around here. First of all the gap was a production error and now you agreed that the gap is by default and you still argue about what? All you said is that your gap differs and provided photos and I can tell they look like mine and everyone else who has provided pictures says the same as well. What is the problem with your gap? Tell us in detail since we are all too dumb to understand lmao.
kathleen7700
4
May 6, 2017
A fact is more that a belief. It is based on something you have actual experienced thus being a witness to what you experienced. Thus believing what you say. I believe off the top of my head a belief is neither proven or unproven versus a fact. Don't quote me as I'm sure the dictionary has a better definition.
Furthermore, I haven't seen any evidence that I'm wrong, only evidence as I posted that I am right. This narrative is full of people in denial for whatever reason, along with MDs refusal to post their product pictures side by side with my pictures (which would end this ridiculous narrative).
Have to ask yourself the most obvious question. Why won't MassDrop post their pictures side by side with my pictures. Kinda like they don't want to state the obvious. I am right in every thing I stated. Bait and switch tactics. Again, very very simple it MassDrop had any inclination to be honest about it. Post their pictures and my pictures side by side, with the key being not to alter any of the photos.
kathleen7700
4
May 6, 2017
VenoXj1Wow! Just defending myself and statements VenoXj1 which you obviously have a problem with. My problem has been explained numerous times. If you are at this point and don't know what my issue is,, sorry to say it leads me to believe your are in fact "stupid" to use your words. If "my fucking trolling everyone around here" according refers to my responding to comments made to me and defending my remarks than yes, in your words I guess I would be "fucking trolling everyone around here". I suggested a while ago to stop while your ahead but I can see you will not stop and need to be corrected more.
Again, quoting you: " First of all the gap was a production error and now you agreed that the gap is by default and you still argue about what? All you said is that your gap differs and provided photos and I can tell they look like mine and everyone else who has provided pictures says the same as well. What is the problem with your gap? Tell us in detail since we are all too dumb to understand lmao".
This is my problem as you have stated. The obvious gap is a production error which everyone on this site and Massdrop included will not admit. Thanks for your support. You made my argument for me. How do you know this? Is this your opinion or do you have personal knowledge that it is in fact a production error. Not to state the obvious but my photos show it is an obvious production error again which everyone has including MD has denied and failed to disclose. I thought I was buying a steak, paid for a steak and got a hamburger.
You have not done the required reading to be making the statements you are making. Again, quoting you "all you said is that your gap differs and provided photos and I can tell they look like mine, and everyone else who has provided pictures says the same as well". Again, it appears you have choosen to jump in without reading my original complaint which I am not going to waste my time with you since it does not matter. My issue is with MD not you. I have issues with the gap on my cans since it was not disclosed to me by MD in narrative or photos. Nobody cares about you and your cans as long as you don't try to have MD refund your money, than you may run into issues. On thing MD does disclose is their "no refunds" policy.
Hate to be rude VenoXj1 because I'm sure your such a swell guy but your wasting my time by taking what I said out of context which appears because you have not read the narrative. I you like your gap, good for you, MD is laughing at you and others since they pawned a hambuger off as a steak and charged everyone for a steak.
VenoXj1
36
May 6, 2017
kathleen7700Well the gap is just right to let air escape to make it a closed can but semi sealed. It's just their design and not a production error just because you don't find that appealing.
kathleen7700
4
May 6, 2017
VenoXj1VEnoXj1:
This is comical. Now your are contradicting yourself from prior statements. "Well the gap is just right to let air escape to make it a closed can but semi sealed. It's just their design and not a production error just because you don't find that appealing".
The gap has nothing to do with venting or as you put it "to let the air escape". There would have to be a hole/vent to let the air escape. Venting cannot be achieved through a solid wood to metal friction fit which is the way these cans are designed with the exception of the vent/hinge point mentioned earlier in this narrative. I will post your two contradicting statements below.
"First of all the gap was a production error and now you agreed that the gap is by default and you still argue about what? All you said is that your gap differs and provided photos and I can tell they look like mine and everyone else who has provided pictures says the same as well. What is the problem with your gap? Tell us in detail since we are all too dumb to understand lmao".
VenoXj11 2m kathleen7700Well the gap is just right to let air escape to make it a closed can but semi sealed. It's just their design and not a production error just because you don't find that appealing.
First you call it a production error and a few minutes in your next post you contradict yourself stating the gap is just right to let air escape to make it a closed can but semi sealed. It's just their design and not a production error.
Get a grip, obviously you don't know what your talking about. I would pick one or the other but contradicting yourself makes you look bad.
VenoXj1
36
May 6, 2017
kathleen7700I didn't call it a production error? I stated your bullshit with that. You stating it being a production error and then after some time you posted a comment where you actually said something like " We are all in agreement that there is a designed gap. " and kept going with your shit. Don't put my words just like you want them to be. Read my comment again for like a couple of times and maybe slower. You might understand what I was trying to say. How can't this gap be a vent? Did you actually remove the cup and have a look yourself? How is that a fact that the gap is not by default and an error? Do you have any evidence? No, you don't.
kathleen7700
4
May 6, 2017
VenoXj1VenoXj1:
Yes you did, and now your stating you did not. I am not going to waste me time with you. Whatever you say VenoXj1. Whatever you say. You don't even know what you said 10 minutes ago, but whatever. You do realize, all you have to do is scroll upwards to check right??
