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Thought-Artist
73
Jul 16, 2016
This is quite a nice set. Classy like Dolch with just a bit more flair. The color scheme reminds me of a good expensive pair of hiking boots.
If only I wanted more ABS sets though. GMK, please somehow design a new process to make similar caps in PBT.
nafs_asp
86
Jul 16, 2016
Thought-ArtistI'm really not convinced PBT is that much more enjoyable to type on than ABS. I've had some nice/thick PBT sets (EnjoyPBT, MOD, Vortex Pok3r) and some standard thickness PBT (Granite, Vortex bi-color), and I've gotten rid of all of them in favor of ABS sets (GMK, OG Cherry, SA).
Excluding aesthetics, the most important characteristics are thickness, texture, legend type, then material.
PresidentJaguar
15
Jul 16, 2016
Thought-ArtistAFAIK, GMK doesnt do PBT
Thought-Artist
73
Jul 17, 2016
nafs_aspFor yourself maybe. I like that PBT is more durable and less sticky than ABS and also resists getting oily buildup. Think about how yellow and shine-worn a majority of vintage Model M caps would look these days if they were ABS... ewwww. Say bye to the texture with ABS relatively quickly. The only time I like ABS better is on the WASD cluster for gaming because I like a more sticky/less dry surface better then, but that's a very special use case. Also, Cherry caps amplify the scratchiness sound of MX switches unlike 1.5mm PBT which are quieter. PBT is basically much better able to hold up to the use and abuse of what occurs with keycaps.
Thought-Artist
73
Jul 17, 2016
PresidentJaguarThat's why I wish they would create a process to do it. The Asian imports can be iffy.
tabascosauz
24
Jul 17, 2016
Thought-ArtistPBT is not shine-proof. It is proof from yellowing due to the composition of the plastic, but it is not immune to shining. Also, most ABS in Cherry is somewhat glossy to begin with, and will take quite some time to shine (months-years under regular use, regular = seasoned keyboard enthusiasts who know their Cherry keysets). PBT will take much longer, but it is not immune to shine.
PBT is not noticeably more "durable". It is "harder" than ABS, but this makes it brittle as well. EnjoyPBT/Gateron had a number of instances where their PBT in Cherry profile cracked and broke without applying ludicrous amounts of force in keycap removal. PBT does not resist getting oily buildup; your fingers do not magically produce less oils/sweat on PBT. I still have to wash my EnjoyPBT sets once in a while if I use them extensively for gaming, as the buildup on WASD becomes very noticeable and undesirable, even on such a PBT keyset where the keys are smooth to begin with.
I don't understand how Cherry caps "amplify scratchiness sound of MX switches". Looks like your switches need some lubing or you just need a better switch, because I have GMK and EnjoyPBT on the same board and this is not the case, even with stock "new" Blacks (pretty much the epitome of "scratchiness" on stock Cherry MX). 1.5mm PBT from EnjoyPBT/BSP/IMSTO are already Cherry caps, just like 1.5mm GMK...your point is? Majority of respected 1.5mm PBT sets are in either Cherry or StepScupture 2, so why the distinction between 1.5mm PBT and 1.5mm Cherry?
Yellowing can be conveniently reversed through the retr0bright process, and even considering that ABS does yellow over time, it takes many years before it is apparent. The only HHKBs whose cases have turned yellow are the original HHKB Professional 1 models, which have been around for more than 10 years. My PS/2 G80-3700 was made in early 2000 and was used on-off since then; no sign of yellowing on either the OG Cherry doubleshots or the case.
Point being: you stick to what you like, which apparently is PBT (nothing wrong with that), but do so without feeding misinformation about ABS and fuelling the PBT circlejerk. Cherry's original ABS Doubleshots found on old G80 boards, as well as GMK sets, are just as valuable as original Cherry dyesubs.
Giorgio
104
Jul 17, 2016
tabascosauzmy spacebar is dsa pbt. It shines.
ideus
253
Jul 17, 2016
tabascosauzThe comments on PBT are, again, another example of group thinking and people repeating the same stuff they do not have any probe on, but read somewhere else and enjoy repeating to look like experts. If you prefer PBT is OK go for it, if you prefer ABS, as I do, go for it, but there is no need to repeat the bul....
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