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Detex
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Apr 21, 2017
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This is pretty much the "Massdrop Brass AAA Pocket Flashlight" all over again, why is it almost twice the price?!?!
Can we bring back the brass one? It is f*cking great!!!!
Apr 21, 2017
flyinglotus1983
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Apr 22, 2017
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Detexyep, this thing looks identical and might very well be made in the same factory. Not a bad thing by any means, the brass version rocks. Most of my EDC is titanium so I'm tempted to join this drop and sell / trade the brass version. Assuming they're the same, it's more a game of 'choose your favorite metal'.
Apr 22, 2017
BF_Hammer
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Apr 22, 2017
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DetexNot exactly the same. Made of lighter weight titanium that does not patina or scratch as easy. Major difference in the way it cycles the light levels. Starts on medium then cycles through low to high. I much prefer this light for those reasons, especially the M-L-H cycles.
Apr 22, 2017
Detex
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Apr 22, 2017
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BF_HammerI get that but at twice the price? I far prefer brass for the patina, I guess I just don't understand what makes it twice the cost. Ti is nice, but you can find these cheap all over, the brass was really badass. I guess it's just me.
Apr 22, 2017
Chewbacca
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Apr 22, 2017
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DetexThe same properties that makes titanium harder to scratch also makes it harder to machine. That's why it costs more.
Apr 22, 2017
Detex
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Apr 22, 2017
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ChewbaccaI would agree with that argument if there weren't a ton of ti products at all ends of the pricing spectrum. There are more than a couple with a Cree bulb for under $40 on Amazon...
Apr 22, 2017
MKLight
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Apr 24, 2017
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BF_HammerThis is M-H-L?
Apr 24, 2017
Evshrug
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Apr 25, 2017
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flyinglotus1983Brought my brass to work, one day came home without it after coworkers came in my personal space and grabbed stuff from my pockets without asking all day. Flashlight was either jostled loose or stolen, very sad.
if you did decide to let your brass go, feel free to message me
Apr 25, 2017
Varholiaglimp
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Jun 20, 2017
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DetexHow does a $36.99 light cost twice as much as $29.99? With shipping, the Ti version works out to about $10.00 more than the Brass version with free shipping. If you don't factor in shipping, the difference for the Ti drops to $6.99.
A $10 difference (or more) is standard for ti versions of just about any flashlight. Even the copper Lumintop Tool was $5.00 more than the brass version on MD.
Most people like titanium because it doesn't tarnish and because it's the lightest option. I prefer it because I have skin allergies and titanium is the only metal I can wear or handle constantly that doesn't give me a rash.
Even my engagement ring is titanium. If my fiancee had bought anything else, I couldn't have worn it.
Jun 20, 2017
Detex
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Jun 20, 2017
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VarholiaglimpOriginal drop was more expensive. You are looking at old posts.
Jun 20, 2017
Varholiaglimp
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Jun 20, 2017
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Detex1. Old posts can convey misinformation to casual readers. 2. The reasons for and relativity of the cost of titanium still needs to be pointed out. Possible purposes for buying it are no more trivial than the differences in cost are exceptional. That goes for virtually any flashlight we could be discussing (except when vultures manipulate product scarcity).
Jun 20, 2017
Detex
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Varholiaglimp "1) Old posts can convey misinformation to casual readers. "
They sure can, that's why the side of the post tells you how old it is. The poster should not be expected to amend their comments based on future drop situations. It is on the reader to see they are old posts and act accordingly.
As for #2, nobody was arguing that point, please revert back to answer for #1.
Not trying to be combative, it just seem you have misread the above posts.
Jun 20, 2017
Varholiaglimp
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Detex1. Not every reader checks to see how old a post might be, esp. readers who haven't been here since 2014, as I have. I do, however, think it's important to answer posts that (a) suggest untruths about pricing to the casual reader at any point in time and (b) advocate against a particular kind of product that is important to other people -- in my case, for medical reasons.
