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Hammer BSP Classic Beige PBT Dye-Subbed Keycap Set

Hammer BSP Classic Beige PBT Dye-Subbed Keycap Set

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Hamm3r
This is too real.
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Hamm3r
Ooh. Subtle yet Nice!
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Dear Customers,
It’s with great regret to inform you that as of this time the group-buy from BSP is cancelled. We apologize for the inconvenience this has caused everyone involved. If you are affected please take the time to read the following details of our situation and our plans moving forward.
Our intention to run a BSP group-buy to the end has always been a top priority, and we can only hope the following explanation will help to detail how this buy has failed. In February of this year our team used a broker to develop relations with BSP Asia, Logicalkeyboard, to provide us with blank keycaps for our group-buy projects including single 1u caps. With our brokered relationship with BSP appearing secure we proposed our first group-buy for high quality PBT dyesub reissues of classic Cherry keycaps. The reception of this group-buy was very popular and we quickly procured samples of a dyesub product through our contacts. After posting the sample images our group-buy expanded globally. We were encouraged by the public reception of our samples and excited to offer these high quality sets. The months which followed became a nightmare which ultimately lead us to today.
After collecting all the orders from all of our vendors globally and submitted documentation through our broker we received no response. We began to seek further clarity and reached out to BSP, Logicalkeyboard, directly. When direct communication was finally accomplished we were told PBT keycaps are no longer an item which can be ordered . We really wanted to make this work for everyone - the members, Massdrop and the design of the keycaps.After all, BSP keycaps is one of the most authentic cherry sets for keyboard enthusiasts. In the end, after long sessions of communication our offers to increase the MOQ, and even offers to purchase the molding from Logicalkeyboard were ultimately ignored.
We feel a great deal of remorse and guilt in cancelling this group-buy. We were unable to reissue caps or save the old original Cherry pbt mold. As we have come to know, BSP sublimation keycap production is very expensive outside of Europe. Changing international trade climate high postage and tariffs between Europe to Asia makes reopening relationships impossible. While we are apologetic we also have a plan to resolve this problem in the long term.
We are launching a new product we will call H(ammer)SP. Our goal is to retool and improve upon the best features of what made BSP keycaps a true legacy product. For those who wish to remain in our group buy we are offering two complete the sets of HSP for each set of BSP ordered; one set for your original order, another will be the never-sold Cyrillic or Hebrew dye-subbed set. The Hebrew and Cyrillic sets will be distributed randomly, For example, if an Arabic set was ordered a customer would receive either a Cyrillic or Hebrew set in addition to the Arabic. The difference in between the original order and HSP is the keycaps will not be made by BSP. We will also offer refunds for anyone in the group buy who would like it, please reach out to Massdrop Support for the refund/cancellation
The HSP keycaps are similar to the BSP in profile, feeling, and color. In addition to doing our best to recreate these qualities we have improved the following defects we felt were not a feature of the product:
  • Normalizing R4 height to Cherry standard while retaining the BSP R5 standard.
  • ISO layout support.
  • WK layout support.
  • 6U, 6.25U, 7U pbt spacebar support.
  • A variety of four homing key molds: bars, scoops, dots and no homing.
This announcement has not come without a considerable effort from team Hammer to fix the issue before causing a problem for enthusiasts. We have already completed the injection molding, finish, and production proofing. The performance of our manufacturing is very satisfying testers who work closely with Team Hammer. By moving to the city which the injection factory is located we have had a hand in adjusting the fit and finish of the products coming out of our custom molds.
To be clear about our plans for production after completing our duty to existing customers we will have four sets planned for regular release: Original Tulip \ Tulip GK \ APL \ Arabic. Our price for future group-buys will be announced soon and set a new standard for affordable quality.
Sincerely,
Team Hammer
Sep.,6,2018
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@XiK Hey guys! Sorry if this has been asked before but I had a question.
If you had more then 1 order of BSP in the original drop, do you get that many equivalent free sets?
1 BSP order = total of 2 HSP 2 BSP order (within the same transaction) = total of 4 HSP 3 BSP order = total of 6 HSP
I ask because some people ordered 3 BSP keysets. HSP keysets are around $95 in the China GB happening right now so the "free" set is really just because HSP is that much cheaper vs the $180 or so we paid per BSP keyset. So if they ordered 3 keysets, they should received 3 "free" keysets.
If this is not how it works, can those people modify their orders to only 1 keyset? So they originally ordered 3, get refunded for 2 sets, and stay in the drop for 1 set (but still get their free set) or will they have to cancel entirely?
Thanks!
Hamm3r
Any update? BTW, since these sets are now HSP, would it be possible to just the receive the sets I ordered but with a 50% discount plus discounts for any add-ons no longer available?
