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tacdrvr
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Jan 11, 2018
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Ok I've spent two whole days watching all the videos (including the ones that needed subtitles) and reading all I can about the "Brute", "Thuck", GBP1 or whatever you want to call it on the interweb. I've got a weak spot for beastly knives and I couldn't resist any longer and joined the drop. For me a $100 isn't a drop in the bucket for a knife so I do my research and think this is too bada$$ a blade to pass on, especially at this price. I hope anyone on the fence gives it full consideration and doesn't disregard it after all the discussions on bearings, thumb studs, warranties, etc. I think it will certainly exceed my expectations once it's in hand.
Kavik
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Jan 12, 2018
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tacdrvrI think at this point most of us are just dismissing the solitary, unsubstantiated claim of any "notorious" thumb stud issues......regardless of how often or how loudly it's "shouted" at us LOL
I support the rest of your post though. We all impulse buy from time to time, but it's never a bad idea to put thought into each purchase.
I support the rest of your post though. We all impulse buy from time to time, but it's never a bad idea to put thought into each purchase.
SeadonkeyLove
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Jan 13, 2018
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tacdrvrI’m like you, I researched a lot of YouTube reviews and spoke to some buddies from the custom and mid tech collection world I used to circle in. I think, after handling and having a Thuck for a brief period of time back in 2013 I am passing on this one. the price is excellent, however my recent disappointment with Kizer in QC has been disappointing to say the least. I don’t mind their exact formula they use on every knife, in that way consistency is good and is part what they are seeking. For me, I found the last knife I received from them dull and also the action was not in the lines of acceptability for me for the price. I have been impressed with WE Knife Co. and Bestech. I had to pass on this at the last moment, I hope the knife turns out well and you are satisfied with your decision. Cheers!
Kavik
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Jan 13, 2018
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SeadonkeyLoveHmmm.... Having never owned/handled a kizer, I hope I don't notice the drop of in quality I guess haha
Seriously though, just wanted to respond to the comment on the sharpness out of the box: is that really such a big deal? I've never understood reviews that complain about that....I've never bought a knife that I didn't resharpen myself at the earliest opportunity whether it really needed it or not. I think more important is how the edge holds up once the end user has put the first real edge on it themselves to their liking. If i were buying something custom, yes, I'd expect the maker to give it a proper edge, but a production knife out of a factort? No flat spots, no rough grind marks and no burrs left hanging and I'm happy enough *shrugs* Then again, some people just enjoy the act of sharpening
Anywho, I'll be receiving this and my first Bestech right around the same time, so interested in comparing the general fit and finish of the two brands side by side :)
Seriously though, just wanted to respond to the comment on the sharpness out of the box: is that really such a big deal? I've never understood reviews that complain about that....I've never bought a knife that I didn't resharpen myself at the earliest opportunity whether it really needed it or not. I think more important is how the edge holds up once the end user has put the first real edge on it themselves to their liking. If i were buying something custom, yes, I'd expect the maker to give it a proper edge, but a production knife out of a factort? No flat spots, no rough grind marks and no burrs left hanging and I'm happy enough *shrugs* Then again, some people just enjoy the act of sharpening
Anywho, I'll be receiving this and my first Bestech right around the same time, so interested in comparing the general fit and finish of the two brands side by side :)
tacdrvr
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Jan 13, 2018
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KavikIt's nice to receive well sharpened knife, but some stropping is usually a necessity on mass produced knives anyways.
The Bestech G10 line is really good for those of us on a budget. I have 2 so far, with more to come. My only gripe with them is the G10 is a little too smooth... but that's really remedied.
The Bestech G10 line is really good for those of us on a budget. I have 2 so far, with more to come. My only gripe with them is the G10 is a little too smooth... but that's really remedied.
Kavik
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Jan 13, 2018
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tacdrvrDon't get me wrong, it's a nice bonus when they come sharp, but i wouldn't knock a brand just because they come with a mediocre edge, that's all i meant. It really is a non issue for me as I'm always eager to see how a blade reacts to different types of sharpening methods anyway.
Between the knives, the straight razors, and woodworking tools I've got everything from lapping films to ceramic rods, to paper wheels, to natural and synthetic bench stones, to a mini belt sander thing, to diamond plates, to a Tormek water wheel.........to me, half the fun in collecting these things is in the sharpening. Otherwise they just sit around looking pretty and collecting dust, can't use more than one at a time, right? Lol
The Bestech drop I'm waiting on is the Goblin. So both knives are S35VN blades with titanium framelock handles. These two will be my first experience with this steel as well as with titanium. One big beast of a blade on washers and one tiny little guy on ceramic ball bearings (also a new one for me). So all around it should be a fun little comparison.
