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kauboy
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People complain about price, but don't seem to understand supply and demand, and why prices going higher benefits them in the long run. If demand is high, and prices stayed low regardless of supply, there would never be a supply available. If demand is high, and prices rise, cost plays a large factor in diminishing demand, allowing supply to catch up, eventually leading to a surplus supply. When supply is in surplus, and demand has leveled off due to high price, inventories are full and buying is low. This causes a necessary price reduction to trigger buying again. If supply is excessive, the price drop can be considerable. If these manufacturers aren't careful, they could be creating a crashing market in the next year or so if they don't manage supply and demand properly, via price adjustment.
Simple economics folks. Wait it out, and you'll be happy with the prices you will eventually see. Patience is a virtue, and will pay off.
Feb 13, 2018
Joker123dc
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kauboyThanks for the cliche elementary school macro economics lesson. The problem here is mass drop is an entity whose core values revolve around giving fair, and sometimes even below msrp, prices to its community, here they are purely price gauging. Why couldn't they do something good for their community and make a reasonable profit instead of jacking up the price because of demand. I understand your argument but objectively this just makes the people at Mass Drop look like pieces of greedy shit.
Feb 13, 2018
kauboy
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Joker123dcYou speak of things you do not know, and assume more than is presented. Prove to me this is price gouging based on their actual cost to price ratio, or stop making up nonsense. Show me their profit margin. Prove your claim.
Feb 13, 2018
Major_Infidel
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Joker123dcAll it will take is for enough people like you not to buy this item and the price will come down. Pretty simple really.
Feb 13, 2018
CouchKushin
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kauboyDude. It doesn’t matter. This is a community site that is supposed to work for the community. We all know the prices are hiked atm. So stick to the products that the community will benefit from, not the ones they won’t. It’s bad business to advertise products at the wrong price. That is the case here. We are all waiting for the prices to go down like you said. And we all hope that MassDrop will be among those who distribute those products when the price does drop so we can get it at a price that the community will approve of. This isn’t basic economics. This is specific economics because we are only talking to MassDrop community members here. Let’s not get the members in a fuss because they advertise products at equal to or higher than other prices we can find available.
Feb 13, 2018
Clixx13
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Joker123dcIf you think Massdrop is setting this price you don't know how Massdrop works.
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CouchKushin
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Clixx13They might not set the price. But they are attempting to sell it at this price. Which (I really hope) won’t go through. And their profit margin may even be pretty low. Its not a horrible price in today’s market, but today’s market is horrible. It’s really in all our interests NOT to buy this or any other higher range graphics card in this current market. And it would be in MassDrops interest NOT to advertise products that are in a bad price range for the consumers they are dealing with.
Feb 13, 2018
kauboy
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CouchKushinIf you can find the card for the same price, by all means, provide that link and drive business away from MD. That is another way you, as the consumer, can control demand. If you can't, and you want to claim that MD is doing something untoward with pricing, then prove your case with evidence, not accusations. This is certainly something the community can benefit from, since supply is limited in most places. For those that need a system, and have the cash, this gives them an avenue they may not otherwise have. Don't presume your situation is the same as every other MDropper here. We all have different levels of "acceptable" that we're willing to tolerate.
Feb 13, 2018
solBLACK
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CouchKushinThis may surprise you, but people still want/need to build PCs. Instead of bashing Massdrop for selling a card to it's community while only breaking even you should be praising them for not selling it at $640 like Newegg. If my GPU died today I'd be jumping on this drop, but luckily I have a card that's working.
Feb 13, 2018
Joker123dc
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kauboyHow the hell am I suppose to do that smart ass? I don't have access to their balance sheets. It is price gauging because this is over $100 above msrp. Legal dictionary.com defines price gauging as "The practice of raising prices on certain types of goods and services to an unfair level, especially during a state of emergency." I would say that is applicable here. The msrp for this product is approximately $200.
Feb 13, 2018
kauboy
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Joker123dcYou can't, dumbass, and that's my point. You're accusing MD with ZERO evidence. It could literally be the only price they could get from the vendor, but you rake them over the coals for offering it. If you don't have proof, keep your fabricated opinions to yourself. In the meantime, send the message that this price is not acceptable by NOT BUYING IT. MD gets the message, the vendor gets the message, and prices drop... or MD stops offering cards altogether. So simple.
Feb 13, 2018
CouchKushin
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solBLACKGuy stop being hostile. I’m not knocking MassDrop for their attempt to sell a product. I’m just saying look at the proof in the pudding here. It’s not going to be a popular product. If you NEED a pc with a 1060 in it then sure, I suppose it works for that limited niche market. But that’s not the point of MassDrop is it? There is too much backlash and not enough support for it really to be worth advertising here, especially when the company itself isn’t making money on the product. To satisfy few and to anger many is not a good business model, whether that was their intention or not.
