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EwenFR
241
May 7, 2018
According to manufacturer site: Automatic: 38.4mm x 9.9mm Day/Date: 40.4mm x 11.9mm 3 bars for both.
Not my style and overpriced ( J800 is obviously based on 2824-2 ).
Edit: Day/Date has a J800.4, ETA 2836 ( need confirmation ).
CraigLewis
260
May 7, 2018
EwenFRThere are 2824s and 2824s; grade makes a huge difference. Granted, we don't know the grade here. But, the 2824 from ETA comes in chronometer grade with COSC cert. It's not always a low-end movement.
And the movement's not the only factor in the final price. Yes, this is up there for any 2824-centric piece but that doesn't mean overpriced. I will grant, the auto models are not to my taste, but I do like the manual model.
EwenFR
241
May 7, 2018
CraigLewisI wouldn't say low-end but affordable. Even with a higher grade ETA ( which I expect at this price ), these watches are still too expensive. We saw 7750 for half that price and recently in-house swiss movement around $1200 ( even a $160 Victorinox with 2824 ). It's just my opinion, but I find Junghans watches on MD overpriced, even with a higher grade movement, I don't see how the asking price can be justified.
CraigLewis
260
May 7, 2018
EwenFR7750's come in grades, too. A base-model 7750 is probably less expensive than a chrono-level 2824. In-house is great for marketing but it's *not* a be-all, end-all sign of superiority. And what grade 2824 do you expect to find in that Victorinox?
A big problem is, it's next to impossible for the casual buyer to make apples-to-apples comparisons because there are so many variables in play. And what do you, as a buyer want to pay for? Movement, case, dial executions all matter. What's the difference between a $10 Hanes Beefy T and a $100 Outlier merino wool, or $175 Emporio Armani? It's not just the names involved.
As for the prices here...can't speak to Amazon UK, but Amazon US has the driver auto for about $100 more...and they'll charge me state sales tax. So, ok, a UK buyer would likely be foolish to buy through here, but from what I've heard about the duty that'd get charged, how often is *any* watch from Massdrop gonna be a good idea? :) I don't like the auto; I would consider, but probably skip, the normal-scale hand-wound. I have 2 more expected purchases, for specific reasons, and a potential third late next year for another specific reason. I have more watches than any sane person needs, especially given that I'm not a fan of divers or chronographs. I'm pretty much 2 and 3 handers; date's optional but preferably NOT present. So my collection lacks uniqueness...there's quite a bit of overlap here and there. I prefer something distinctive now...or compellingly priced. Last watch in was a Stowa Marine Roman...in part because it's gorgeous, and a great price, in part cuz they offered a top grade 2892 option for a price I couldn't pass up.
So...yeah, I get that you think Junghans is, by and large, not a good value. That's cool. "Value" has a huge subjective component.
EwenFR
241
May 7, 2018
CraigLewisI'm pretty sure that the low-priced 2824 & 7750 on MD use basic ETA. In-house movements actually justify a premium compared to third party, but are not a be-all end-all due to servicing cost and long term part availability.
Back to Junghans, I think they use elaborated ETA because I see blue screws on one picture, but that can not justify this price. I had the same issue on the Max Bill, I see cost-cuttings ( ETA / acrylic crystal ) which are not reflected in MD price. I'm fine with paying an extra for an elaborated ETA, as long as they don't overcharge for it. Here I don't see value, maybe Junghans is not competitive or simply doesn't want to lower its prices.
CraigLewis
260
May 7, 2018
EwenFRGiven that there are literally millions of 2824s out there...from ETA, Sellita, etc...long term parts availablility is almost certain to be a non-issue for a very, very long time. There are also multiple suppliers. I can't speak to repairs complexity, but on these points, the 2824 is way ahead.
Besides, you can still get parts for turn of the century pocket watches produced in the thousands.