Edit: Never mind. I see my questions were previously answered.
Sorry for waiting so long, here is the production update! I just get the final sample of the CRP ( Classic Reissue Profile, I used to call it HSP), and I was satisfied with them. There are 6 BSP keys in the picture. Can you find them out?
We will produce them in a week. and we'll send the dyesub sets before November 15th.
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Of course, and the quality will be the same because it's also me to do the dye sub.
Hamm3r
Understand, not questioning the quality of dye sub process, but how the sample plastic takes the dye sub (different plastic texture/surface will impact) and how it will look in the final form :) A close up shot like shown in this thread would be great! https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74405.50
Updates on production? This drop is painfully quiet. After the failure of BSP I expect much more information to be shared -- we were kept in the dark for 5 months between April and September only to find out BSP didn't even have the blanks to be used.
Massdrop PLEASE do more.
h4rr7s
Adding on to this, there hasn't been an update for Dr. Click artisan in a long time either. Estimated shipping date was 2 weeks ago.
Reposting since it's been a week with no answer.
@Hamm3r @XiK @YanboWu
Hey guys! Sorry if this has been asked before but I had a question. If you had more then 1 order of BSP in the original drop, do you get that many equivalent free sets? 1 BSP order = total of 2 HSP 2 BSP order (within the same transaction) = total of 4 HSP 3 BSP order = total of 6 HSP I ask because some people ordered 3 BSP keysets. HSP keysets are around $95 in the China GB happening right now so the "free" set is really just because HSP is that much cheaper vs the $180 or so we paid per BSP keyset. So if they ordered 3 keysets, they should received 3 "free" keysets. If this is not how it works, can those people modify their orders to only 1 keyset? So they originally ordered 3, get refunded for 2 sets, and stay in the drop for 1 set (but still get their free set) or will they have to cancel entirely? Thanks
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TanvirK175
Hey dude, what Xi said is right and they don't have to cancel all orders.
Hamm3r
Can you answer another related question posted up there: For those who ordered multiple sets, if i chose to stay, is it possible to secure to get at least one of the hebrew + one cyrillic?
Just a heads up, it appears that Chinese GB is open already, ends on September 30th and delivery date is December 15th. Base set price is 650 RMB (95 USD), 1800 kit is 85 RMB (12 USD), and tulip mod kit is 110 RMB (16 USD)
http://www.geekmaker.com/index/Goods/goodsInfo/id/473/item_id/5395.html
Audith
There will be many changes in details. Chinese dont need ISO but westerners do.
hi, hammer one base kit+ (Cyrillic or Hebrew) ? rgb add on, icon mod ... ? How are you going to do these?
yyh0010
He mentioned last week that the current plan is to refund mod kits, and he's discussing with MD to figure out a way to do that. But there hasn't been an update after that.
@Hamm3r, I've been trying my best to avoid asking this question but it's really bugging me.
Will HSP come from the same manufacturer/factory as eBPT or Gateron blanks?
I understand many changes may have been made (profile, feeling, color etc.) to improve HSP, but knowing that it might share roots with other inferior & cheaper keycaps does not sit well with me.
Either way, I hope you can shed some light on this ASAP. Thanks.
sauchuang
Of course not sir.
Any renders of the Cyrillic and Hebrew set? I prefer green Hebrew
If its HSP blanks, would it be possible to send a set to Anthony from 001 keyboards for review? If he´s happy with them i think that would give confidence to a lot of buyers.
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jrjr2
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@Hamm3r @XiK Can you please confirm if this buy will be fulfilled with BSP Blanks or will be fulfilled with Hammer's new HSP blanks?
TanvirK175
Updated.
Can we please get an official update on this situation soon? I don't think it's particularly good when we have to resort to finding and looking through Chinese websites to find out what is going to happen with this gb and even then it's just mostly speculation.
So, when is Massdrop going to talk about the fact that this buy is dead in the water and requires refunding all of the participants?
because this was supposed to ship this month... a heads up to everyone involved would be appreciated
blacksimon
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@XiK @YanboWuI see Team Hammer has posted that this drop will be canceled and all orders refunded. Any update / words from MD on this?
http://www.geekmaker.com/index/bbs/forum_content?id=230&_wv=1031
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I hope there will be an option to cancel, or at least some sort of mechanism to compensate GB participants if the blanks ended up coming from a cheaper source (as was mentioned in the Chinese forum).
sauchuang
I really hope we can get a refund if he ends up not using BSP blanks.
I really don't see how he can mention in the china GB that BSP doesn't sell blanks any more, and knew about this back in May, but can still be able to fulfill the Massdrop order.
