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jlamb
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Jul 20, 2015
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How come the machete had shipping to Australia and this doesn't?
Jul 20, 2015
Tmiles
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Jul 20, 2015
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jlambAs Berticus pointed out, thos knife can be considered a double edged knife, which are illegal in Aus and will likely be seized.
Jul 20, 2015
NonKonnektion
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Jul 21, 2015
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TmilesIncorrect.
Double edged knives are NOT prohibited, at least in NSW under the Weapons Prohibition Act 1998 (NSW), schedule 1. http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/consol_act/wpa1998231/sch1.html
Educate yourself and don't assume, as this may negatively affect the intelligence of other users. Berticus is referring to a United States legislation from Massachusetts and California. Last time I checked, Australians weren't subject to United States law while living in Australia unless it had to do with prohibited exports from the United States.
Jul 21, 2015
Grumpy
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Jul 21, 2015
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jlambHas shipping to new zealand
Jul 21, 2015
Antibacterial
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Jul 21, 2015
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jlambI reckon this would be fine to import. Its clearly not a dagger and that's what the double edge is concerning....
Jul 21, 2015
Antibacterial
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Jul 21, 2015
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TmilesNah this one should be fine.....its NOT a dagger.
Jul 21, 2015
NonKonnektion
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Jul 21, 2015
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AntibacterialNo, the legislation does not make ANY reference to daggers.
It also does NOT make reference to "double edge".
It refers to "single-edged OR multi-edged blade or spike" that has either: (4) a handle fitted TRANSVERSELY to the blade (see picture for urban skinner)
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(5) a handle made of a HARD substance designed to protect the knuckles Let's be very clear about this - double-edged knives are NOT illegal in NSW, nor in any other State within Australia to the best of my knowledge. I know our country is backwards, but the legislation doesn't prohibit knives outright fellas, ever wonder how we cut our meat up in the kitchen without going to jail?
Massdrop extend this drop to Australia and be done with it please.
Jul 21, 2015
Tmiles
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Jul 21, 2015
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NonKonnektionWoah no need to get so hostile pal, but perhaps you should educate yourself before you tell others to? I should have been more clear, it is not illegal to own a double edged knife in Australia, but it IS illegal to import them (this may depend on state laws, it is certainly true in WA). Whether or not this would be considered a double edged knife is up to the discretion of the customs officers, which in my experience is not something I would wager ~$50 on. Clearly Massdrop has also recognised this, hence no Australian orders, much like the folding knives. Many Massdrop folding knives are technically legal to import, but once again many of those will be seized as it is dependent on the discretion of the customs officers, who are less than forgiving when it comes to blades.
Jul 21, 2015
Tmiles
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Jul 21, 2015
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NonKonnektionIncorrect.
If you had actually done the research as you claimed, you would have come across our list of prohibited and restricted imports. http://www.border.gov.au/Busi/Impo/Proh "Knives and daggers (restricted import) Description:
Daggers, automatic knives, single handed opening knives, butterfly knives, trench knives, ballistic knives, concealed knives/blades, throwing knives/blades/axes, star knives, push knives, sheath knives, non-metallic knives."
Perhaps you should educate yourself before you assume and negatively affect other's intelligence?
Jul 21, 2015
Antibacterial
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Jul 22, 2015
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TmilesNon of which apply to this knife. The serrations on the top don't make it a double edged blade.
Jul 22, 2015
Antibacterial
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Jul 22, 2015
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NonKonnektionThat's right they are legal to own in NSW but just try to order one without a permit.. Doesn't apply any way as this one should be legal afiak. I've imported a junglas and machetes before with no probs....
Jul 22, 2015
Tmiles
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Jul 22, 2015
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AntibacterialI agree that this shouldn't be considered a double edged blade, however the choice isn't up to you and I- it's down to the choice of the customs officer. Not something I'd wager $70 on.
Jul 22, 2015
NonKonnektion
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Jul 22, 2015
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TmilesImportation is Commonwealth law, possession of weapons as crimes are a state matter. The Commonwealth can't prohibit the importation of a weapon unless it relates to a Commonwealth head of power under the Constitution. I am not being hostile, but you obviously are guessing and don't know what you are talking about, which is why i'm politely suggesting you stop guessing as it isn't contributing to the fact of the discussion.
