Infinity x GMK 3Run 60% Keyboard Kit Discussions | Drop

Oct 13, 2016

I dunno, this is like a bate a switch.... it sounds all great when you think its a decent keyboard for $100 plus shipping... then when you get into the nitty gritty , its actually a $230-$300 keyboard plus shipping...
No one is going to buy the $99 option (with no keycaps), so this really misrepresents the "deal" you are supposedly getting.
For what the price ultimately works out to, you could pretty much buy any other keyboard on the planet at any random place and it would be competitive to this.
I signed up for mass drop with the impression it was a place to get a good deal with group buying power. But really its about buying one of a kind items at a ridiculous price and spending more money than you would shopping elsewhere.

Oct 13, 2016

BetaDazeIt's a group buy for a kit, targeted at enthusiasts. This certainly wouldn't be my recommendation for a first keyboard! Actually, a large number of people will buy the $99 option with no caps. If they're anything like me, there are 10 full keycap sets sitting in bags at home, not on a board.
What about the drops for only caps? Those are generally much more expensive than this, but no one says "Who would buy keycaps with no keyboard?" The fun of building and collecting is to ultimately have something that is completely unique to you. It's fun, and I love it.
A set of DSA blanks only adds $30 to the price if you need caps. $130 + shipping gives you all the components needed to build a fully functional board.

AndrewLekashman

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Oct 13, 2016

BetaDazeWe offer "No Keycaps" as an option for all our keyboard kits because many people already have keycaps from other group buys that they have lying around waiting for their endgame keyboard. A huge percentage of people do indeed purchase these keyboards without keycaps, and quite a few keyset designers incorporate our keyboards (Infinity ErgoDox, WhiteFox) into their group buys.
We don't sell this keyboard anywhere but Massdrop, and it is easily the most customizable 60% available on the market, as it is fully programmable out of the box (an improvement on the Poker, KC60, etc.), supports TMK for all the other programming needs because we are in close communication with hasu, and is available with more switch variants than any other 60% keyboard.

Oct 13, 2016

graftAnyone who has wasted money on 10 full sets of caps with no board to put them on needs professional help. Group buying is supposed to bring price down, this does not achieve that purpose. What this does is trigger people to make an impulse buy that is not a good deal, by making it look like a bargain on the surface and ripping you off on the "extras".
Its just a shame that Massdrop pretends to have the aim of saving you money, when the real goal is to instigate a mass spending spree on items that are no better deal than anywhere else.

Oct 13, 2016

AndrewLekashmanJust because you only sell this on Massdrop is not an excuse for ripping people off. Here is an idea, do not sell it without keycaps. People who have extra keycaps laying around without a purpose have made bad life decisions and should not be catered too.
If you are going to list it at $99, list it at that price with the basic keycap set... for those who want to put ones they have laying around on it, they can throw the provided ones in a ziplock bag and let them lay around doing nothing if that's what floats their boat.

Oct 13, 2016

BetaDazePerhaps thats why your price is non-competitive, start selling it other places to bring the price down. If I saw this on ebay or amazon for the price structure detailed here, I would say it makes sense... the point of group buying is to get a better deal than retail. The pricing here is not a "deal" in any sense of the word, I don't care how many customization options you throw at it, those all cost extra as well. As a so called "deal" this doesn't add up.

Oct 13, 2016

BetaDazeThis is not eBay or Amazon. It's a completely different marketplace that you're apparently not familiar with, and that's ok. The point of the Massdrop keyboard group is actually not "to get a better deal than retail." In most cases, the products Massdrop is offering (this drop included) are only available in large quantities. Some are only available in Asia and can only be purchased from within those countries or through shady resellers. In many cases, especially with keycaps, Massdrop is actually facilitating the manufacturing.
Massdrop certainly could have set the base price at $140 including the DSA blanks, and offered to subtract it as a no-caps option. Since I've seen that happen on other drops, I have to assume that based on purchase history, the no-caps kit was a big seller, so they chose to advertise to their market.
You do realize this is a kit, right? Not a manufactured, mass-market keyboard.

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Oct 13, 2016

BetaDaze> The pricing here is not a "deal" in any sense of the word, I don't care how many customization options you throw at it, those all cost extra as well.
You're saying that a 60 % PCB (won't even mention that it's programmable) + plate+ plastic/metal case + 61 Gateron switches + set of stabilizers for $99 isn't competitive.
Could you please refer to me a link where I can get these parts I mentioned above for $99 or lower?
I'll go beyond and add the 3run Alphabet kit.
Can you please link to me a place where I can find a full working 60% keyboard (again, it doesn't need to be programmable) with GMK keycaps for $168.98 or lower?

Vigrith

4081

Oct 13, 2016

BetaDazeI appreciate you telling me I need professional help just because I deem something worth my money; having a hobby is not allowed or how come you feel like you are entitled to tell others what to spend or not to spend money on? Do you own one pair of jeans and one t-shirt? If not then you definitely need professional help.
If you were even remotely aware of the prices boards like this go for when you're component hunting on Geekhack you'd understand this is very cheap in comparison. Does that mean it's cheap in general or compared to random $30 keyboard you get off of bestbuy? No. That's the reality of things, it's an expensive hobby and you have the right to be upset at me and others that have thousands in disposable income to spend on caps that are bound to not be used all at once or on whatever else may be their preference. That's how it works.
MDcan't save you more than they do on these custom board/cap drops - they're exclusives, how do you want this to be cheaper than elsewhere when it's literally not available anywhere else? You can go get a MagicForce on Amazon for $50 instead, no one's stopping you but by all means leave the rest of us to enjoy the things we enjoy and allow Massdrop to offer exclusives like this that many of us want to purchase. If they're not run here they will be run elsewhere, you can't stop people from liking things, your entire logic is skewed and none of the points you've been trying to argue even begin to make the slightest bit of sense.

Waah

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Oct 14, 2016

graftWoah, WOAH. I'll have you know that the cheapest option is actually less than $90 after shipping and taxes for me! How dare you "misrepresent" such a steal, bargain, etc
Some needed relief from hesitating and missing out on the Zeal60 PCB. Great deal. :>

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Oct 14, 2016

WaahWith no switches?

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Waah

390

Oct 14, 2016

graftI may or may not have replied to the wrong person. Oh well. It was sarcasm and I hope you noticed.
Anyways yup, already in for R4 Feelios GB! Only needed a PCB so this is great timing. Don't mind the wait since I'll be messing around with the MiniVan and Roadkit in the meantime.

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Oct 14, 2016

WaahNo, you were replying to me. Good deal, man, I just bought 2 boards with different weight Zealios, and they're just not for me. Clears for life.

KangTheMad

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Oct 15, 2016

BetaDaze"Hobbies are stupid and you should feel bad for spending money on them!"

j.a.l

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Oct 15, 2016

KangTheMadI also love the idea that somehow the group buy concept only applies to achieving volume discounts on already-available items, not custom manufacturing, which is implicitly what was being said. Since cheaper keyboards exist elsewhere, it doesn't matter that this is unique and unavailable elsewhere, it is a ripoff, Massdrop is evil, and anyone who buys it is stupid.
Come to think of it, the attitude reminds me a bit of this election. It isn't possible to have reasonable disagreements, anyone who disagrees with you is stupid and evil. Did anyone note the date when did it become impossible to be friendly with people who aren't clones of you?

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