Unless he was sitting on a lot of BSP blanks, something doesn't sound right here.
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FannyMcBuncakes
If Hammer make their own mold, can we expect a better compatibility? 🤔
Jebbra
Yep, his announcement said that there will be support for winkey, ISO, 6u, 6.25u and 7u spacebars and different types of homing keys. The prototype pics are in the link too.
Any updates on this? Haven't heard a peep since the drop ended in April.
h4rr7s
Apparently the set is not going to be made.
The Asia gb runner just announced that bsp won’t sell them the blanks so the sets can’t be made.
We are going to have to wait for an official statement from massdrop though.
If anyone is looking to sell their kit i Missed the gb :/
Looking to pick up a set. If anyone is looking to let theirs go. I am not picky of which variation you got. Hit me up on here or reddit /u/Xyzac_01
Was tracking this but totally missed out on this. WTB a set from someone who would want to back out. Super sad :(
suzynanban
message direct or reddit/u/type93rara
Didn't have enough money at the time, but am now looking for a Greek Tulip set! If anyone has buyer's remorse just hit me up ;)
Looking for an OG Tulip if anyone doesn't want. :(
I don't suppose it's too late to modify our order?
Didn't have the funds when the GB launched so here we go...
WTB 1 set (pref APL ANSI)
Ty
Thanks for supporting us everyone! Cheers! Btw, we chose four people from my friends and people who took part in our IC discussion as the taste testers of Dr.Click. They can get an one-off which is gonna match their BSP caps. T0mb3ry Binge Puddsy LightningXi :) I will post their caps later.
PS: Binge is going to make some stuffs for this BSP drop, keep an eye on him.
Hamm3r
Very excited for this drop. I hope we see more BSP colorways in the future. Would love a cyrillic set. Can't wait for my set.
Still on the fence on this but want to join because of all the praise I've heard about BSP and OG Dyesubs. How do these match up against something like EnjoyPBT and GMK in terms of typing feel and sound? I'm thinking the difference is subtle, but I'm still interested in knowing how they're superior. Why do you guys personally like BSP/OG Dyesubs better versus the other popular Cherry profile options?
170 bucks for keycaps... I like mechanical keyboards too but come on people. You're being taken advantage of. The only reason a set of keycaps can be this overpriced is because so many of you put up with it. You shouldn't. Then you'd be able to buy keycaps that are just as nice as these for actual sane prices.
hurleybird
Tell that to all the people eating meat saying "well if everyone was a vegetarian then my decision would actually matter but that won't happen so pass me another happy meal" or the people that still don't recycle in 2018 "because it takes too many people unwilling to change to save our world/preserve the climate".
You can't expect people to just randomly stop "putting up with overpriced caps". Firstly, overpriced is subjective. Secondly, it's not gonna happen. If the next GMK set sold 1000 units instead of 2000 they'd still run a set after that, and a set after that set, and so on and so forth.
Either you put up or you miss out. It's up to you to accurately judge which decision is the correct one for each of you individually.
hurleybird
I'm sorry you don't understand the basics of economics, subjective quality, or differentiation of goods but could you go flaunt your ignorance elsewhere? Just because you don't understand the value of something or it's value does not personally apply to you it doesn't mean it's a scam or overpriced. If you want something cheaper go buy it. Don't hang out here and waste our time trying to "help" us. What you are doing is equivalent to walking into a sit down burger place and walking around to the customers:
10 bucks for burgers... I like burgers too but come on people. You're being taken advantage of. The only reason a burger can be this overpriced is because so many of you put up with it. You shouldn't. Then you'd be able to buy burgers that are just as nice as these for actual sane prices at the McDonalds.
I cannot believe this drop doesn't have more joins. It's Hammer and BSP. Those two names go way back in the keyboard community, and the fact that they make a return with such delicious icons, and with a throwback to the designs BSP was made famous with, should fetch more drops.
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romevi
As much as some of us love mech boards (I have paid up to 600 bucks for a keyboard once), I would have to pay 270 dollars to get the APL set, icon mods, RGB caps and ... why not, one of those artisans. I love my boards, but that is just... insane for keycaps *only*. I can pay that, and have paid more than that, for complete *keyboards*. Just for keycaps? No, thanks.
Oh, and the fact that this only supports winkeyless doesn’t really help either.
romevi
old guys in GH
Hammer is there no [ left bracket on the ANSI GK set?
If you have WKL TKL keyboard that needs keycaps and have the money to drop this might be a great pickup. Based on feedback from people who actually have a set of BSP keycaps, they rave about the quality / feel.
If you don't have a WKL TKL keyboard that needs keycaps, this is probably pretty poor value due to the price and lack of compatibility for other layouts.