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Kovea Hydra Dual-Fuel Stove

Kovea Hydra Dual-Fuel Stove

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Hoping to see this in a drop soon.
Is there any benefit to this over an MSR Whisperlite Universal or International? The pricing is very similar and MSR has a great reputation. I've never heard of Kovea but that obviously doesn't mean they don't make a quality product. I'd appreciate any thoughts and insight. Thanks.
dont_forget
Kovea is a longtime stovemaker and carries similar name recognition to MSR in other parts of the world. the benefits over the whisperlite are that the hydra is quieter, packs down substantially smaller, and does not need to change out a jet to run white gas or canister fuel. The whisperlite is somewhat easier to clean, and although you have to use a different jet for each fuel, it can burn more types. the whisperlite international needs to change a hose to burn canister fuel.
Nice to see the Hydra available again. The Hydra is an innovative approach to one of the quietest stoves of its type. I wouldn't call it super light, but if you need the dual fuel (white gas, canister gas) capability, it's worth a look. It's also by far one of the most compact stoves of its class.
One of the things that seems to be true about stoves is that the quieter they are the more you have to protect them from wind. The Hydra is no exception. One needs to use a windscreen that extends no less than 75% up the sides of the pot. In other words, the height of the windscreen, at a minimum, has to be equal to the height of the stove + three quarters of the height of the pot. And that's minimum. More coverage is better, up to the top of the pot.
I have reviewed this stove if anyone were interested: https://sectionhiker.com/the-kovea-hydra-backpacking-stove/
HJ
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I have not tried to burn alcohol in this stove. I generally will only try fuels recommended by the manufacturer in a stove. There is an issue of safety. Some materials (gaskets and such) can be degraded by alcohol. Degradation could result in a catastrophic stove failure and a visit to the Emergency Room -- or worse. One should NOT assume that seals that work with petroleum based fuels will automatically work with alcohol fuels. I counsel against experimentation with such unless you're familiar with alcohol resistant material types and equally familiar with what materials are used in a particular stove.
HJ
Well, if you're looking for a stove that can operate on both canister gas or liquid petroleum based fuels, I don't think the Milli Joule would meet your needs. The Milli Joule is canister gas only and is a relatively high end stove designed primarily for cold weather use.
If you want a dual fuel option (anister gas or liquid petroleum based fuels), then the Omni Lite Ti is a good options although the Omni Lite is a tad expensive and is a little lower powered than some. The regular Primus Omni fuel is heavier but is less expensive and more powerful.
The Whisperlite Universal at $140 is a good buy, but does not come with a fuel bottle.
Really, when you consider that this drop (of the Hydra) comes with a fuel bottle, I don't think you're going to do better for a stove that can handle both canister gas or liquid petroleum based fuels.
HJ
Please offer this on a drop--you have 122 folks interested in this stove.
rd04342
Available now!
PaigeD
yep, I was the first one to buy!
You have lock picking tools offered daily and now have 95 users requesting this stove so how about offering it again?
Any chance of this drop coming back in the next month or three?
Greatdane
Finally available, after a long anticipated wait!
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Bulk order shipped! The vendor informed us that the group's order was picked up and is on its way to our warehouse in New Jersey. Based on the tracking provided, the order is scheduled to arrive on 1/5.
Expect another update from us on 1/10 or sooner if something comes up.
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Thanks again for joining this drop! We have submitted the group's order with the vendor for the Kovea Hydra Dual-Fuel Stove and they are working hard to prepare it for shipment.
As soon as the group's order is ready at the vendor's location, they will send the bulk shipment to our warehouse in New Jersey where our warehouse team will break it up into individual orders and ship them. The current estimated ship date from our warehouse is 1/5.
We will keep the group updated throughout the fulfillment process. You can expect an update from us by the end of the day Pacific Time on 1/3.
If you have any questions, please visit our Help Center (http://massdrop.com/helpcenter).
Is there anyone experienced with both this and the Kovea Spider? How would the burner on this compare with the Spider?
