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Watchguy12
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May 22, 2017
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Hopefully Invicta, who bought Glycine, is temporarily building brand awareness, but you might see this watch at Sam's club if they stay on this path--and devalue the Glycine brand completely. Hopefully someone who recognizes the cachet that Glycine carries is running the brand towards the future and not into the ground. This years version uses a lesser eta movement than years past...looks like it is going downhill in quality.
May 22, 2017
Glycine-USA
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Glycine USA
May 22, 2017
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Watchguy12Hello Watchguy12: Please note that the movement used in this watch is the same is previous versions GL293 which is a ETA Base 2893 Swiss Automatic GMT movement. Thanks
May 22, 2017
Watchguy12
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May 22, 2017
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Glycine-USA28 jewel vs 21 jewel seems an obvious distinction between the two. Please elaborate.
May 22, 2017
Glycine-USA
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Glycine USA
May 22, 2017
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Watchguy12Hello again Watchguy12: As far as we know the older DC-4 versions used the same 21 jewel movement. Please see the following links, we hope this clarifies any confusion. http://glycine-watch.ch/uploads/tx_pmxwatchcollection/Airman_%22DC_4%22_GL0071-GL0071_en_162.pdf http://glycine-watch.ch/uploads/tx_pmxwatchcollection/Airman_1953_Vintage_(Limited)-3904_en_131.pdf Thanks
May 22, 2017
Watchguy12
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May 22, 2017
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Glycine-USAThank you for the links. What would you say to those of us that paid three times this for an airman vintage and now see this price? This devalues my watch by setting a precedent to the market. You allow timepiece.com to sell around this price every day. High end watches guard their brands' pricing and grow through intelligent marketing and strategic partnerships and not by trying to flood the market and take a lower margin. Shame on you, Invicta. I have been a brand loyalist to Glycine up until now. Omega, Breitling, Rolex will always exist at the high end because they take the opposite approach.
May 22, 2017
timegrownold
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May 23, 2017
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Watchguy12I for one like don't like paying for crazy markups in the name of brand exclusivity.
May 23, 2017
Watchguy12
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May 23, 2017
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timegrownoldNor do I. But the mismanagement of a brand with a 100 year history is saddening to those that have supported it. The strategy to leverage cache into lower markets is unsustainable. Would the buyers who purchased this watch today for 600 be happy if it was 300 next year at a local Sam's club that sells Invicta already? How do you know that will not happen given the low margin warehouse stores take? This is a very real possibility that has been raised on other forums and nowhere has Invicta expressed intention to keep VALUE high. Where does the bleeding stop? This is a warning I wish I had gotten a few years ago. Take it or leave it.
May 23, 2017
SSFE
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May 23, 2017
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Watchguy12Its funny you should mention Breitling in your post. I recommend you look up Sicura and Breitling history especially around 1978-1979 and you will see a number of similarities between Brietling and the current changes Glycine is going through with the Invicta company.
May 23, 2017
timegrownold
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May 23, 2017
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Watchguy12I don't know, I think the cheapest automatic movement watch with a sapphire case I've seen was a maratac drop for like $260, but it had a Miyota 9015 movement and was 46 mm diameter. I think producing a quality watch at 42 mm diameter with all of these features *plus* 24 dials, chronographs, etc in the $500-600 range is a great idea, since you can't find these things in that range. But then again , I don't mind shopping at Sams club either.
May 23, 2017
Watchguy12
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May 23, 2017
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SSFEThank you I shall
May 23, 2017
Watchguy12
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May 23, 2017
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timegrownoldTruthfully I believe that watches are investments that, at this level of quality, should retain value. Given the changes in market strategy my investment in Glycine has not. Not many companies in any market change their value so starkly, like a car that drops it price to one third two years after you buy it, those that currently own an airman have a right to feel maligned. Thanks for your thoughts. All fair comments, sir.
