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TuxKey
456
Dec 15, 2017
OMG did you say $300 ?? i just heard my wallet cry out to me !! a Fully programmable Topre board will cost me €240 so this better be near perfect as humanly possible...btw the Q100 costs €265 and that's a full size board. so this is way way to expensive guys..The whitefox is $170 so how did you come to the market value of $300 ?
TuxKeyThe Q100 is an excellent board, but you can't really compare it with the C70, as the C70 has an 8 degree CNCd case, as well as an anodized plate and the Q100 doesn't have any of those.
TuxKeyThis is honestly nothing like the WhiteFox, this is made to rival the best custom boards available out there. Duck, LZ, Mech-27, TGR, etc.
For starters, physical size doesn't affect price all that much. A PCB may cost $2 more between a TKL and TK size board. The true cost is manufacturing time. This is also the same for cases, plates, etc.
The real determining factor in price of everything is quality of materials. The WhiteFox was basically all Chinese made, where the C70 is fully made and assembled in Germany. Even the anodizing is being done by a factory in Germany that is known for doing hyper-high end camera lenses. Because things weren't outsourced to CN to ensure full control over the product and quality, it will raise the price. Labor cost more in Germany than CN.
This also includes GMK keycaps, which are definitely some of the nicest caps on the market (the nicest in my opinion!)
So when you compare the Q70 to a real custom like the Viper or Eagle (a technically smaller keyboard) this is actually cheaper and a very good price compared to many other custom boards.
Like all of GMK's products, it will proudly carry the Made In Germany mark.
TuxKey
456
Dec 15, 2017
livingspeedbumpjust earlier today i was listing to Ryan Norbauer on Top Clack talking about anodizing and "powder coating". https://youtu.be/AP7nz0xUU40?t=1h8m17s so i can appreciate the effort that goes in to it. Guess it would depend on the added quality of the anodizing in regards to how tough this anodizing is? is it the hard anodizing Norbauer mentioned here?
TuxKey
456
Dec 15, 2017
Zambumoni never owned a 8degree case currently typing on a FC660C topre board don't know how much degree that angle is but more than that would bad health wise i do use a wrist rest. btw i saw the "Top Clack 6/29/2017" nice to talk to you ;-) i also live in Europe so waiting for this board to be sold from the GMK site and avoiding the high shipping and even higher customs fees seems to be the way to go for me / us living in Europe.. i'm from The Netherlands you know the country that gives tax brakes to big companies and screws the citizens yep hahaha *L0L* .. Reading what LiveSpeedbump has to say and what you said i understand the price a bit better. still $300 is a lot of money ..not to be looked down on.. Only real thing that worries me is the programming.. TMK and QMK are the beasts i know this new propitiatory GMK firmware is an unknown to me. As a linux user and sum mac i don't do windows at home so it would have to work with both Linux And mac OSX. TMK&QMK both do. and TMK works extremely well for what i need it to do. Nothing to special but still more than input-club was able to offer me.
@Winkeyless
265
Dec 15, 2017
livingspeedbumpThe Norbauer case and iPhone are all Chinese made. So are the other funky Chinese keyboards. You get what you ordered. The WhiteFox sucks because it sucks. (Owned a round 1 once.)
Anyhow, this seems a fair price for a fully loaded custom keyboard. And I have some confidence because of GMK's consistency in quality. Good luck with the drop!
@WinkeylessThis is a very valid point, and I hope it didn't sound like i thought ALL Chinese stuff was not good. The KBD and RS stuff is generally great value for the money. (KBD 75 was great bang for the buck, far better than RS was in comparison).
What I do know is that it is much, much harder to get consistent quality without constant supervision from a lot of Chinese factories(there are exceptions, especially if you own/run a factory there). I've also heard stellar things about the Kailh factory, and in generally CN is definitely stepping up in a ton of ways. But GMK can keep a much closer eye when this is made nearby at a factory they know and trust already, and can ensure only the best quality.
The WhiteFox was also designed far more with price and selling tons of units in mind over quality, which is fine. There is a market for that, without a doubt. This is not the case for the Q70 though.
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