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does anyone know how these compare to the more commercial based Turtle Beach style oe that are sold everywhere?
wanderingwalnut
9
Nov 20, 2015
it definitely depends on what you are looking for in a pair of headphones. these are better at highs and mids, while still being able to handle most bass in music, and headphones that are currently popular in the masses tend to be heavy in bass while still being able to handle most mids and some highs. open back headphones, like these, are meant to somewhat put you there with the music though because of this there is a lot of sound coming out of the headphones (that others can hear) and a lot of sound going into the headphones (that you can hear).
musashiaharon
22
Nov 20, 2015
I have the Turtle Beach PX51 wireless headset. I don't have any Grados yet, so I'm comparing against the closed-back studio monitor Audio Technica ATH-M40fs. Rather than market the M40fs, this comparison is just to point out some of the limitations of the Turtle Beach gaming headsets compared to studio monitors, even ones nearly half the price. (Currently the M40fs is around 70 USD; the PX51 is about 119 USD.)
Although the wireless convenience and the detachable mike boom of the PX51's is a winner for me, the audio reproduction is clearly inferior to the M40fs, although still rather good for gaming cans. The PX51 did not sound terribly muffled, and I could hear new high-frequency detail in my music that I didn't notice before. But I still found that I enjoyed the less-distorted and smoother listening experience of the M40fs.
In slow sine wave sweep tests, bass reproduction was cut off in the PX51 below 25Hz, roared out of control at 30Hz (to the point of unpleasant mechanical clipping of the diaphragms against their enclosures) and then went back to normal around 35Hz. This was at flat EQ settings in the PX51, and no amount of fiddling could cure this unevenness. In contrast, the M40fs was relatively smooth, tapering out gracefully at the lower end of my sensory range around 15Hz. In the treble, the PX51 did better, allowing me to notice the clack of the clarinet keys and slight hissing of the bows across the strings. The M40fs is a little warmer and doesn't emphasize these details as much.
At the same time, I also noticed persistent but quiet white noise in the background of the PX51 all the way through. I can often ignore the white noise and forget about it, but it's clearly there. In comparison, the M40fs is totally clear of noise.
Also, the PX51's ability to locate sounds was much worse than the M40fs, which was surprising to me, since location would seem to be really important for gaming. When l listened to the Virtual Barbershop, I couldn't tell whether sounds were in front of me or behind me, and the right-left axis seemed stretched out, placing the clippers about eight inches away from my ears. In the M40fs, I could clearly tell whether the sound was in front or behind (and how far), and the clippers sounded roughly twice or three times as close to my ears. It seems that Turtle Beach was aware of this issue with the lopsided soundstage, so they added virtual surround processing to simulate a 4-speaker surround system at a few different angles. Since this did improve the sense of distance towards the front, this feature might be OK for gaming and for small ensemble performances. However, when listening to orchestral music, the echoes from the back of the hall were shifted in front of the listener, making it sound like I was outside the concert hall, listening through a corridor.
This experience leads me to believe that your money is best spent on cans with better acoustics than on digitally-enhanced phones with fancy EQ and virtual surround. That said, I can still enjoy music and movies with the PX51, and being able to walk around and do other things without being tethered to a cable is valuable to me. So I'm keeping both.
I'm getting the SR60e because I want to experience what an open-backed sound stage is like, and get a taste of more analytical headphones compared to the warm M40fs.
zapfdingbat
8
Dec 3, 2015
wanderingwalnutThese are a little bright, right?
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