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DenonFanboy
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Oct 6, 2017
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What's up with the vague spec sheet?
Oct 6, 2017
Tatteredmidnight
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Oct 6, 2017
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DenonFanboy"matched components" and "fully discreet class A design" are more important than dScope measurements /s
Joking aside, this seems to be a semi-professional implementation of an old design based on the other comments. I wish they would have stated that if it's the case, as a quality build of a well loved design is something that has a place in the market. Claiming superior performance without providing proper evidence makes this look like just more audiofool snake oil, when it may be a poor representation of what is being offered.
Hopefully someone can clarify this.
Oct 6, 2017
gyams
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Oct 8, 2017
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Tatteredmidnightseems to me the description says this quite clearly, that it's based on KG's design with various upgrades. and Justin/headamp is professional as they come. it's his company/job. nothing "semi" about it. fit and finish are as good as you'll find in the headphone amp world.
Oct 8, 2017
Tatteredmidnight
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Oct 8, 2017
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gyamsEpidusRex doesn't seem particularly professional. If a company wants to be seen as in a certain way, they should consider how they come across when actually interacting with potential customers.
Professionalism aside, there is a blatant claim of being "as close to a wire with gain" as possible, with nothing by the way of evidence to support the claim. Add to that the limited specs provided, and it's a claim I'm not inclined to believe.
Oct 8, 2017
Varholiaglimp
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Oct 10, 2017
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gyamsWhy is it that some (often new) members of a site or group seek to distinguish themselves by calling others illegitimate? Certain people's insistence that this or that audiophile company is selling "snake oil" shows they know nothing about Justin, for example, and his history of creating audiophile headphone amps. They only prove their historical illiteracy in the world of headphone hobbyists.
Justin is offering an inexpensive version of a proven and beloved amp that he is known for making and for which he usually charges more money. Anyone who is a member of Head-Case has watched the progress of this amp while Jason was designing it.
This is exactly the kind of thing that novice spoken word poets used to do in local clubs in NYC in 2003: show up for open mike and complain about "phonies" and "fakes" in a scene they'd never been part of before. Claiming legitimacy doesn't mean invalidating someone else. Legitimacy comes from having integrity and valuable ideas of one's own.
A person who truly cares about headphone amps would say something meaningful about the Gilmore Lite V2 or ask an intelligent question about it. There's no shame in asking questions.
I appreciate the comment above yours about measurements being secondary to direct experience with a given amp. But why then ask for "evidence" of an advertised feature? Lots of threads on headphone audio sites will tell you what Justin does.
And I have difficulty accepting measurements when they are done on heterogeneous setups and then compared -- not because one is necessarily more flawed than another, but because differences can introduce variables between setups that have nothing to do with the equipment being measured.
Oct 10, 2017
Tatteredmidnight
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Oct 10, 2017
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VarholiaglimpNo need to cast aspersions or call me names. I have no need to make a name for myself on a shopping site (completely rediculous and pointless). To my eyes, this looks like little more than a professionally built kit amp, replete with a lack of specs or measurements.
You can prostelatize for the brand and claim the magic electro-pixies can't be properly measured, but I believe that their hyperbolic claims should come with at least the standard performance specifications, and at this price, measurements would be nice. The onus is on the manufacturer to back up extraordinary claims, not have a corporate rep come onto a public board and sarcastically and belligerently respond to potential customers. Evidence of actual performance shouldn't be a rediculous request, you wouldn't buy a car or computer without the same expectation: cargo room, acceleration, safety features for a car, or clock speed, storage, and some benchmarks for a computer.
As for headphones being a "hobby", or caring about headphone amps, that isn't me. Headphones are just speakers you put on your head for the purpose of listening to music. Same thing with a headphone amp. I've never sat down to listen to a piece of audio equipment, but I have done so for a particular song or performance. I buy good gear to hear good music reproduced beautifully (and faithfully).
For me, the experience is the music, not the equipment, and I want the equipment to reproduce the music and get out of my way, so I can forget it's there and enjoy what I was interested in, to begin with.
Oct 10, 2017
Varholiaglimp
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Oct 10, 2017
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TatteredmidnightI'll respond when I'm not working, but I wanted to say immediately that I wasn't talking about you personally in most of my last post. I mentioned you at the end, but that was in a very specific context. Note that the post wasn't actually addressed to you or to those whom I observed as engaging in the behaviors I mentioned. I addressed the post to gyams because that user seemed to be raising the relevant points.
I'll look at your post when I'm not working on a time-sensitive project and can see how much of your response still pertains to anything I said to you. I do wonder why you thought I called anyone names.
This is the only part of my comment that addressed anything you said:
"I appreciate the comment above yours about measurements being secondary to direct experience with a given amp. But why then ask for 'evidence' of an advertised feature? Lots of threads on headphone audio sites will tell you what Justin does."
Everything else concerned broader issues that were related to the points that gyams raised.
I will say this: If you thought that I was attacking you when that was not my intention at all, then I wonder whether you might reconsider the idea that Justin's partner at HeadAmp was being "belligerent." I understood him to mean that he didn't feel technically adept enough to answer certain questions and would let his partner speak to them. I didn't take his words as arrogant or offensive, but perhaps I missed something.
Oct 10, 2017
Tatteredmidnight
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Oct 10, 2017
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VarholiaglimpI think most of this exchange comes down to Massdrop's poor comment organization. For me, this showed as a reply to a comment t I made, in reply to the original comment:
"DenonFanboy: What's up with the vague spec sheet?"
I found our previous discussion engaging and enjoyable. I am also dealing with a work crisis, so I will have to sit down after hours on a desktop and read this. if this turns out to be another case of Massdrop tricking me with the comment display I'll edit my comment and withdraw it.
Oct 10, 2017
Varholiaglimp
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Nov 25, 2017
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TatteredmidnightGlad you never withdrew any of your comments, Tatteredmidnight. It's rare for a drama to have a happy ending that isn't forced -- let alone a conflict-driven drama involving headphone equipment measurements! Civility should win more often.
Nov 25, 2017
Tatteredmidnight
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Nov 25, 2017
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VarholiaglimpAgreed, also my work got hit with a crypto ransomware attack and I may have forgotten :D. Either way, it's all because we are passionate about this, there is enough room in this world for multiple points of view, something a lot of people have broadly forgotten.
Nov 25, 2017
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