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zc3721
10
Dec 24, 2016
Please just do ur own research online. I didn't see A4 sell off-online. Online, in China, I only see it's selling on Taobao, only 1 store. It shows 149 purchase, 8 feed-back. DN2000, not include Taobao, on Jingdong (B2C in China), over 200 Feed-back (not purchase) (maybe simple way 200/8*149? and then *2?) DN2000j, not include Taobao, on Jingdong, over 200 feed back DN2002, not include Taobao, on Jingdong, over 100 feed-back
Amazon in us, 1 purchase for A4 Ebay, 5 purchase Maybe more on Aliexpress, please go to check. I don't know Massdrop sold A4 before or not, plz let me know.
So you tell me you own a pair of DN2000 or DN2000j, I believe you. But u tell me you both own A4 and DN2000 or DN2000j, it's just hard to believe.
So maybe Chinese customers are not smart enough to see A4 is better, and most of them not chose A4, but my point is, you can see here is a risk right? . And how big gap will between the sound quality of DN2000j and A4? I just don't think so.
Is A4 good, I think it is, at least what I heared. Is A4 better than DN2000j? As I know most people will not agree. As a hand -made IEM, A4 is not alone in China, those hand-made IEM are good stuffs, but they are not "Mass production products". I just hope when some bad thing happen, people will not keep blaming Chinese products with poor quality.
Hope these words will help u
Triplew
16
Dec 25, 2016
zc3721May Be you need to take into consideration of the date these products released
koblongata
17
Dec 25, 2016
zc3721From what I read A4 got more positive feedback though, many users calling it a flagship killer, while DN2002 is getting not bad reviews but isn't something special at its price range.
I get your point that: if both are at same price then the mass produced one must be "better", because the reduced manufacturing cost allows better materials and components to be used.
so... it must be the design of A4 made it special for many users.
zc3721
10
Dec 25, 2016
koblongataSo, the feedback from taobao? I didn't get it, there is like less than 10 feedback in English for A4 I can find, of course I hope to see more feedbacks about A4. But even in China there just only around 150 people may own the iem. (In taobao seller usually use fake purchase to improve their store credit)
koblongata
17
Dec 25, 2016
zc3721Um, if you google it, you can find reviews from Head-Fi , Japan AliExpress and Amazon...
zc3721
10
Dec 25, 2016
koblongataADs are very easy to be figured out, Amazon only 1 feedback
koblongata
17
Dec 25, 2016
zc3721But the 4 reviews on Head-Fi seem like from quite legit users, and the discussion thread seem legit too, unless LZ have been plotting it since few years back or have paid the users to say good things, which seem highly unlikely. I just don't get it, what do you have against them???
zc3721
10
Dec 25, 2016
koblongataOk, 4 feedback, I thought you may say something like "Randomized double blind placebo control studies". I think why not we just wait for more feedbacks? Maybe Massdrop will offer us more samples this time.
koblongata
17
Dec 25, 2016
zc3721troll detected.
zc3721
10
Dec 25, 2016
koblongatau sounds like ur new president
Kauljp
22
Dec 26, 2016
zc3721There are specific threads on headfi.org for the Chinese iems. these threads are meant to help out the average pperson to become familiar with the characteristics of cert iem. The discussion and reviews provided are done by very knowledgeable users, some of whom have been in the audiophile community for decades. They know what they are talking about and their opinions are very accurate on audio gear. I do realize that every person hears music in a unique way and what may sound good to one person may not get the same reaction from another. Even with that in mind, some gear is better than others and people wpho review them for years can help others get a very accurate idea of the sound signature of the headphone/iems. In this thread lots of Chinese items are discussed for their quality build and sound wise and the Lz A4 is also discussed here. The Lz A4 has scored very high across all categories by the reviewers on headfi. Most people have considered them to be higher rated than many other higher priced iems. These are being called "end game" iems for many people, especially at below $200. You can read about it here and further read some dedicated reviews on LZ A4 on the website to get more information about their sound character and build quality.
the thread: http://www.head-fi.org/t/820747/chinese-asian-brand-info-thread-portable-headphones-and-iems/4500#post_13117245
For reviews use the search engine. Thanks
zc3721
10
Dec 26, 2016
KauljpI think will not go deep on this, just mentioned people should think before purchase. I'm only a customer and want to keep away from troubles. I didn't know there is a kind of group people control this kind of things here. So it's no need to bring a bunch of enthusiasts from any forum to here any more.
Kauljp
22
Dec 26, 2016
zc3721The reason for including the headfi information on here was to provide information to people about the product being sold here. This is a new product and as such there isn't a lot of information and reviews on this product out there for people to read up on and help themselves make an informed decision. The reviewers on headfi have purchased or received the units and are therefore in a position to give information about them. I felt that including a source for peopl to read up on would be good thing for a new product.
zc3721
10
Dec 26, 2016
Kauljp received for free?
