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angelyn
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Dec 31, 2017
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This may make more sense from a female perspective. The first thing I thought of was going for an eye with this during a rape. As mentioned, an eye is hard to hit, but maybe not so hard when it's hovering right in front of you. Wouldn't work in every situation, depending on many factors, just one of which would be diligence about keeping it close at hand. I can't imagine carrying around most of the knives that come up in this community. I'm pretty sure they would just be taken from me and used against me in an attack. But this is covert enough I think an attacker would be less likely to notice it, know what it is, and try to take it away. I don't plan on buying one. I just wanted to present a counter-argument to all the hate.
warchyld67
Dec 31, 2017
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angelynthanks for your perspective...so many just love coming on massdrop and talking crap about things they never intend to buy. its a get off me tool. many seem to think self defense is about toe to toe all or nothing fights to the death., its about getting away...
warchyld67
Dec 31, 2017
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silverspurr59wow you ARE just about ALL WRONG on everything arent ya rambo?
dlwiest
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Mar 11, 2018
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angelynIf it makes you feel safer / more confident, cool, but know that this is a terrible self-defense weapon. Even knives aren't particularly good, because they won't stun your attacker like a gunshot would -- the momentary pain is just going to raise his adrenaline levels, which could make him even more aggressive -- and from a legal standpoint, it's extremely difficult to fend someone off with a knife without it escalating from "self defense" to "assault with a deadly weapon". This carries all the same drawbacks as a knife, but with an almost 0% chance of disabling your attacker.
tacticalzen.com
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Mar 12, 2018
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angelynWell stated, Angelyn.
As you point out, this sharp-force trauma tool, providing it's sturdy enough, would be useful as a last-ditch self preservation option - a reality that many people refuse to acknowledge.
With the right training in threat based situations, situational awareness, deployment and use of this tool, including (as you aptly point out) high-value target areas, this would maximise survivability, allowing one to escape the situation, or to re-establish the dominance hierarchy.
MaxwellDemonic
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Mar 12, 2018
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tacticalzen.comI guess my question is, how is this more effective than some high potency pepper spray? With two inches max penetration, a small wound tract, and a softer material like Titanium, you're looking at very specific points to be disabling, fewer for lethality, and a one or maybe two-shot chance to impart that before crossing the "self defense" threshold. Non-lethal deterrents are in many ways the safest, most effective, and most legal option for self-defense.
tacticalzen.com
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Mar 12, 2018
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MaxwellDemonicMaxwell, you make some good points.
Regarding the pepper-spray comparison: they are both use of force continuum options. I agree that there is a case to be made for pepper-spray also.
Regarding your point about the limited penetration: another good point. I would see this as most probably a tool to distract the offender, so the intended victim can move to their next option, ideally escape.
Regarding your point that this tool is made of titanium: Excellent point, and I agree that any tool needs to be structurally able to perform the intended job. It may be the case, as you suggest, that titanium is not the best material for this, I'm not actually sure if titanium is strong enough.
Regarding being able to execute any use of force response, especially to specific target areas, this is why I suggest proper and authentic training, which should cover target areas, and through stress-inoculation drills, the student should be able to overcome the paralysis that can often occur in a threat based situation, and whilst still making a judgement as to whether they're justified to use Use Of Force, the idea is that they can use a trained response.
Regarding your point about using disproportionate force: this too is a valid and relevant issue. Again, any authentic training will cover 'reasonable force', based on legislation relevant to that jurisdiction. It is then a matter of personal responsibility.
In regards to your last point, about non-lethal forms of self defence: I couldn't agree more with you. My preference, and the tool I advocate and suggest, is the tac-light (for example a SureFire). Something like this gives you the advantage of lighting up a situation, turning a low-light environment into an area of operations where you have good visibility. It is also, as you know, a very effective blunt-force-trauma tool.
My original comment was specific to the item for sale. But you make some very valid points. Thanks for the banter.
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