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Mufti
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Buying anything 4k in 60hz is a waste when DisplayPort 1.4 is around the corner.
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PandaSPUR
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MuftiNot if you have no desire to go above 60hz :O
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Mufti
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PandaSPUROK, I guess enjoy your lower quality experience, eye strain, gimped GPU usage, and pay the same...
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viatorci
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MuftiFor some, color accuracy is far more important than anything else. There are just as many people working on their computers, if not more than, as playing on them.
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PandaSPUR
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MuftiNone of what you wrote is factual. Good job.
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Mufti
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PandaSPURYou have every right to believe whatever you want regardless how incorrect you are, or how badly you spend your money. Have a great day man. You sound like someone trying to validate a bad purchase.
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Mufti
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viatorciColor accuracy issues are not directly related to frequency. Manufacturers take shortcuts in some gaming oriented monitors to enhance response that effects color, but it isn't a widespread thing. You can buy color accurate 120hz displays. What's becoming clear is that the public knows nothing about monitors.
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PandaSPUR
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MuftiI'm just trying to help people looking at this drop not make a decision based on wrong info.
1. Lower quality experience? Completely subjective. 2. Eye strain: LCD screens dont actually flicker like old CRTs did. Refresh rate has no effect on eyestrain. 3. Gimped GPU usage: so you turn on v-sync and limit your GPU to 60FPS. How is that "gimping" your GPU at all? If your GPU can hit above 60FPS, then you're just saving it from doing more work. And this is 4k resolution, good luck pushing a full 120-144FPS out of your GPU on max settings. 4. Pay the same: Ok this is not factual for obvious reasons. 1440p 144Hz IPS screens cost around 500-600 already, 4k will cost much more if/when they ever come out.
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Mufti
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PandaSPURPlease stop spreading misinformation. Higher physical refresh isn't subjective, it's directly measurable. Higher refresh directly correlates with reduced eye-strain, feel free to Google. You pay for a GPU than outputs 120+fps, and attach it to a display that can only show half. That's paying more for both the monitor and the GPU for reduced inherent performance. Vsync exists at 120hz, negating your entire argument. This monitor will be obsolete in 2-3 months. As stated by my original post, DisplayPort 1.4 was published in March. This monitors price will crash, and a better model supporting the features of modern GPUs will arrive shortly. This is kin to paying new price for last year's model car because you think the paint is better, and you want it now. I don't care what you do, but don't lie to people here to sound big on the internet. Waste your own money, believe your lies on your own time.
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PandaSPUR
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MuftiEye Strain: I did google, did you? one of the top results: http://blog.gnu-designs.com/the-myth-about-monitor-refresh-rates-and-fatigue/
Again, refresh rate and eye strain correlation only exists when speaking of CRT monitors.
GPU Performance: 1. By limiting your GPU to 60FPS instead of 120FPS, you aren't reducing performance... You're putting a lighter load on the GPU which means it can operate at lower temperatures. 2. I'm planning to get the GTX 1080 next month. I dont think that thing can even push 120FPS with max settings at 4k.
120Hz "around the corner": 1. Any announced 4k IPS monitors that support 120Hz? 2. It took a while for even 1080p and 1440p IPS monitors with 120/144Hz support to be announced. Most "twitch" gamers just use TN panels since the pixels in a TN panel are capable of a higher response time compared to IPS panels.
Again it boils down to: does the person buying want 120Hz? My car has 200HP and I'm happy with it, I can get a different car at the same price point with 300-350HP easily, but I don't need that and I like my car as a whole more. Nothing is ever dependent on a single spec.
Not sure why you're talking about "sounding big".
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PandaSPUR
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MuftiColor accuracy issues are based on panel type. Most gaming oriented monitors use TN panels, not IPS panels. TN panels have faster pixel response time but suffer from color accuracy issues and a narrower viewing angle.
Yes, color accurate 120/144hz displays exist, those are ones with IPS panels or similar higher quality panels (i.e. PVA from Samsung).
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viatorci
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MuftiI'm a film/tv colorist. I use monitors that cost $7500+ every day and I occasionally use monitors that run $40K+. I know monitors and there's "color accurate" that the gaming community uses and then there's color accurate the pro world uses (and then we have color critical above that like the displays I use).