Definitely do have my eye on a few from their G10 line though, just waiting to actually see their product in hand before deciding on buying any more. I think I've spent almost at much on knives this month as all of last year combined, gotta slow it down a bit haha
The Bestech drop I'm waiting on is the Goblin. So both knives are S35VN blades with titanium framelock handles. These two will be my first experience with this steel as well as with titanium. One big beast of a blade on washers and one tiny little guy on ceramic ball bearings (also a new one for me). So all around it should be a fun little comparison.
Definitely do have my eye on a few from their G10 line though, just waiting to actually see their product in hand before deciding on buying any more. I think I've spent almost at much on knives this month as all of last year combined, gotta slow it down a bit haha
SeadonkeyLove
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Jan 13, 2018
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KavikTo be honest it is just a matter of principle. In my opinion every knife owner should have an understanding on how to sharpen their knives, whether it's their kitchen cutlery or their budget folders they use on a routine basis or their higher end EDC blades that they may spend up to ridiculous amounts on. I definitely understand when ordering a knife that is a massively produced production knife that one might need to hone the edge or do some minor tweaking on the pivot or hardware; however that is not to suggest that it should be accepted as the norm. Would you buy an entry level lawn mower that required one to fidget with it to get it to work and do the job you purchased it for?? What about if you purchased a boat that needed some dry patching before putting her in the cove, let alone the open sea? I bought a front-loading washing machine a couple years ago that needed about four hours of work with a walk through from customer service in order it to work and clean my clothes 100% of the time without an error message. That was grossly vexing and became a source of consternation for me for a few days. The examples are endless, but you get the gist of my philosophy on the topic. If I'm ordering a knife or buying one from a maker at a show I'd expect it to function for the purpose it was designed and being purchased for.
SeadonkeyLove
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Jan 13, 2018
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KavikYou and I are in a position where we can and enjoy sharpening our tools with machinery that is not readily available for the average consumer/ user. I do agree with your comments about working with your tools is a huge part of the fun in discovery and learning more about the steel is engaging and exciting. S35VN is not my favorite, but I won't delve into that tirade on here. If you belong to any of the knife forums there are endless threads and topics about blade steel on there.
As far as working with steel in grinding to using, those are two separate topics and as a user the S35VN is adequate for most daily tasks. It is convenient to sharpen and also is why most people love it, just not great for heavy tasks and definitely not something I'd want to have as a primary blade (fixed). The problem is with Crucible and prominent makers who pushed it like Chris Reeve and others years ago that really pushed this steel it has left us as consumers to be flooded and inundated with that steel in most of the everyday carry knives now as the stock of the billets and rolls of steel at leading manufacturing and distributing centers will sell it for bargain pricing due to the vast quantities of it from all the hype.
As a result, most of the knives we see today in these Chinese companies and even the familiar ones we see from our favorite online knife sources are all found to utilize S35VN. I for one really enjoy the D2 used by Bestech, but again that is because D2 is cheap for them and it is easy to grind.
It's going to be fun hearing about your comparisons and also hearing how fun the journey of knife exploration is for you. Best of luck, cheers.
As far as working with steel in grinding to using, those are two separate topics and as a user the S35VN is adequate for most daily tasks. It is convenient to sharpen and also is why most people love it, just not great for heavy tasks and definitely not something I'd want to have as a primary blade (fixed). The problem is with Crucible and prominent makers who pushed it like Chris Reeve and others years ago that really pushed this steel it has left us as consumers to be flooded and inundated with that steel in most of the everyday carry knives now as the stock of the billets and rolls of steel at leading manufacturing and distributing centers will sell it for bargain pricing due to the vast quantities of it from all the hype.
As a result, most of the knives we see today in these Chinese companies and even the familiar ones we see from our favorite online knife sources are all found to utilize S35VN. I for one really enjoy the D2 used by Bestech, but again that is because D2 is cheap for them and it is easy to grind.
It's going to be fun hearing about your comparisons and also hearing how fun the journey of knife exploration is for you. Best of luck, cheers.
SeadonkeyLove
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Jan 13, 2018
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tacdrvrAgreed, I believe the same can be said about the Swordfish I got a couple months ago in November. I will add that since having that knife, I switched it out of my pocket from a Graham custom... and it has not left my pocket until yesterday when I took it out to clean it and hone the edge with a few passes on each side.