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Thanks hikin_jim! I own the spider, and it is usually my go to stove. I really love it. I generally hike with one other friend, so I don't need larger pot stands or white gas capabilities. I just wondered whether it was a better burner or more reliable/easier to clean and service? I like the inverted cannister stand, but it's probably not strictly necessary or worth joining for.
I like your reviews, and appreciate the reply :)
weggs
If you've got the Spider and it's working for you, then there's no compelling reason to go to the Hydra. I would not say that it's easier to clean and service. The Hydra has a side mounted jet. I wouldn't say that it's horribly difficult to service, but certainly not easier than the Spider.
HJ
I have a kovea stove in my possession and all documents -no warranty details, web page has no details -field repair details shows a pair of pliers
so again why buy a stove when you can't get parts or customer service? go to msr web page you can call them for anything and they are awesome. I broke a msr product and they replaced it and shipped 2-3 days. Are you going to call korea for support?
field repair tool incomplete and instructions shows pliers. Msr has a small flat lightweight tool that has a V notch to substitute pliers.
anyways people do your research and just because it's on MD doesn't mean it's a great price. Go to REI and see what is comparable and cheaper.
camshaft
What I would do if I were you is to scroll way down to the last post you made about this...where John Parks, the Kovea USA rep replied very nicely with a ton of information including his personal contact information (his own cell number if I recall?). Sure sounded like he was willing to bend over backwards to help with anything you or other customers need. When was the last time you saw someone from MSR show up to address customer comments and such? For me, that'd be never, as much as I do also love MSR as a company. I think the EDC community has some nice sharpening stones for that axe you're grinding. :)
camshaft
Look for a post by @ODJP , he answered all @camshaft questions. @camshaft never responded. Do not up vote this. @ODJP is John Park from Kovea USA. He literally gave out his cell phone number for anyone who has issues or questions with Kovea. How much more customer service do you need?
@DannyMilks can you confirm the weight? Is the 10.9 oz with or without the fuel pump?
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Thank you. I missed that.
skyjacker
No worries. If I'm missing something that basic in one of my reviews, please let me know!
HJ
Hikin' Jim of at Adventures in Stoving has the most thorough review of the Hydra (he writes at adventuresinstoving.com but this particular review was posted at Section Hiker)
http://sectionhiker.com/the-kovea-hydra-backpacking-stove/
DannyMilks
I don't know about this Hikin' Jim character. I mean what does he know? ;)
i own one of these. took it backpacking twice. it works fine. it probably is a good buy if this is really what you want. reason i say that is for what i do (short backpacking trips 11000 feet or less) it is overkill. there are good reasons to get a white gas backpacking stove, but if you do not have a good reason, it is dumb, because it is way more complicated, heavier, and bigger than a simple isobutane cannister stove attachment. kovea makes those also by the way, mine is titanium. it weighs 3.31 oz (+ isobutane cannister). BTW if you have trouble lighting the Hydra, just get some fuel to spill or leak onto the head and light it. once the head is hot you will have a gas burner just like at home in the kitchen. really hot. but think about it - if you are going to use an isobutane cannister anyway, why lug the Hydra along?
wintermutt
Hikin' Jim recommends using just a dash of alcohol to prime this - cleaner and easier to control. http://sectionhiker.com/the-kovea-hydra-backpacking-stove/
DannyMilks
but not as much fun as scaring the other hikers with your enormous "prime".
I'm going to just post this here and quietly walk away. . . http://adventuresinstoving.blogspot.com/2016/11/the-kovea-hydra-first-look.html
Darn, looks like I just missed getting in on this. If anyone who did purchase one changes their minds and decides they don't want theirs, I'll be happy to purchase it from you.
Beaker
It's back, @Beaker . Kovea Hydra now available.
All of the orders have been shipped and are now on the way to you! Once tracking is available, you will receive a confirmation email with tracking information. Please allow 24-48 hours for this information to update in the courier’s system.
If you have any questions, please visit our Help Center (http://massdrop.com/helpcenter).
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Bulk order shipped! The vendor informed us that the group's order was picked up and is on its way to our warehouse in New Jersey. Based on the tracking provided, the order is scheduled to arrive on 10/14.
Expect another update from us on 10/17 or sooner if something comes up.