Feb 13, 2018
solBLACK
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Joker123dcCan't even link the same card. Kind of sad really. https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125902
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CouchKushin
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kauboyNot to interfere with your fight here, but this is the discussion thread amongst members of this site. This is why there is a discussion at all. They would like to know how people feel about the products they advertise and sell. And this is how someone here feels. Your opinion doesn’t take precedence over theirs. If MassDrop wanted to only get feedback in the number of sales they got, they wouldn’t have this discussion page.
Feb 13, 2018
kauboy
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CouchKushinThat isn't remotely close to the point being discussed. The point is, anyone claiming MD is price gouging or only trying to make exorbitant profits off of the high demand, is making up nonsense. Not a single accuser has any proof of such goings on, but continues to lambaste MD for something they "think" is true, while only offering anecdotal examples to make a point. Opinions on price are fine, expected, and welcome, but telling the owners of this site to go fornicate with themselves because someone "thinks" something is unfair is ridiculous and unnecessary. Scroll the thread and count them. It's childish.
Saw your "satisfy few to anger many" comment and must state that it is nonsensical. This site regularly posts things that are only available in limited quantities, inherently satisfying only a few while upsetting far more. That's literally the kind of site this is. Get in quick before it's gone. Also, there is nothing wrong with a site's business model of offering things that only a few might be interested in, while also offering a huge weekly selection of all kinds of other things everybody else might be interested in. Surely you recognize that the small number of us that check these card postings pale in comparison to the full user base of this site, right? They can't please absolutely everybody, and instead choose to please pockets of people at a time. If you want something cheap and always on the shelf, shop at Walmart.
Feb 14, 2018
CouchKushin
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kauboyWell it kind of is a point, if not “the” main point. You as well as others here are refuting people to no avail, because either you or them are misunderstanding the standpoint of the other. It’s certainly not helping anything and you should probably just stop. If people want to be trashy idiots and blame MassDrop for the price they can’t control then oh well. But some people are trying to make the point that it’s unnecessary to sell this product here for this price. There have been a few users that have attempted to prove they can get prices at near or below this advertised price from other sources. And regardless it’s not the spirit of this company to sell products that we know are hiked, and will go down again at some point. In the meantime just sell the other products we can get for great deals and save face. nobody would have complained if they didn’t try to sell it. When we did have the discussion to put this card on a drop, it was when it was at the normal price, not at this current hiked price, therefore rendering that point invalid in deciding to drop this now.
Feb 14, 2018
kauboy
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solBLACKHoly damn! Thanks for the right link! Yep, clock speeds for OC and "gaming" modes match. I had no idea this thing was retailing for over $600.
The others Joker posted were not thoroughly checked before he linked them, I guess. Slower clock speeds even if they are "close" to the same card.
Feb 14, 2018
kauboy
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CouchKushinAccording to the link provided by solBlack for the *correct* card on Newegg, this MD price is a steal. That basically refutes your entire argument due to nothing more than ignorance of the facts. (actual card price)
Now that the actual card can be compared against at another top competitor, and we can clearly see that 17 people(at the time of this writing) have considered this to be reasonable, you really have no arguments left. The card should be sold here because there are people willing to buy it. No other reason is needed.
Feb 14, 2018
CouchKushin
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kauboy17 people of how many who checked in here? compared to how many that are complaining about the price? You are reaching pretty far guy to say my point is invalid. I think you’ve repeatedly missed it actually from me and many others here. The FACT here is that this card was cheaper, will be cheaper in the future, and for no other real reason than corporate bs, these cards SHOULD be cheaper. So when the MassDrop users, especially the ones that don’t check in as often, come in just to see products being sold at bad prices, it negatively effects the reputation of the company selling It. Like I also said, they have so many other products they can sell to us at great prices. Stick to your bread and butter, that’s what we are here for. When I’m not the only one here trying to make that point, it’s not just my problem. It’s not just one isolated incident. Go read thru the comments again. So many people feel the same way. and honestly, they far outnumber the people who are supporting this. Case in point there, we are the customers, if you don’t give us what we want, we won’t go through you. It’s MassDrop. Not selective drops to only people that have their head up their own ass.
Feb 14, 2018
kauboy
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CouchKushinThe ratio of buyers to window shoppers is irrelevant if they sell out of the product they offered. That means the demand for that item at that price exists, and is sufficient reason to offer the sale. How this makes you "feel" is also irrelevant. If you don't like it, take your business elsewhere.
Consensus does not constitute fact. Asking me to see other's opinions and therefore consider mine incorrect is illogical. Facts are the only thing that should change opinion, not the consensus of people suffering from the ill effects of groupthink. Prove to me this is any kind of "corporate bs". I'll remind you, "proof" means provide facts. What you likely call "corporate bs" is what economists call supply and demand. Yeah, I know, you just rolled your eyes again because you think that's not a real world system. Start a business, sell a product, and you'll quickly realize it's a very real system, despite what a consensus thinks.
Feb 14, 2018
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