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Drop + MiTo GMK 3Run Keycap Set

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Zyrael

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Oct 18, 2016

I really like the vibe of this set. 2 things trouble me tho. First, there's no options for TKL or full key sets... seems a bit lazy by the designer. Second, where have all the PBT sets gone? Is it harder to make PBT in vibrant colors? Because the experience of typing on PBT is fairly inarguably superior to even the best ABS.

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13955

Oct 18, 2016

ZyraelThis keycap set is aimed at the 60% public and this public only. Said public never had a specific keycap set designed directly for them, the goal here is to save bucks and prevent wasted keycaps leftovers. For larger form factors I've got other projects in the works, this was designed to be an addon for the 60% Infinity Keyboard which is going on here on Massdrop. GMK Laser and other keycap sets of mine cover other larger form factors like TKL and 100%.

codedisorg

Oct 18, 2016

MiToReally wish those yellow mods were available separately. They'd have made a great pack on their own but $60 + $25x2 puts the whole 60% in the same price range as a full set without full board coverage.

Oct 18, 2016

ZyraelThis is a very misinformed comment. First, I would strongly recommend you actually read about all of the decisions that go into making a custom keycap set: https://www.massdrop.com/talk/475/what-goes-into-creating-a-custom-keycap-set
There are a million decisions that must be made when designing any keycap set, many you've probably never considered.
Secondly, this is a GMK set. GMK doesn't do PBT, they only do double shot ABS set, but they are of the highest quality. Again, profile, material, legend style, manufacturer, are all choices that must be decided on during the design of a set, and any single choice will severely limit other choices. It is very give and take.
Thirdly, there is nothing lazy about this. The designer has made some of the most complete sets out there. This set was originally designed for a specific keybaord, which happened to be a 60% board. Due to constant complaining/asking for this set to be made separate from that drop (mainly for people that already have the Infinity or similar keybaords) this set has gotten its own separate drop. It was only designed to be for 60% boards, and adding on full size, ISO, etc sets is not something that can be done very quickly. Talks with the manufacturer need to take place, pricing and MOQ need to be laid out, then pricing here must be decided, etc, etc.
What this is is just another case of the designer trying to please everyone, and unfortunately that just never happens. People will always complain.

Zyrael

127

Oct 18, 2016

codedisorgI agree with this wholeheartedly. Those electric yellow keys are sexy as hell. I'd purchase a set of just the modifiers in a heartbeat.

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Oct 18, 2016

ZyraelThe white alphas would also look stellar with modifiers from a lot of sets as well!

Zyrael

127

Oct 18, 2016

livingspeedbumpI think you may be slightly over stating the difficulties inherent in industrial design. It's by no means simple, but it isn't rocket science in this case. Pair colors that have visual appeal and contrast well with a good font and material with a pleasant tactile quality. The key sizings are made to pre-existing standards and including options for the possible variations is quite simple.
I think this set is a definite success of design, but it isn't a triumph of the human spirit... it's keycaps.
And I just wish someone would make these extremely well designed and aesthetically superior sets in PBT... preferably with TKL or 100% options.

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codedisorg

Oct 18, 2016

livingspeedbumpIf it wasn't the exact same as GMK Stormtrooper, I'd have gone for it. CR/CP too popular.

Oct 18, 2016

ZyraelYou didn't read anything about what goes into making the sets did you? Of course it isn't rocket science, but it does take quite a bit of work and time. And seeing as how the Infinity drop with the set has already started, obviously this drop couldnt be delayed a few weeks while more is created as that would just slow the other drop down. It's definitely not just picking colors, there are so many limitations to what you can and cannot do.
"Pair colors that have visual appeal and contrast well with a good font and material with a pleasant tactile quality" - I have zero idea what you mean by tactile quality in that sentence?
Right now nobody makes doubleshot PBT Cherry Profile caps that I am aware of. A few other people do dye sub Cherry Profile PBT (so the legends are less crisp looking) and SP will do PBT but not in this profile.
If you add TKL people will complain and want full size. If you add full size, people will complain and want winkeyless. If you add winkeyless people will complain and want HHKB. If you add HHKB people will want 65/75 coverage. If you add the previous sets people will complain and want ISO. If you add ISO people will complain and want further international kits. There is always a set to add essentially, and people will always complain about wanting "________" set for their specific needs.

codedisorg

Oct 18, 2016

ZyraelPBT just isn't an option with GMK.
GMK bought Cherry's ABS tooling while BSP bought the PBT tooling. EasyPBT does cherry profile sets but they only do dyesub afaik. And while Vortex, TaiHao, and a few others have made huge strides with doubleshot PBT over the last few years, I've never seem them do anything but Filco/OEM profile (never mind doing customs).
As for the "completeness" of this set, the main reason GMK sets of late have "gone big" is that being inclusive (ISO, 1800, WKL, 65%) pulled in more people and making those MOQs more attainable. This set obviously went the other way, intentionally focusing on an ANSI 60% crowd. While my wallet currently thanks that decision, the combination of the current GMK fatigue and splitting the target audience means that a future full version of this set could very well *not* hit the higher/cheaper MOQs. That's a bummer all around.
That said, I have nothing but respect for MiTo. Count me in for GMK Laser right now. I'd love to get those yellow mods and I'm bummed that won't happen soon, but I certainly hope a later re-run will make that happen.

Makami

4237

Oct 18, 2016

livingspeedbumpDear Andy,
i've the deepest respect for you, your patience, dedication and knowledge ... .
This is just a possible part of the excistence of this drop for me: "Due to constant complaining/asking for this set to be made separate from that drop (mainly for people that already have the Infinity or similar keybaords) this set has gotten its own separate drop."
Let's have a look, Infinity x GMK 3Run 60% Keyboard Kit had been ordered 165 times by now, not bad, but not even close to be spectacular. Being optimistic, let's say 100 people went the GMK way/option, meaning 100 people left to reach MOQ of 200. MiTo repeated several times the keycaps are going to happen, no matter what. But someone has to buy and pay the MOQ of 200 sets, unless GMK would make an exception of the rule, which never should getting public if this would be the way, following demands of others would happen for sure to get threated that way, too. Businesswise it's only smart by MD to make this separate drop possible and having this plan in the back of their mind from the very beginning to keep a possible loss as low as possible, nothing wrong with that.
This ain't charity or goodwill for the community only, MD is business.
Maybe the truth is somewhere in between of our opinions/thoughts.
Cheers

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13955

Oct 18, 2016

Makami> But someone has to buy and pay the MOQ of 200 sets.
I can chime in for this part, given how much time there's left and how many people already joined both this and the other drop, the MOQ is safe.

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Oct 18, 2016

MakamiOh I don't disagree at all with the strategy you laid out, at all. Having it as a separate buy on the side truly makes a load of sense. 60%s are hugely popular with the enthusiasts, and the Infinity alone has had quite a few successful drops as well.
All I was getting at is there is a lot more that goes on in the background that people often dont consider or know about, that is all.

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