If you have any questions, please visit our Help Center (https://massdrop.com/helpcenter).
Awaiting confirmation! We are still in contact with the vendor and just awaiting updated shipment estimates from them. We have a call scheduled first thing tomorrow morning and should get a bit more visibility in regards to when we can expect these in our warehouse.
Expect another update from us on 10/11 or sooner if something comes up.
If you have any questions, please visit our Help Center (https://massdrop.com/helpcenter).
Thanks again for joining this drop! We have submitted the group's order with the vendor for the Kovea Hydra Dual-Fuel Stove and they are working hard to prepare it for shipment.
As soon as the group's order is ready at the vendor's location, they will send the bulk shipment to our warehouse in New Jersey where our warehouse team will break it up into individual orders and ship them. The current estimated ship date from our warehouse is 10/14.
We will keep the group updated throughout the fulfillment process. You can expect an update from us by the end of the day Pacific Time on 10/7.
If you have any questions, please visit our Help Center (http://massdrop.com/helpcenter).
Is this stove just that new? I can't really find any in-depth reviews on it...
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@DannyMilks, Things are well. - I'm so tempted for this, but I think I'm going to hold out. I have had my eye on the Primus OmniLite Ti. It has more fuel options (although I doubt I'll use anything other then whitegas, and Iso-pro), and a similar weight. The thing I think (my hypothesis) is the OmniLite Ti will do better at simmering, as it has a secondary spindle throttle at the stove end, as well as the bottle end. I'll probably dislike having to change out the jets, but I think I'll like having more cooking options with better simmer control... I was never really concerned with noise, which seems to be one of the pluses for this stove.
l3db3tt3r
@l3db3tt3rTrue enough, you can't really go wrong with a Primus. If you can get it wit the silencer (in Canada it is sold for 250CAD, around 190USD), it does help distributing the heat more evenly and thus does help for simmering too. But depending on the fuel you will need to change the nipple. Demonstrating the silencer :
Two friends with the smaller kovea, no problems. And you make good points but you are being completely judgemental by saying overseas equals worse quality control. That is a very incorrect statement, and frankly somewhat racist (I'm a white American so I'm not choosing sides here) just pointing out that other countries including Korea put out great, high standards of products. you may have gotten a bad one and now say the whole company and country are to blame.
Your points are well made about the warranty issues.
Here I am, in a situation where I bought an American made chair for backpacking, lifetime warranty. I've taken it on two trips, both times it failed. The first time I had to pay to ship it in and get it fixed. I get it back, try to use it again and it breaks in the exact same way and place. Yes I used it properly and am WAY under the weight limit. So.....Do I pay to ship it in and get it fixed again so I can have it break a third time in the middle of the woods? Do I contact the company telling them their stuff is crap and I want all my money back? Or do I go online bashing the company and country of origin because something I bought from them has been a complete lemon and literally dead weight for over 100 miles? Everything about it matches what your trying to prove, American made, easy warranty, supposed high quality QC. yet here I am super bummed with a purchase and nothing to do about it. Sometimes things just go bad with a purchase and it's just your turn to get it. Yes it could be a company issue or country of origin or sometimes you just get the one that slipped through the cracks.
I own a Kovea Booster Dual Max stove, and have been very pleased with its quality and performance. I would not hesitate to buy another Kovea product -- and the dual fuel option that requires no change of needles at all works great and is super convenient.
Thanks for the list been looking for a stove like this, now to figure out if i can afford it lol
Blkrose5150
I understand your patience. I had to wait for 2-3 years before finding one that was convincing enough for me to buy, and even then I crossed fingers for it to drop here.
Ok ... now I understand why the whisperlite stays so expensive compared to other MSR mnodels. In my opinion the country of origin doesn't really matter. What matters is the quality. And as far as I am concerned I would prefer Kovea or Primus (just for the simpler ones though) over MSR. If I wanterd something like the whisperlite I would rather go for the original coleman stove this one has been based on, which is a real tank. Concerning the kovea, what I really like about it is that it is one of the quietest ones out of the box and the way it folds is just smart. Comparing it to the whisperlite I found that the kovea was less bulky and would allow me to fit more stuff inside my cookset. But if anyone wants to offer me an msr I would be more than happy to review it^^
Does thu s stove come with the fuel bottle shown in the photos?