May 23, 2017
Aleskb
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May 23, 2017
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Watchguy12I understand your worries about the Invicta purchase, your concern with regards to the price you've paid, etc...
This being said, regarding this drop, and still following your argument, it will be difficult to produce a watch with these specs and quality for cheaper than 600 USD, in one year or 5, that's cheaper than what I've paid my Seiko Sumo for. This drop looks really interesting to me, had I lived in the US, I'd have already joined it.
May 23, 2017
Watchguy12
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May 23, 2017
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AleskbI sincerely hope that your estimation is correct, sir.
May 23, 2017
dpj1
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May 25, 2017
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Watchguy12<<Truthfully I believe that watches are investments that, at this level of quality, should retain value. >>
Indeed, some investments are better than others. Do not some Ferrari's decrease in value, while others increase? It doesn't mean you cannot enjoy driving your Ferrari 308 even though it is not as valuable as a Ferrari 250 GTO. In fact, you may enjoy it more because you don't have to worry about getting dirt on it. Enjoy your watches by wearing them; don't use them as a tool for speculation. There is also a "long game" to consider.
May 25, 2017
Watchguy12
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May 25, 2017
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dpj1Fair point. I somewhat agree, and prefer putting miles on my '14 Porsche Cayman S...but still take my '92 911 turbo on track days and drive the hell out of it...time will tell, I suppose.
May 25, 2017
dpj1
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May 25, 2017
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Watchguy12A Boxster turned out to be a terrible investment...
May 25, 2017
Watchguy12
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May 25, 2017
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dpj1But a 14 or 15 Cayman S with the 3.4 flat 6 found in the 911 Carrera has gone up in value now that they put a turbo 4 in the new Cayman.
May 25, 2017
Aleskb
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May 25, 2017
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Watchguy12Funny that one day after you wrote that a Breitling showed up on MD at 40 or 50% discount versus retail price ;)
May 25, 2017
dpj1
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May 26, 2017
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Watchguy12They may have gone up for now, and I know that they are fun to drive, but only if you're a hobbit. I only marginally fit into the driver's seat of a Cayman.
May 26, 2017
Watchguy12
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May 26, 2017
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dpj1I'm a 6'5" ex D1 basketball and football player and the headroom is far exceeding any Ferrari that I have driven. Such statements bring your credibility into question.
May 26, 2017
Watchguy12
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May 26, 2017
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Aleskb40 or even 50% is understandable. 78% percent is not. Is the difference difficult to discern for you?
May 26, 2017
dpj1
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May 26, 2017
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Watchguy12Understood. I test drove one a few years ago, probably the original version, and I felt like I could not fit in the seat. Way too cramped. Not kidding.
May 26, 2017
Aleskb
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May 26, 2017
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Watchguy12No, the difference is easy to discern, yet in actual money, the difference is 2,000 USD on one hand, 1,100 on the other. If I had paid the extra 2,000 for the same Breitling, I doubt I would have claimed that "Breitling has strategies to retain the value of their watches", and I'd probably feel as pissed as you are today. That also, I discern! ;)
May 26, 2017
Watchguy12
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May 26, 2017
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AleskbYour math is less than exacting, but take solace, as your pettiness is perfectly evident. Do you really need a congratulations that you find 40% the same as 78%? I tire of a conversation with such a child like mindset that is so desperate for validation. Enjoy your mental gymnastics, or what you refer to as discernment. My argument was clear. Do I need to point out that 40-50% is a normal massdrop discount? Please just discuss that within your unconsolidated self, I tire of you.
May 26, 2017
Aleskb
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May 26, 2017
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Watchguy12So much hatred and aggressiveness in a simple discussion about watches and prices... am just speechless really!
May 26, 2017
Watchguy12
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May 26, 2017
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AleskbVitriol is not a component of psychoanalysis. Honesty, however indelicate, is. We often forget how we obviate ourselves within these sheltered internet personas. I wish you the best, sir, and hope you find fulfillment where you seek it.
May 26, 2017
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