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Krikrat
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Jul 19, 2016
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There is no real standard for ultralight other than you are generally carrying less than 20 lbs. We get it this does not make your list of what you'd choose to have in your 20 lbs. I'd hardly call this a car camping tent else you'd have to really enjoy having no room while being in this tent with a second person. If I'm going car camping this is not the tent I'd want to bring out of my collection of tents for two people. I'd pick a 4 man tent or so I have room to move without bumping into the person next to me. I do however take this tent with me backpacking and kayak camping. It folds up nice and compressed and at the weight and price I agree you can hardly beat it. It's a breeze to setup.
As for the category name, there are lots of things in this world I don't agree with and this is hardly one I'd take the time to argue for. However I'm going to take the time to back Massdrop on this one. This site is not setup to have a billion categories for you to filter through like a retailer's website. It's more of a place you browse through the offerings to see if it fits your wants and needs. There are going to be things that loosely fit the name. Some things are going to be more ultralight than others. Heck, sometimes it's not even the best price with things like Amazon around. Half the time when I price check I could have it at my house in two days for $5 more. Does that bother me enough to complain to Massdrop, no.. Because like anything else there are going to be good deals, ok deals, and things that don't quite fit into my preferences like how to categorize an item in a place that doesn't have a whole lot of categories. There are quite a few things on this site that I think are cool, but would never pay even the discounted price that's being offered because I don't agree it's worth that value. Again, preference is different per person. Thank you Massdrop for the opportunity to thumb through your offerings.
Jul 19, 2016
AY1286
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Jul 19, 2016
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KrikratI completely agree. I take this backpacking with my wife and even carrying the entire tent my kit is under 20 pounds. More light than ultralight I know. And for people who complain about the Kelty cosmic bags not being ultralight the Kelty cosmic 40 is also in that kit. Ultralight is a philosophy and a goal, for my budget these options are the best I'm going to get.
Jul 19, 2016
Krikrat
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Jul 19, 2016
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AY1286I too have the Kelty cosmic as my main bag. Though mine is the 20 degree bag. The mountains are significantly cooler at night. If I get too hot I just open the zipper and use it more like a blanket.
Jul 19, 2016
Stepbystep
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Jul 25, 2016
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KrikratJust a polite clarification. "Ultralight" really refers only to a pack base weight of less than 10lbs. Not total pack weight, not individual items. It'd be hard for this particular tent to make it into that arbitrary weight range, but that says nothing about the quality of the tent itself, just semantics and definitions/categories. Not a huge deal.
Jul 25, 2016
Krikrat
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Jul 25, 2016
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StepbystepIt would appear that we have stepped in another thing the internet cannot agree on. I've done a little research I did find 10 lb as an answer as you stated, but I also found 6 lb - 11 lbs, 20 lbs, as well as other answers. I guess we will never really know how much ultralight truly weighs. :)
Jul 25, 2016
fishbulb
Nov 2, 2016
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AY1286I'd be very curious to see your setup if you can keep the pack below 20 lbs.
Nov 2, 2016
Vajtagal
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Nov 3, 2016
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fishbulbEasy. Start with tarptent or similar tent , mines 26 ounces. EE Revelation quilt, 30 degrees 16 ounces. 38 ounces so far. Pad- lots of light weight pads, mines 12 ounces. 48 ounces. 3 pounds and packs small. Smaller lighter pack needed as a result. 6 pounds for me for pack, tent, pad and quilt.
Nov 3, 2016
fishbulb
Nov 3, 2016
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VajtagalYou are not the person I was asking. His tent is 5 lbs and 3 lb sleeping bag
Nov 3, 2016
Krikrat
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Nov 3, 2016
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fishbulbTo be fair when every ounce counts it's more like a 4.5 lb tent and a 2 lb sleeping bag. You're off by like a pound and a half. At 1.5 lbs you're well on your way to having a sleeping pad included in your original 8 lbs.