It has been such a fun knife to carry, the orange and black G10 and the blade shape have been something I've been really wanting for awhile now. I've carried plenty of orange knives and even modded a Strider with custom orange G10 scales a few years ago. I have just been really impressed with how well this knife has held up and how smooth it is on deployment and closing. The bearings are solid and there has been no play or slop in any area. The only QC, which isn't really quality control.. it's more of a CAD design element really - the beveling and chamfering of the edges of the G10 would have been a nice detail to make it a bit more comfortable in the hand of the user. I have smaller hands though, so I'm sure it isn't that noticeable for other users. I'm just really picky and that is my preference with knives when purchasing and collecting or when I made them.
I too ordered the Bestech that was on here about a few weeks ago that I was just notified was shipped along with a fountain pen and bottled ink from MD. I should probably slow down on here... I should ban myself from MD for awhile, but I don't see that happening. Oh, and the Bestech came sharp. = )
It has been such a fun knife to carry, the orange and black G10 and the blade shape have been something I've been really wanting for awhile now. I've carried plenty of orange knives and even modded a Strider with custom orange G10 scales a few years ago. I have just been really impressed with how well this knife has held up and how smooth it is on deployment and closing. The bearings are solid and there has been no play or slop in any area. The only QC, which isn't really quality control.. it's more of a CAD design element really - the beveling and chamfering of the edges of the G10 would have been a nice detail to make it a bit more comfortable in the hand of the user. I have smaller hands though, so I'm sure it isn't that noticeable for other users. I'm just really picky and that is my preference with knives when purchasing and collecting or when I made them.
I too ordered the Bestech that was on here about a few weeks ago that I was just notified was shipped along with a fountain pen and bottled ink from MD. I should probably slow down on here... I should ban myself from MD for awhile, but I don't see that happening. Oh, and the Bestech came sharp. = )
Kavik
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Jan 13, 2018
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SeadonkeyLoveI get your point, but do think those examples are maybe a bit overkill lol
A lawnmower that needs it's throttle speed adjusted? Sure, I'm okay with that.
A boat needing patching? That's more akin to getting a knife with its scales falling off or a broken locking mechanism...which is a return situation.
We're talking repairs vs final tuning is all i'm saying. As another example, i bought a Japanese block plane a month or so back. Wonderful tool.... Now.... but it is expected of the customer to do a lot of the finish work themselves. From sharpening to final shaping and flattening of the wood block. Took me like 2 hours of sanding and chiseling and filing and sharpening before it was ready for use, and that's just kinda the way it is. My turning tools and chisels ALL required flattening and/or sharpening, most times they aren't even close to the right bevel angle when they come
And really, not being argumentative, hope it doesn't come across that way :) if it's important to some, that's up to them. I'm just bored and rambling at this point haha
We're talking repairs vs final tuning is all i'm saying. As another example, i bought a Japanese block plane a month or so back. Wonderful tool.... Now.... but it is expected of the customer to do a lot of the finish work themselves. From sharpening to final shaping and flattening of the wood block. Took me like 2 hours of sanding and chiseling and filing and sharpening before it was ready for use, and that's just kinda the way it is. My turning tools and chisels ALL required flattening and/or sharpening, most times they aren't even close to the right bevel angle when they come
And really, not being argumentative, hope it doesn't come across that way :) if it's important to some, that's up to them. I'm just bored and rambling at this point haha
SeadonkeyLove
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Jan 13, 2018
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Kavikno no, it's all in good fun or in just conversation. I'm not some keyboard commando or armchair warrior who seeks out to pick arguments as a troll online. I definitely hear what you are saying and yes... I was being a bit dramatic as far as the cited examples LOL.
Yes, if the G10, hardware stripped, epoxy cracked or the bevel was like two to three... then that's a huge problem. For me, I usually invest historically in new knife makers because I have enjoyed being in the process of their learning or just the journey of their knife making voyage. This has in turn allowed me to partake in some of their early creations that haven't always been perfect. Whether or not the bevel has needed to be reground or the hardware adjusted to recenter the blade or lockbar tweaked to allow for a more secure lockup or even earlier one is all understandable. Those have been handmade custom ground and fitted knives that someone who is in the early stages of their hobby are working out and figuring out that is exciting and rewarding.