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Blkrose5150
This is what should come with the stove: Hydra Stove Fuel Bottle and storage sack Fuel canister inversion stand Aluminum ground protector/heat reflector Aluminum windscreen Maintenance tool Hard plastic stove case
BlackRose67
@BlackRose67 - Thanks for adding this! We usually have it all listed at the bottom of the drop page. I'll make sure it gets added today.
I'm very disappointed to see this item even for sale on mass drop. I would except MD to do some research before selling this kinda stuff. Unfortunately this is very poorly made offshore product with limited quality control. Buyer beware, buy something northamerica made MSR. With warranty. I made the mistake of buying a kovea and had to toss it in the trash it was unsafe. And this offer isn't even cheap ;(
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Hi Camshaft, First of all, I'm sorry to hear that you had such a bad experience with one of our stoves before and so have a bad impression of our company. Would like to know what stove you purchased and from where, as we do not sell to many retailers in the US. There are a lot of copy cats on the Ebay and Amazon market that sell Fake Kovea prodcuts, this is why we advise our customers not to purchase from an unauthorized dealer, especially on EBAY.
In terms of our quality we hold one of the strictest quality standards on the market and there are reasons why we still manufacture for many of the top Outdoor brands for over 15 years. Its quite safe to say that they brands can go to China or any other supplier to manufacture their products for a much cheaper price, but would they want to ruin the image of their brand to save a couple of dollars or be assured that the quality of those products are in line with what their company stands for. In terms of QC controls, our products go through the most stringent controls worldwide. As a OEM manufacturer for numerous companies, we need to make sure to pass all the Gas certifications for every country that it is sold in. I can assure you that its because of our QC that we are always being sought after by many companies to make their products for them. Kovea could possibly manufacture all the stoves for all the brands had our price point been lower, but it isn't, why? Because we have so many checks and balances in place to ensure its quality and that increases the cost of the final product. Some companies cant afford that cost or don't feel like their brand needs that kind of quality control because it doesn't fit their price point.
We are always trying our best to improve our customer service efforts internationally. Currently we distribute to 39 different countries worldwide and since they have their own language, we rely heavily on our distributors to handle the customer service and issues locally in their region. We are in the process of doing updating our website to include valuable information for our customers when it comes to the products they purchase and use along with warranty information. As we have only really been selling Kovea products in the US the past 2 years, its still a bit behind.
I frequent retail and third party sites just to make sure that I can help increase the brands awareness and also see what negatives there may be to correct them and help bring peace of mind to our customers of their purchases.
In terms of non biased reviews, I would even suggest going on Gearinstitute.com and checking out their reviews of all the stoves that you carry and see how it compared to the Kovea stoves. This may help alleviate some concerns you may have of our products. http://www.gearinstitute.com/hiking/stoves
Another useful site that was made by our one of our distributors in the UK, is mercatorgear.com. http://mercatorgear.com/index.php/frequently-asked-questions
He has been able to put up very useful information about Kovea and its products and may be the kind of information you are looking for. We are in the process of incorporating some of this into our new website which should be out before Jan 2017.
As you are very concerned with the customer service of the product, you can personally call me as we have set up a Kovea USA office in Salt Lake City. We are still very small and really considered a start up here in the US, so its a 1 man operation that does everything, but call me or email me anytime. You don't even have to call an 800 number, here is my personal cell phone number to your disposal or anyone who owns a Kovea product, anytime.
John Park 213-590-8207 john@kovea.com
Hope this may alleviate any concerns of Kovea's customer service you may have. If you need any information on how to use the stove or any other questions, feel free to give me a call. Thank you
Also anyone on the site who has any concerns with Kovea in the US, feel free to email me or call me anytime.
(I am in Korea until Oct 17th, so if you receive my voice mail, please leave a message and I will get back to you asap)
ODJP
Now that is some good customer service. Thanks for the great information in your answer. Great to see such a personal response on behalf of the company. I personally will be looking into kovea stoves next time I'm in the market.