Kauljp
22
Dec 26, 2016
zc3721The audiophile companies like sennheiser, audeze, hifiman etc send their beta units out to well known reviewers to give them a chance to review their units and give feedback to the Company before they put them on sale.
koblongata
17
Dec 26, 2016
zc3721C'mon, it's always been how it works since the beginning of the industry, sometimes company do send their products to "credible reviewers" for review, but in the end it will need to be returned or they can of course buy it.
And Head-Fi members are mostly enthusiasts who actually own or owned certain products, and a lot of Massdrops include Head-Fi reviews and lots "enthusiasts" with knowledge of the drop would show up in here to help, If it is definitely a bad product, those enthusiasts would say too. I don't see how is this a bad thing?
bhazard451
120
Dec 26, 2016
zc3721A4 was just released less than a few weeks ago. The Dunu models you mentioned have been available for over a year now. It is not hard to understand that something 2 years old from a bigger company has more feedback than something that was just released.
Like I said, I love DUNU, but you seem to have a vendetta against the A4 without even owning them.
bhazard451
120
Dec 26, 2016
zc3721If you need proof I own the DN2000, check my Massdrop purchases, since I bought it from here. Can't provide any more visible proof than that.
koolpep
929
Dec 26, 2016
zc3721I was in the beta review team helping LZ with feedback. I received the LZ-A4 during its beta tour. But as with most beta releases I had to send it to the next reviewer. No free stuff. I own and purchased the LZ-A2, the LZ-A3 andthe LZ2As (their naming is a bit confusing at times. I really like the A2 and A3 and found the A4 a bit meh during the beta, I heard from friends who also were in the beta, that all the flaws I didn't like where fixed. I will probably join this drop. LZ has so far produced pretty solid performers that sound better than they should.
So given their history of really good iems I would even go so far and buy this one blind. i wonder how well it will compare with the FLC8S which is one of my favorites at the moment.
koolpep
929
Dec 26, 2016
zc3721I don't think it helps much. You are spreading FUD here without having any sources for bad experiences or bad sound quality for the A4. I agree that it is riskier to buy from a small company. But it can also be very rewarding.
Here is my experience with the LZ-A3: I was one of the first to purchase on AliExpress. the first batch had a cable that wasn't holding up well. So I was contacted by this company before I even received mine in the mail telling me that they will be either taking them back and I should refuse receipt or I receive them and get another upgraded cable for free a few days later. I chose the latter and received it just two days after the iems. The original cable I received still works by the way, so this amount of care and customer service - well I didn't expect it and was pleasantly surprised.
the one thing that one needs to answer is how they sound compared to the other brand you mention in every post. But since you don't have the A4 and you haven't heard the A3 or A2 before that.....You mention that LZ is a relatively young and small company woth less reviews so far. So what? What does that mean for the A4? They have a very good reputation if you talk to actual owners. So I guess it won't take long for them to become a larger company ;-)
I found the LZ-A3 very good value for money at $150 so these tunable A4 for $175 are a no-brainer. i just have to make up my mind if I want them quicker or if I wait for the massdrop shipping.....
koolpep
929
Dec 26, 2016
zc3721You can buy the LZ-A4 as well from penonaudio a very well reputed dealer. I found you have any issue with the LZ they will take care of you.
zc3721
10
Dec 26, 2016
koolpepSo u r a member of A4 prototype test group? Glad to see u have a good relationship with the seller. I just want to offer my own ideas to normal customers, so I think u and I don't need to keep going on this topic anymore. As I said, I think A4 is good, I just said there will be other better options than A4. I maybe wrong, but I will not earn any money from this anyway, I'm clean. I hope to keep this way. I want to keep away from Cyber ​​violences, and I don't mean to harm anyone's benefit. I just thought I was free to talk. So if you guys from any test group or product team, plz let's open another topic outside from this one, so my mailbox will not get your reply anymore.
Kauljp
22
Dec 27, 2016
zc3721No one thats replied to you is getting paid by anyone to recommend any products here at all. The reason you got so many replies is because you are telling people that these iems are not as good as some others regardless of the fact that you have never listened to them, seems a bit odd. You did hint that those that have replied to you seem to have an agenda for promoting the iem but judging by your attitude towards the iems it seems that you seem to have a negative agenda towards the unit. I feel like I should clarify that I am in no way being paid, or affiliated with the LZ company and I am replying to your comments because its irresponsible on your part to bad mouth a company whom you in your own words described as a "small company" who are trying to make good products and gajn recognition among consumers. This is increasingly odd because as you seem to have a negative review of them even though as you mentioned yourself that you have never tried any of their products. I would hope that you would refrain from this in the future and also not resort to playing the victim and calling others as paid members belonging to some sort of a audio cult lol when they call you out on your actions. I respect everyones views but I feel that we should not try to influence others opinions until we have actual proof or experience with products. Thanks
zc3721
10
Dec 27, 2016
KauljpDid I said you got payed? I don't think so. So why you nervous about that? And plz don't feel angry, I understand maybe someone was flattered so well by companys or some special groups, so when some kind of crisis happen, they have to stand out. Hope you can recheck my topic, I also think A4 is good, and I think I have right to question the quality, and I also have right to speak it out.
