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Antnee
156
Nov 29, 2017
I fail to see the "ultralight" in JacksR products. You may disagree but they're heavy as far as boutique quilt manufacturers go.
wintermutt
52
Nov 29, 2017
Antnee1.5 pounds is not bad. is it?
Antnee
156
Nov 29, 2017
wintermuttLight, not ultralight. If you look at other quilts, especially when it comes to temperature, there are MUCH lighter alternatives.
Other companies are using higher FP down and lighter fabrics, almost everyone. For example, these quilts come in higher than a 20 degree 'budget' quilt from Hammock Gear. The budget line are "heavy" in comparison to their normal line and are rated lower (20 vs ~25 degrees).
EDIT: I should also mention that they are on the expensive side as well, vs others that are lighter and have better down. I don't get it.
Lamarr
15
Nov 29, 2017
wintermuttWhen you get down to this area, how important is the difference between 20 and 24 ounces? I am a huge fan of the durability of Jacks products. I will trade that for a couple of ounces where some people are willing to accept "fragile" equipment for the sake of weight. I love their stuff for the overall balance of cost, durability and weight.
jwsadauskas
15
Nov 29, 2017
AntneeJacks r Better seem to be competitive for weight and price. The quilt in the drop is not the lightest nor is it the most expensive on the market.
I just received a Loco Libre 20deg. It weighs 21 oz on my scale (w/ provided stuff sack ). The price I paid was somewhat higher than this drop. My 15 deg Marmot Helium, a conventional sleeping bag, weighs 33 oz.
Motorrad
2898
Dec 1, 2017
AntneeHaha. This quilt is definitely ultralight. I get that you are trying to make that definition as elite as possible, but you are trying too hard. Yes, they are pricy, but some are happy to pay a premium for made in US. Yes, they are marginally heavier, but some are more than happy to take a miniscule penalty for the exceptional quality and versatility of this product. I have found the thermal ratings of domestic product from manufacturers like jrb or western mountaineering very realistic if not overly conservative compared to those from Asia. The specs do not tell the whole story and certainly do not undermine (quite the opposite) my dedicated and decidedly ultralight experience.
Antnee
156
Dec 1, 2017
MotorradHaha. This quilt is overpriced, heavy and of an old design. It's a "my first quilt". It's not just that it's heavy. There are loads of Made in USA quilt makers who are more innovative, lighter, higher quality AND cheaper. That's the main point. I'm not even an ultra lighter. I've used this quilt btw, as well as 7 others. Hammock Gear, Underground Quilts, Loco Libre, Enlightened Equipment to name 4 that are lighter, better and as cheap or cheaper. This is old school with a price that doesn't match. It sounds much like you don't know quilts but are here to defend the one that you have..
Motorrad
2898
Dec 1, 2017
AntneeHahaha. That chip on your shoulder does not make you right. ...nor do the ad hominem insults. You say it's heavy. It's not. I've been through as as many quilts as you have as well as designed my own. I know what I want in UL and what compromises I'm willing to make. It's cute that you think of yourself as an authority on the matter. We sure do need more internet experts. Hahaha
Stepbystep
549
Dec 1, 2017
AntneeI'm kind of wondering what innovation you have in mind when it comes to other makers. Actually the head slot on these is/was somewhat innovative in itself. The only things I can really think of are the cuben baffles in Z-Packs products and maybe the hot-foot pocket that Loco Libre will add if you ask...Nunatak has a nice tweak on the footbox cinch for those models but I don't think it's what you'd consider innovative. Everything else has been around the block a hundred times since the 90s with bags, bag mods, and then the real quilt revolution. Really very little innovation and most on the market now even from the little one-man startups are virtually the same thing and most even source fabric from the same one or two places now. Don't take this comment the wrong way, but you said you're not an ultralighter and it kinda shows. If a 1.5lb part of your big three items can't make it into a 10lb base weight then all the rest of your gear should be scrutinized heavily. Ultralight is about minimalism and smart use of materials first and foremost, and weight second - and the weight is base weight, not individual item weight. Absolutely zero reason anyone should say that a JRB quilt isn't ultralight worthy. They use a heavier fabric compared to the 10d used by many and that's where most of the weight gain is, but they also stuff their baffles properly, so you've got a nice proper amount of down, which can't be said for all quilt makers, even some of the big names. So a bit more down and slightly lower fill power adds another ounce or three depending, but you end up with a good warm quilt and not something that has marginal loft which can't handle adverse field conditions or multiple days without flattening a bit. Quilts with the same temp rating that weigh considerably less might be just fine but they most often aren't as warm, and that can be ok depending on your approach and needs. Personally, I'll take the very slight weight penalty for properly filled baffles after having used some who took the optimistic approach for their down fill/temp rating rather than the conservative one which weighs only slightly more. Honestly none of these guys make bad products and to knock one is almost to knock them all. If you want shave the most weight, right-size the quilt for your body and sleeping habits and choose the lightest fabric. JRB doesn't do that but it doesn't mean their quilts aren't high quality or aren't "ultralight."
audible
602
Dec 1, 2017
AntneeWhy are you all over UL forums talking down to people? Seriously, you're very insulting. People know what they like and what they want for themselves better than you do. People know how to shop and look at specs just as well as you. Seems like you just want to be 'right', but you already started out by being patently incorrect. This is going to be hard for you to accept, but you need to understand that this is not about you.
Antnee
156
Dec 1, 2017
audibleI’m not all over any UL forums.
Antnee
156
Dec 1, 2017
StepbystepThis is a discussion forum and everyone is allowed their opinion. For some reason my opinion is touching some nerve and a false defense of a product has been ralllied. Whatever.
audible
602
Dec 1, 2017
AntneeNah. You're just rude.
Antnee
156
Dec 1, 2017
audibleThat I may be but I’m not all over UL sites. Just don’t confuse me with someone else
audible
602
Dec 1, 2017
AntneeOk just comments on MD discussing UL gear. Acting like an authority. Being rude. ...and now you're a victim. Phht.
Stepbystep
549
Dec 1, 2017
AntneeTrue true. I was addressing two of your statements, not any opinion. You said you fail to see the ultralight in JRB, which indicates you maybe don't understand what ultralight is (seem to be focused only on individual item weight?), and then you mentioned innovation from others without really specifiying what that is. I'm just talking tech, no defense of any product/company. If you make me do that I'm going to cheer for the mountain/backpacking quilt makers like Nunatak and Katabatic, with a nod to FF and pass on by all of these hammock-centric quilt makers with the exception of UGQ. But really JRB doesn't deserve to be knocked, and Audible made very good points as to the content and contributions on MD, which are usually so helpful and positive with some wankers here and there.
Antnee
156
Dec 1, 2017
audibleYou really should get something else to do mate.
audible
602
Dec 1, 2017
AntneeFunny. I was going to say the same thing to you. Fortunately, it occurred to me that that's what people say when they know they have no leg to stand on. Thanks for the confirmation.
Motorrad
2898
Dec 3, 2017
AntneeWhat has been made very clear is that it is you, mate, who really should get something else to do.
GAtoME83
15
Dec 4, 2017
LamarrFor me, ounces are everything. I own this quilt and had the opportunity to purchase a 20 degree quilt on Massdrop (EE made) and save about 6 ounces, which I did. IMO you can do a lot better than this one.
Lamarr
15
Dec 4, 2017
GAtoME83I get that there are lighter but if you tell me you paid the same price for an EE 20 degree quilt...... There is a trade for everything. If I'm willing to trade my bank account, I can have anything. I'm just saying that $250 for 6 ounces is a pretty steep curve. But his is what HYOH is all about.