VenoXj1
36
May 6, 2017
kathleen7700Yeah if you know that you can scroll up, why don't you do so and read my comment again? You're such a troll lmao.
kathleen7700
4
May 6, 2017
kathleen7700You quote from above approximately 10 mins ago.
"VenoXj11 55m kathleen7700You are so smart, aren't you? If we all are just not smart enough to understand what your "problem" is than go ahead and call us out being stupid instead of explaining what your problem is. You're the one who's fucking trolling everyone around here. First of all the gap was a production error and now you agreed that the gap is by default and you still argue about what? All you said is that your gap differs and provided photos and I can tell they look like mine and everyone else who has provided pictures says the same as well. What is the problem with your gap? Tell us in detail since we are all too dumb to understand lmao. + 0Reply"
kathleen7700
4
May 6, 2017
VenoXj1This has what to do with my original comment?
DenonFanboy
825
May 6, 2017
kathleen7700The only thing connecting the cup to the frame is 4 screws inside. The gap around is open all the way to the driver, think of it as a port for a subwoofer. its designed that way, if u don't like it buy a Denon ah-d7200 which has no gap at all.
kathleen7700
4
May 6, 2017
DenonFanboyLong time no hear. I reframe from using the other name. Your remarks interesting and truly a remark for my understanding. I don't understand how there can possible be a gap/vent all the way around---- speaking of a gap that we can see through right??
I don't understand how that ccan be. If it were so wouldn't the cups naturally rattle due to this gap you speak of? I can actually see the wood cut away for the hinge/perhaps venting as well but I'm not getting the gap your speaking of. *It is not visible, rather appears to be a friction fit = wood into metal collar simply to hold the cup in place. *Appears to me to be a press fit, wood into metal lip which I would assume has a taper on it. *There cannot be a gap or the cups would be a loose, rattle fit with the exception of the 4 screws you refer to as the only thing holding the entire cup in place. I would be interested in your response to my remarks.
kathleen7700
4
May 6, 2017
DenonFanboyHave you had the phones apart? Can you explain further?
DenonFanboy
825
May 6, 2017
kathleen7700l had them apart, wood doesn't touch the frame at all. The driver is mounted on a plastic plate inside which the wood is screwed on.
kathleen7700
4
May 6, 2017
DenonFanboyQuite an assumption you making that I did not research. What does this have to do with the price of tea in China, or whether or not the inside of the cups are lacquered? Rather, what does matter is: 1. where I bought the phones from, 2. What MD's site represents the phones as in narrative description and photos, 3. What I received from MD 4. Whether or not my product is what MD depicted or was it misrepresentation.
We are talking about MD producing a specific model cans, representing them. I expect to get what they claim to be selling. Not seconds. If they are selling seconds they need to disclose that. Perhaps my unfinished gap is the "worse case", I doubt it but it certainly is not what they represented on their site. I have a problem with that. Whether or not others have a problem or not I don't care, I do have a problem. Hence I voice my concerns. Only to be hammered by MD trolls in an attempt to supress my remarks.
AS to trying to hurt MD's business mentioned by someone else here AleioMedia (something like that) is ridiculous. If I were making false statements for sole purpose of ill will towards MD they would own me. Not the case. I would not be doing that. For what purpose? The purpose is as stated. My "seconds" are blatantly obvious in an otherwise finely finished product which is why it bothers me so much.
Like I stated numerous times, doesn't have to be aired out for the next year with MD trolls. MD could end it by posting their photos side by side with my photos, or do the same in court. Simple. Not rocket science.
kathleen7700
4
May 6, 2017
Congratulations on your opinion. Why would anyone feel the need for photoshop. If I need photoshop to magnify and examine what MD is selling I believe it is clearly a case of misrepresentation. That should not even be a consideration or a thought for that matter, certainly not the buyers responsibility. Back to ridiculous. I'll stand by what was represented to me and what I received. Two different animals.
kathleen7700
4
May 6, 2017
You think it is right that MD would use what your are saying? Go to court and have MD explain to the court and jury that the consumer should have examined their photos with Photoshop and the magnifying provisions in Photoshop? You will get laughed out of court.
kathleen7700
4
May 6, 2017
Nothing wrong with my pictures which clearly depict the defect. Perhaps it is you or your computer. Any rate, not revalent, don't care again you sound like another MD Troll here to confuse the issue rather than resolve the issue.
kathleen7700
4
May 6, 2017
MD Troll, you already said that.
RiflemanFirst
685
May 6, 2017
kathleen7700At this point, why not just do yourself and everyone else a favor and sell your TH-X00s? Fully disclose all the issues you have with them and I'm sure you will still be able to get rid of them easily. You obviously aren't getting any help here.
kathleen7700
4
May 6, 2017
RiflemanFirstI'll take care of it the way I see fit. You making my point for me. I'll be lucky to get $300.00 for them from anyone with a brain in their head considering the defects which were not disclosed to me.
You know when you start posting pictures and making remarks other that what the issue is you start to get into territory you may find yourself you do not want to be.
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