Jul 22, 2015
NonKonnektion
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Jul 22, 2015
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TmilesDo you have a legal background?
What you just posted is basically a repostulation of the state laws. Define dagger. Define single-handed opening knife. Define butterfly knife. None of these descriptions encompass the article being sold here. There are specific state legislative laws which pertain to support the prohibition of importation at a Federal level.
As an exercise, compare and contrast this with an ordinary kitchen knife.
Jul 22, 2015
NonKonnektion
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Jul 22, 2015
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TmilesThen open the drop and let buyer beware. What are you arguing for? Being "right"?
Jul 22, 2015
NonKonnektion
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Jul 22, 2015
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AntibacterialSorry I forgot I need a permit because the lime green makes the knife more intimidating. Where can I apply for said "permit" for serrated kitchen knife with green handle?
Jul 22, 2015
NonKonnektion
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Jul 22, 2015
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AntibacterialAnd again, double-edged knife is not prohibited; It must be double-edged AND have a transversely fitted handle, OR; be double-edged AND have a handle that allows you to protect your knuckles.
Jul 22, 2015
Tmiles
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Jul 22, 2015
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NonKonnektionYou obviously have very little practical experience with importing knives through Australian customs. Also I don't see how all these laws relating to possession of weapons are relevant when we are discussing the laws and practices regarding importation- surely you realise they are different?
Jul 22, 2015
Tmiles
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Jul 22, 2015
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NonKonnektionI'm arguing to explain something relatively simple to you that you clearly find difficult to understand.
While many of the folding knives or "double edged" knives such as this sold by massdrop may be technically legal to import, the customs official checking the item is the one who interprets the definitions, and they have the power to seize these items. This is why Massdrop no longer imports ANY folding knives into Australia, as though they may be allowed in legislation, many in the past were seized by customs regardless.
For Massdrop it is much safer to have a few ignorant people be upset that they do not import certain knives into Australia than to have e.g. 10 out of 100 knives sold to Australians be seized by customs and have potentially lost those 10 customers who have lost their money.
Jul 22, 2015
zambeezy
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Jul 22, 2015
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TmilesCalm down kid, you get worked up way too easily
Jul 22, 2015
Iain
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Jul 22, 2015
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NonKonnektion@NonKonnektion and @Tmiles can you both please take this argument onto a Google Hangout or something?
Jul 22, 2015
Antibacterial
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Jul 23, 2015
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NonKonnektionNo ....I was talking about importing an ACTUAL dagger like say the Boker Applegate Fairbairn.....you would need a permit for that.
Jul 23, 2015
BF3ACE
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Jul 23, 2015
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TmilesThe discussions were fairly informative until this post, calling someone ignorant when they are trying to have a civil and constructive discussion doesn't make you look "smarter" or more "correct" and it is probably not what Massdrop wanted either.
Jul 23, 2015
NonKonnektion
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Jul 23, 2015
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TmilesI simply am not concerned. I know this knife is not illegal and am willing to take the risk with my money.
If Border Watch did seize it (which it won't), then I'll write them a letter asking them to outline what section of the code they rely upon to seize the article and then politely point out that it is not a prohibited weapon in my state.
I have been importing knives periodically for the past few years for personal collection without issue, I simply stay away from the ones which are illegal. There are "opened by customs" stickers on some of the packages but they are never seized.
Economics: some overpriced eBay seller will get my money rather than Massdrop and it's community. This way you won't be able to complain about it and at $100 more, that will be $100 less I spend on Massdrop products for a while.
Jul 23, 2015
NonKonnektion
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Jul 23, 2015
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AntibacterialOnly if you live in Victoria or the Northern Territory.
Jul 23, 2015
Tmiles
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Jul 23, 2015
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BF3ACEYou're right, I should have phrased that better. What I should have said was "people ignorant of Massdrop's reasons for not importing knives into Australia". However I think that is somewhat of an unfair comment, as his first comment to me was inflammatory straight away e.g. "educate yourself".
Jul 23, 2015
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