Nov 3, 2016
AY1286
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Nov 4, 2016
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fishbulbFor 3 day trip
Gregory z40 42oz Kelty salida 2 62oz stripped down to everything but fly, body and poles. Kelty cosmic down 40, 33oz Thermarest evolite 17oz Zpacks dry bag 1.2
Food 64oz Water 32oz Stove and windscreen 5.7oz Fuel 9oz Zpacks bear bag 1.4
Tops MSK 3.1oz First aid 4oz Other 10oz
Marmot precip 13oz Icebreaker long sleeve merino 7oz Sleeping shorts 4oz Stoic merino underwear 6oz Darn tough socks 5oz
319.4 oz 19.96 pounds and I rounded up to full ounces on most. Dog carries his food and water. Wife carries her stuff.
I use glad garbage bags for a rain skirt in a downpour, pack liner and pack cover. Haven't weighed them but they're lighter than the contractor bags and fairly durable. Pushes me just over 20 pounds though. I'm "fortunate"to live in Maryland where it's November and was in the 70s today so I can do without heavier clothes for much of the year.
Nov 4, 2016
Stepbystep
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Nov 4, 2016
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KrikratLongtime standards for base weight categories are: XUL - 3lbs ; SUL - 5lbs ; UL - 10lbs. Above ten pounds makes you "light" but that's always been some blurry other category...I think I mostly heard 10-20 was "light" but of course that's in comparison to old school gear/weights. Not sure where you're looking but the "internet" has pretty much agreed on those figures for years now. That said, it's only a reference of ease, not some hard and fast rule...and again, base weight inclusive. There are items that by today's standards one would not necessarily think of as "ultralight" that can easily make it into an ultralight base weight depending on your other gear. As you start dropping below the magic 10 pound barrier, there is less room for error in the items you choose. Bottom line is to use what works and get out and have fun. Far too many people get caught up in minutia of numbers, which is fun in its own way so long as you don't fret about it.
Nov 4, 2016
Krikrat
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Nov 4, 2016
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StepbystepI looked at a bunch of different sites to get a general range of what people were saying. I do remember specifically that the 20 lb base weight was REI. I guess I take that as a surprise they are different since they are one of my favorite stores to window shop all the things I want but won't likely ever spend the money on. I refuse to buy things that are one purpose. I bought most of my backpacking equipment that way in case I didn't like it as much as car camping. If I couldn't use it on any type of camping trip then it wasn't worth having. All the backpacking equipment as come in handy for the kayak camping trips.
Agreed about the people that are too caught up in numbers, and I'm going to add labels to that too. Nothing is impossible because there is always a way to surprise people that you can do something they didn't think of. I've met some pretty frugal people in my life that have blown my mind about what is possible when you put some effort into something...lol. It just proves to me that having money to spend on luxuries makes me lazy and suppresses creativity.
Nov 4, 2016
Stepbystep
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Nov 4, 2016
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KrikratIf we're looking at the same article on REI's site, they appear to be referencing total pack weight, not base weight. REI has never really embraced ultralight and often when the reference it, it seems that they don't really understand it well. Some of their help articles are good, most are just ok, and they miss the mark frequently...I don't consider them a very good source for information but do refer rank beginners there on occasion for the intro and checklist articles.
Nov 4, 2016
Krikrat
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Nov 4, 2016
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StepbystepYeah I agree about the beginner stuff. I've tried to go to their classes to see if I could pick up some tips/tricks for when I'm outdoors. Most of it is like starting from scratch and not for people that have spent any significant time outdoors. At most I might get like one or two ideas at most that I hadn't thought of previously. Still my favorite toy store. I think Massdrop is my second favorite only because I can't play with things first.
Nov 4, 2016
Vajtagal
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Apr 25, 2017
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fishbulbIt is a public forum. Others do chime in. I like the added insight/ help when others chime in, it's part of the works.
Apr 25, 2017
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