As far as I'm aware there's no monitor available with full DCI-P3 gamut that has gaming features. If there is, please point it out because I'd love to use it at home. This feature may not matter for competitive gaming, but if you do creative work and can't afford a real pro display, this LG is a great value (provided you calibrate with a decent probe every month or so).
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viatorci
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PandaSPURJust because it's IPS doesn't mean it's color accurate. Gamut coverage is important as is how well it calibrates and holds calibration. There's a whole world beyond "it's ips and colors look good if you use this generic setting I found online" that the gaming community (of which I also consider myself a member of) doesn't know about.
This is a display for graphic professionals who don't care about 144Hz.
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Mufti
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PandaSPURThanks for posting an article from 2009 with no citations to any real data written by a random IT guy. You know, before 120hz panels were even available. Also thank you agreeing that color accuracy is fine on 120hz panels. Negating two of the arguments. The others you're just arguing symantics to sound right. Grow up, update your information. It's not 2009 anymore. You're hurting people by providing false argument that will make people waste money, so you win an imaginary internet battle. I posted facts to save people the expense. I've responded kindly to everything, but you're on a whitch hunt. I really hope you're able to get over yourself, and I'm really sorry if you wasted nearly a grand on an obsolete monitor.
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Mufti
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viatorciYou're arguing points not being argued by referencing products not being discussed. This monitor by definition isn't for professionals, as you cited real monitors for professionals. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here. Spend your grand on this great monitor, fine. That doesn't change the fact that it's features, will be obsolete soon. DisplayPort 1.4 also supports HDR. Which is important for your industry too, if you're not just blatantly lying on the internet like everyone else around here.
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PandaSPUR
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MuftiYou have yet to post any kind of actual information. Stop wasting everyone's time and preaching your opinion as fact.
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PandaSPUR
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viatorciAgreed. I should have said "more" accurate. Having an IPS panel doesnt mean having 100% accuracy or perfect coverage for all color standards, but it does usually mean "better" color than a typical gaming TN panel.
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Mufti
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PandaSPUR[moderated] I'm not preaching anything, and your entire manipulation attempt here to villianize me doesn't do anything. I'm not responsible for training idiots on the internet how monitors works, or that it's no longer 2009. I made a statement to save people from a non-optimal purchase close to a nice feature upgrade of said components. [moderated] Absolutely nothing I've typed about the monitor is an opinion. Educate yourself or don't. [moderated] This concept is simple, and applies to literally any purchase on the fucking planet. [moderated] New things soon, price drop soon. Ooga booga.
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PandaSPUR
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MuftiPersonal attacks: a clear sign of the frustrated and desperate.
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PandaSPUR
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You really need to take your own advice.
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viatorci
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MuftiThere isn't a single true HDR display available outside of lab projects from Dolby. While quantum dot marketing pretends to be rec2020 compliant (but missing by miles) everyone is getting confused by "HDR" marketing crap from Amazon and Samsung that are functionally meaningless when discussing standards. I use a flanders scientific cm250 day to day and occasionally get to jump on a Dolby PRM 4200. You can look up my name on my profile and google it if you want to confirm that this is what I do.
All I'm pointing out is that you're complaining about gaming features on a monitor that's designed for photographers and graphic designers - and it is a pro display for them. In fact it uses the same panel as a $3000+ Eizo. Saying this display port doesn't support more than 60 frames is like complaining a dump truck sucks on a race track - of course it does but it's for doing work consistently and not for enthusiasts like an acer x34 is designed for.
I recommend this display all the time for young colorists because you can't beat the color accuracy for the price and in some fields that's more important than anything else.
Edit: sorry for typos, currently on mobile
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Mufti
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viatorciNo one complained about gaming features. You're inventing arguments for the second time now. I'm directly referring to the price of the monitor which will drop shortly due to the model going obsolete with the release of new hardware specifications and adherances. Again, it's kin to buying last year's model car two months before the release of a new model. It doesn't matter if the old model "will do". Shortly, you can have the same item cheaper, or a new item with extra features for similar cost. I'm not responding anymore, this entire thread had gone to pot because of imagined disputes and accusations. Have a great day.
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bendrexl
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PandaSPURPandaSPUR speaks the truth. (I'm a full-time professional designer and occasional gamer, currently running Dell U3011 and this is one of the few affordable displays I'd consider to be an upgrade)
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