When I purchase a product sold to the masses by a company that is selling knives (intended on cutting things) and it doesn't do so because the edge of the blade is so dull it cannot cut paper or open an envelope in the mail without tearing it... that is pretty unsatisfactory. Not everyone has a 2 x 72 grinder or even the popular sharpeners like a Wicked Edge or Spyderco, let alone would take the time to set up to make the blade sharp. It is just out of principle, nothing more.
Let me know how yours new knives turn out, I'm excited to get my second Bestech from MD in the upcoming week.
Yes, if the G10, hardware stripped, epoxy cracked or the bevel was like two to three... then that's a huge problem. For me, I usually invest historically in new knife makers because I have enjoyed being in the process of their learning or just the journey of their knife making voyage. This has in turn allowed me to partake in some of their early creations that haven't always been perfect. Whether or not the bevel has needed to be reground or the hardware adjusted to recenter the blade or lockbar tweaked to allow for a more secure lockup or even earlier one is all understandable. Those have been handmade custom ground and fitted knives that someone who is in the early stages of their hobby are working out and figuring out that is exciting and rewarding.
When I purchase a product sold to the masses by a company that is selling knives (intended on cutting things) and it doesn't do so because the edge of the blade is so dull it cannot cut paper or open an envelope in the mail without tearing it... that is pretty unsatisfactory. Not everyone has a 2 x 72 grinder or even the popular sharpeners like a Wicked Edge or Spyderco, let alone would take the time to set up to make the blade sharp. It is just out of principle, nothing more.
Let me know how yours new knives turn out, I'm excited to get my second Bestech from MD in the upcoming week.
Kavik
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Jan 13, 2018
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SeadonkeyLoveIt's true, I know i have way more sharpening equipment than the average Joe, but I've been like this since i was a pre-teen and all i had was a single dished out, generic, old combo stone
I've got accounts at most of the big knife forums, but haven't been on them much these last couple years. I'll do some digging around.
I've only got one knife in D2, a Kershaw Leek, and I've been quite impressed with the edge retention on that steel (though, too be honest, it's a delicate knife so hasn't seen very heavy use) I think the other that comes close in sharpness and retention is a SOG i have in VG10 that holds a great edge but doesn't chip the way some VG10's are prone to doing. It is harder to get a good edge on it though.
So interested in seeing how these compare to those in ease of sharpening and lasting ability
I've got accounts at most of the big knife forums, but haven't been on them much these last couple years. I'll do some digging around.
I've only got one knife in D2, a Kershaw Leek, and I've been quite impressed with the edge retention on that steel (though, too be honest, it's a delicate knife so hasn't seen very heavy use) I think the other that comes close in sharpness and retention is a SOG i have in VG10 that holds a great edge but doesn't chip the way some VG10's are prone to doing. It is harder to get a good edge on it though.
So interested in seeing how these compare to those in ease of sharpening and lasting ability
MaxwellDemonic
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Jan 16, 2018
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Kavik I got in on the Bestech 1708 Tercel run they did recently, aside from some nit-picky little design issues, it's a fantastic knife.
Honestly for $130 it was a steal. The Blade Centering is spot on. After I cleaned out whatever heavier oil they were using, the action is amaaaazing. The blade grind is impeccable. It was exceedingly sharp out of the box. It had a bit of lockstick but after using it for a bit it's now worn in and not an issue. The detent is well dialed in, firm but not overly so and no blade movement when closed. No vertical or horizontal blade play.
My little issues: The pivot is a pain since it's fitted for a coin or the like, It begs for a detent ramp, and there are some hotspots that could use some chamfering.
Overall I'm extremely impressed with the fit and finish of that particular Bestech and I'm probably going to pick up more from them.
Bonus: Since I got it in gray (1708B) I ended up getting one of the first production ones (027/100).
Honestly for $130 it was a steal. The Blade Centering is spot on. After I cleaned out whatever heavier oil they were using, the action is amaaaazing. The blade grind is impeccable. It was exceedingly sharp out of the box. It had a bit of lockstick but after using it for a bit it's now worn in and not an issue. The detent is well dialed in, firm but not overly so and no blade movement when closed. No vertical or horizontal blade play.
My little issues: The pivot is a pain since it's fitted for a coin or the like, It begs for a detent ramp, and there are some hotspots that could use some chamfering.
Overall I'm extremely impressed with the fit and finish of that particular Bestech and I'm probably going to pick up more from them.
Bonus: Since I got it in gray (1708B) I ended up getting one of the first production ones (027/100).
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