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e.xo
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Apr 18, 2017
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wait.. 9 bits, a driver and a hipster looking "case" for 99.99$
i mean.. it looks "cool" 'n' all but you can get much, much, much more for a much lower price..
stuff like this just proves that way too many people go for looks over use in the wrong places nowadays
Viajames
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Apr 19, 2017
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e.xoYup..
welcome to disposable income
however the bits with this set are absolutely bar none the best on the planet.. you will never round out a screw using one of these bits, even the crappy cheaply made screws.
JZStudios
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Apr 20, 2017
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ViajamesThat's just factually incorrect on every level. Even if these things are made of the hardest steel known to man, screws are still screws, and will still strip out. A $12 set from Ryobi with 40 bits will get you much further.
Actually upon further reading on the product page, this is meant to be a micro tool set, in which case the $5 set from Harbor Freight shipped directly from China will work EXACTLY as well, as well as having just as many tips. I can't even begin to fathom how you could manage to "strip a Torx on your nice knives." How many thousands of PSI are you putting on a little bolt to hold your knife together?
Let's also not glance over the use of HIGHLY expensive titanium for a driver body, when a plastic shell and steel rod will last for... ever. Their reasoning being "the driver allows you to put a lot of vertical pressure on a bolt." You know what else will allow you to put a lot of vertical pressure on a bolt? Literally ANY other $1 screwdriver.
Viajames
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Apr 20, 2017
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JZStudiosyour not wrong about the screw being more important in the equation, all things being equal.. however when your "cheap bits" start to round, as they most certainly will with continued use. When that happens and you use on and expensive knife, you will round out even expensive screws. Nowadays alot of makers are using titanium screws, which im sure you know is softer than the Steel bits, so its VERY easy for a cheap bit... torx or not to round a screw..
This isnt a product for someone looking for $1/bit toolset, and your right plastic will last a lifetime, so will titanium, some people like the look and the feel of Titanium over plastic tho, I certainly do, if you hit join drop youll see you have the option to not get the driver at all, or the bits, you can buy just the tool roll if you like.. $38 i think it said.
If you've only got $10-$20 to spend why click on this drop at all? Prob should head on over to Amazon or Harbor Freight. Just a thought.
JZStudios
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Apr 21, 2017
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ViajamesAt first I read "Leather tool roll" and thought it was actually tools for leather work, which I may be interested in.
If knife makers are spending time and money making screws out of a material that's a TERRIBLE choice for the function it's given... frankly I don't even really know what to say. I'm not at all against titanium. Titanium handles are fine, it's super light and has a good feel (although treatment being equal, it's really about the same as steel in terms of feel.) Titanium has uses, but to make a set of tools out of something that's both expensive and ineffective... I just don't understand. The screws can't possibly be big enough to give you "tactical weight shavings advantage," in exchange for being terrible at the job it's supposed to perform.
Then again, I'm also very much a "Knives are tools" (and minus a few certain pieces) not meant to cost $500 because the blade is a poorly heat treated rainbow titanium. Which is also a TERRIBLE knife... material. Titanium doesn't like being blued like that and it weakens the material.
In any case, if the cheap bits eventually strip, which they shouldn't because again, how many thousands of PSI are you putting on a tiny screw? you can use the next bit in the set. There's usually extras. I have zero issue with buying nice and expensive tools, but I want them to be exceptional at their job. Using my $400 chefs knife is great, and I'll buy another one, but buying a $1000 knife that performs like a $20 one does me no good, regardless of how it looks or "feels."
Viajames
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Apr 21, 2017
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JZStudiosI think at least some of the reason is 2 fold..
1. Titanium will take anodization better or easier or with a more predictable range of colors at the different voltages.. I'm definitely winging it on the p's & Q'S but I'm pretty sure that's one reason for the SCREWS being Ti. Alot of makers refuse to compromise and don't use Ti.
2. People ask for it, I don't understand it really either but like a luxury car with some of the just adds cost no purpose of function options (like a wing on your Toyota) people wasn't it, so business' are eager to make money.. there ya go.
there may be other reasons, I'm not saying they are the only ones, but this is what comes to my mind.
TipsyMacScotchslurpen
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Jul 13, 2017
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JZStudiosWhile the material of which a screw is made and the tolerances to which its slot is manufactured play a part in whether or not the screw will round off, the most important factor is how securely the bit sits in the slot. Part of that is slot tolerances, but having a properly-crafted tool head that is strong enough to handle the torque and having a tool that helps your hand hold the tool in the proper orientation throughout its operation makes the biggest difference in whether you are ruining screw heads.
I have a bit of an obsession with mechanical watches, to the point where I purchased a >$150 set of "jeweller's" screwdrivers to tinker with them. The difference they have made in whether I am scratching the finish of every mirror-polished screw head or leaving every single screw in perfect, pristine condition is utterly unbelievable until you see it first-hand. The Swiss-made tool tips make a much better purchase on the screw slots and the ball bearing tops of the screwdrivers allow me to fully screw/unscrew the screw (so much screw in this sentence!) in one action without accidentally changing the angle of the driver.
If this tool functions anything like those Swiss screwdrivers do, then you probably won't be able to believe how amazing it is until you use it. I haven't used it myself, so I don't know if it is that well-made, but I do at least appreciate how much of a difference a well-made tool can make, and this one has been on my wishlist for a long time. I just never seem to have the money on hand when it drops. :(
I have a bit of an obsession with mechanical watches, to the point where I purchased a >$150 set of "jeweller's" screwdrivers to tinker with them. The difference they have made in whether I am scratching the finish of every mirror-polished screw head or leaving every single screw in perfect, pristine condition is utterly unbelievable until you see it first-hand. The Swiss-made tool tips make a much better purchase on the screw slots and the ball bearing tops of the screwdrivers allow me to fully screw/unscrew the screw (so much screw in this sentence!) in one action without accidentally changing the angle of the driver.
If this tool functions anything like those Swiss screwdrivers do, then you probably won't be able to believe how amazing it is until you use it. I haven't used it myself, so I don't know if it is that well-made, but I do at least appreciate how much of a difference a well-made tool can make, and this one has been on my wishlist for a long time. I just never seem to have the money on hand when it drops. :(
JZStudios
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Aug 5, 2017
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TipsyMacScotchslurpenI agree, again going with what I said prior about buying tools that excel at their jobs. Titanium is not the answer in this instance.
This might have a bearing on top, not sure, which yeah would be super nice. But again, going with my personal opinion of "knives are tools to actually be used" I don't particularly care if I scratch the finish.
Hell, one day I got bored with a spare piece of 2x4 and my $40 Gerber and hammered it through. Didn't even scratch the anodized finish, so that doesn't even hold exclusively true for Titanium.
In your case, I appreciate nice watches as dress/show pieces, which is why I have my (budget ~$100) Seiko chronograph for "nice" events/dress and a $12 digital from Wal-Mart that I beat to hell and just buy a new one when it inevitably breaks and/or runs out of batteries. I'm just of the opinion that tools are tools, meant to be used, and sometimes a cheap tool works just as well.
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