2. "Nobody was arguing that point" is actually incorrect. At least two posters went out of their way to say that other kinds of metal were better and cheaper than titanium. (My impression is that Massdrop watches for members' consensus on and purchases of certain kinds of products. )
I don't want to fight with you either, but your assumption that I'm reading things into someone else's post seems to be based on things you're reading into my posts, which creates a problem for me because it overlooks and therefore trivializes what I'm saying and why.
Jun 20, 2017
Varholiaglimp
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1. "Dude, seriously?" I've explained twice now that I responded for the sake of the casual reader, not because I failed to notice the date myself. I think you're underestimating the possibility that a person who's skimming a given thread might not pay attention to dates. If you think they always check, then I wonder how often you've watched what happens on forums like Head-fi (where the date is far more prominent). People who are new might easily miss any date, let alone in a tiny gray font even if it's on the top right of every post.
People on forums frequently play the telephone game by accident. Someone says something valid, then someone either misreads or forgets part of what was said and repeats something incorrect to someone else, who takes it as some sort of rule and presents it that way in an even more reductive paraphrase.
2. Your actual words were "nobody was arguing that point." If you'd said that you were not intending to argue that point, then I'd assume I was incorrect because I wouldn't presume to divine your unstated intentions. However, you said that nobody was arguing that point, when in fact someone else on the thread did. Also, you said this in a different post on the same thread: "I guess I just don't understand what makes it twice the cost. Ti is nice, but you can find these cheap all over, the brass was really badass." Luckily for you, the brass Lumintop is a Massdrop staple and has been available in successive drops for nearly a month. Not so with titanium flashlights -- particularly the Maratac, which I've been waiting to see return here.
It's not a question of "making things personal." Again, you're reading meanings and emotions into my post when you say that I shouldn't get "all upset." It isn't a question of losing it over your well-intended post. It's a question of asking you not to invalidate my point en route to explaining what you meant.
But I definitely don't mean to give you the impression that I think you did anything egregious in your original post. I want to see more titanium on Massdrop and I don't want people to think that the cost makes titanium impractical. That's all I'm trying to communicate -- to other readers more than you, since your preference seems to be for brass.
I think that part of the miscommunication happened because I addressed you in the process of attempting to speak to other people. I definitely could have made my intention clearer.
Jun 20, 2017
Detex
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Jun 20, 2017
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VarholiaglimpOk, to be fair I got bored and stopped reading past the third sentence so I will only be replying up to that.
How do you expect "the casual reader" to remedy your problem? Maybe Massdrop should open new comments for each drop and delete all the old ones. (Terrible idea IMO) Or, better, maybe they should expect that people spending their hard earned money on products are smarter than you are making them out to be and actually pay attention to reviews and comments made about said products. Honestly, I think people are far smarter than you make them out to be given you are the first I have ever seen (in the four years I have been on here) that has even brought this topic up.
Heck, feel good, you gave me a good laugh today. I am really beginning to think I have been trolled, if so, nice work.
Jun 20, 2017
Varholiaglimp
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DetexIf you can't read past my third sentence, then you have no idea what you're replying to, which means it's pointless for me to explain the difference between the casual reader "remedying [my] problem" and my clarifying what's currently true.
Suggesting that I'm maligning readers' intelligence by observing they might be distracted or inattentive is ad hominem.
First, you just proved my point with your "I stopped reading but am going to respond anyway" comment. That's how miscommunication happens.
Second, do you always glean the context of every post you read? Everyone I know gets distracted from time to time. That's not a comment on their intelligence.
Also, you're building straw men by attributing your own questions and theories to me and then attempting to tear them down.
Have a look at this thread again someday and maybe read the entire post before your last. I doubt you'll find any insulting or combative statements next time around.
This post is slightly uncharitable, but the previous posts were not.
Jun 20, 2017
Detex
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Jun 20, 2017
Varholiaglimp
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DetexI'm interested in this titanium flashlight, which is why I'm here. Why are you here again?
Jun 20, 2017
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