koolpep
929
Dec 27, 2016
zc3721I dont understand you. I have never received anything free from LZ, not even a discount. I have ordered via Ali express and had great customer service. That's all. You are telling people here that there are "better" options without having heard these headphones. As mentioned before this doesn't help.
koolpep
929
Dec 27, 2016
zc3721You can do whatever you like. But I also have the right to tell you that talking about something you have not owned or even spend some time with, has not much credibility.
zc3721
10
Dec 27, 2016
koolpepLOL you said aliexpress customer service is good, they used 3 weeks to register my boa credit card, but they told me just need 3 days to do that. That caused my discount expried. Just happened this 11/11, and I purchased their coupon, so I have record for that. The things u said seemed totally opposite of mine. It's hard to trust anything you said now.
Kauljp
22
Dec 27, 2016
zc3721 You did not say that I or anyone else got paid directly but you did ask me if the iems were received for free. Please note your statements earlier in the discussion. zc3721 "received for free?" I would appreciate it if you could point to the instance in my statement during which you felt that I was nervous about this, that would be enlightening to me. I am not angry, I would have to agree that I am a little disappointed that you would speak about a company's products but have no substance on what they are actually like as you yourself said, that you had not tried them. You once again mentioned people belonging to groups affiliated to companies, I would like you to revisit my previous statement wherein I urged you to not consider yourself a victim and henceforth accuse people of organizing committees or unions for the sole purpose of standing up to you; believe me, people have nor the time or the inclination for such things. I do believe that you are feeling the sincere sentiments of people pointing out the flaws in your statements as they are far removed from any substance which is once again not helped by the reality that you have not tried on the product at all. People are only pointing out that "you dont own these iems and are downvoting them based on nothing but your own beliefs, that is blatantly wrong on many levels". One should base their opinions on facts and experiences and not mere thoughts. Please do not discriminate against a seller or other users on this discussion for bringing light to facts and please dont try to play a victim when people are just pointing out the inaccuracies in your statements. The reality is that people here are giving reviews on the iem based on their actual use but you are giving opinions on something based on thoughts, that's improper use of one's thoughts and our time. Thanks
Kauljp
22
Dec 27, 2016
koolpepI agree with zc3721 but I would encourage zc3721 to pay heed to his/her own advise here as koolpep actually owns the LZ A4 and is therefore in a position to give his opinions on them as opposed to others who dont.
koolpep
929
Dec 27, 2016
zc3721You had a regrettable bad experience. I only had good experiences so far. Nothing more I can say. You don't trust me because I had no problems (like million of other customers) ?? Really? What kind of logic is that. You only trust people with bad experiences?
koblongata
17
Dec 27, 2016
zc3721Dude, you should use your smarts elsewhere, it's quite simple and honest here.
RedJohn456
18
Dec 27, 2016
zc3721What the hell are you rambling on about? Plenty of people on head-fi with both DN200J and A4 are reporting the A4 to be better sounding... You are just sprouting bullshit at this point. The A4 was released recently so take that into consideration as well., with feedback amount. And several AE stores are selling it so the purchases will be spread out.
Nice trolling though.
TheTaggerung
138
Dec 28, 2016
RedJohn456Looks like zc3721 have joined with audio123 and yangian to give their opinions on gear they haven't heard before.
zc3721
10
Dec 29, 2016
TheTaggerungI just can't continue this topic when someone used the bad language, I felt bad when I saw that. I think maybe LZ A4 is much more important for him than me. It's Christmas, I hope everyone can be peace and safe. "God bless America"~~
ayao
22
Dec 30, 2016
zc3721Welcome to the drop, hopefully we'll both like the LZ-A4!! Just remember that whether the sound is "better" or "worse" is up to personal opinion, and I'm saying this to everyone. I personally love the DN2000, but really disliked the DN2000J.
thx1137
27
Dec 30, 2016
zc3721In the audio world (especially in high end audio), it is rarely a purchase-and-forget scenario. Even when someone is happy with a headphone or IEM, they often end up buying and trying out many, many other ones. Sometimes you get the sound you enjoy, and sometimes you don't. Sometimes you find gems that are great value for the money, and other times you feel like you substantially overpaid. If you can't decide what to do, you can buy used (if available). That way, you will likely lose less money through it all.
Greg7575
8
Jan 19, 2017
koolpepthose haters. or other company's heater. lol
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