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CEE_TEE
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Oct 6, 2017
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Hitting the Balance Point… ­ Which one? As many as possible! Happy Path: My personal history is that I rediscovered headphone listening in 2009, organized local meets, became the Ultimate Ears Ambassador to Head-Fi.org for a time, and now I get to work with audiophile gear every day at Massdrop. Not-Very-Audiophile Confession: What led me to Head-fi.org was spotting a cool-looking pair of shiny headphones on someone at an airport in Japan and wanting to buy a pair. I never did find out what that exact pair of headphones was, but I did find a great new headphone. My next super audiophile move was to…buy some HiFiMAN RE-0 in-ear monitors. Loved them but yanked too hard on the cable and lost the left channel. Shopping around for a replacement, I decided to try for extra bass since some people thought the RE-0 were a bit “bass-light”. (Bass insecurity is a thing.) I proceeded to overdo it by buying the Sennheiser IE8 (clublife) and then vowed to go for a neutral monitor. Not too bright, not too bassy, can I find “just right”??? Everyone who knows me in the community knows that I am a big Ultimate Ears Reference Monitor (UERM) fan. I got one of the first pairs as soon as they released and still love them to this day. Many of us think that sound signature is one of the very best and if you had to choose just one headphone or IEM, that would easily be a top 5 pick. The UERM signature plus some sub-bass is fairly viewed as a vision for the “perfect” reference monitor. But would that be the “perfect listening monitor” for most people? Many of us UERM owners have the desire for a complimentary IEM. One that is a bit more lush in the low end in addition to extending lower. We started this project with the goal of making the perfect reference monitor. We started with a base tuning similar to the Etymotic ER4SR and Ultimate Ears Reference Monitor. Then we looked to add the sub-bass extension. And we really wanted to keep the price to $299.99 so it would be affordable to more people. After a year and a half of experimenting, we got to the point where we achieved elevated but flat bass from the upper bass to the sub-bass with a very clear, flat, and connected midrange (except for a nice little dip in the annoying sibilance region and an extra bump in the presence region to balance the bass). We’re all at the Rocky Mountain Audio Festival in Colorado right now, where Jude Mansilla from Head-fi.org has organized a big CanJam event. As soon as possible, we’ll get some graphs up on the page. The graphs will show elements of today’s best monitors in the Plus frequency response and the sound has been subjectively described as very musical, clear and fun, with no annoying peaks. It’s a lot of sound, but I can turn ‘em up and not get fatigued. There’s rumble while watching movies but super clear dialog. This balance of driver characteristics, price, performance, technicalities, flat response, fun sound, and frequency range extension made us freeze this design. If you HAD to only pick one in-ear monitor or headphone, we hope this would be in your top picks…at any price.
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Oct 6, 2017
Schwibbles
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Oct 6, 2017
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CEE_TEEWill you have review units to lend out to people? I would love to do a write up on them to share with Head-fi and Reddit. Some headphones/IEMs I've written about in the past are the JH Audio Lola, MrSpeakers Aeon Closed-Back, and Monoprice Monolith M300.
Oct 6, 2017
TPan
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Oct 6, 2017
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CEE_TEEYou keep knocking em down, really great to see you having a hand in cool stuff like this. Keep killing it!
Oct 6, 2017
kgaydon1973
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Oct 6, 2017
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TPanKilling it? you’re killing my bank accounts!
Oct 6, 2017
Rodmunch
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Oct 6, 2017
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CEE_TEEI don't have enough money for all these amazing products you guys keep bringing out!
Oct 6, 2017
Sythrix
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Oct 6, 2017
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CEE_TEEGoing to be at the RMAF tomorrow. Will there be any way to try these there?
Oct 6, 2017
keyboardman64
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Oct 6, 2017
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SchwibblesI already know 3 people that have them for review purposes. But never hurts to ask, as they say.
Oct 6, 2017
TheOmegaCarrot
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Oct 6, 2017
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CEE_TEEY’all sending out review units? I’d love to be able to review these.
Oct 6, 2017
CEE_TEE
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Oct 7, 2017
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SythrixYes, if you see me...stop me tomorrow and you can listen! Just got done for the day, a great show!
Oct 7, 2017
Sythrix
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Oct 8, 2017
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CEE_TEEI didn't see you today unfortunately. I'll try again tomorrow. One last question... is there going to be a significant lead time on these? Or will they start shipping soon after they drop?
Oct 8, 2017
khoi.fish
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Oct 9, 2017
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CEE_TEEAny possibility of a Lightning cable?
Oct 9, 2017
CEE_TEE
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Oct 9, 2017
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khoi.fishHi khoi.fish, I’ll look into this, please give me a little time. Thanks!
Oct 9, 2017
Stephen
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Oct 10, 2017
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CEE_TEEUSB-C would be interesting considering the Pixel 2 will be digital audio only for headphones.
Oct 10, 2017
m.i.k.a
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Oct 10, 2017
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CEE_TEEYes, please add Lightning cable!!
Oct 10, 2017
CEE_TEE
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Oct 10, 2017
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StephenThis is now on my radar too...thank you!
Oct 10, 2017
Kdog248
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Oct 10, 2017
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CEE_TEEHow about a cable with mic option if you're taking requests? I think the one that came with the PX is pretty good.
Oct 10, 2017
Stephen
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Oct 10, 2017
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CEE_TEEAwesome, and one more quick question... If you purchase the trrs cable, is that in addition to the original? Or do you only get one.
Oct 10, 2017
CEE_TEE
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Oct 10, 2017
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StephenIn addition to the included cable- you will get two cables total if you buy the optional cable..
Oct 10, 2017
Philimon
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Oct 10, 2017
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SchwibblesIn other words: you scratch my back i scratch your back.
Oct 10, 2017
Philimon
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Oct 10, 2017
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CEE_TEEHAHA. CEE_TEE politely saying eff off to the leeches.
Oct 10, 2017
CEE_TEE
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Oct 10, 2017
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TheOmegaCarrotI've got one more set that people have asked me to send off to @Crinacle on Head-Fi for measurements. Jude Mansilla will also be taking some measurements after they recover from organizing CanJam at RMAF. We'll add Jude's graphs and some review links to the page soon. I'll see if we can get any more units circulating. There are a couple more reviews on the way, one person was busy attending RMAF and another had his pair stuck in customs...
Oct 10, 2017
Philimon
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Oct 10, 2017
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CEE_TEEAbandon the HeadFi censor-ship. SBAF already has measurements.
Oct 10, 2017
A community member
Oct 11, 2017
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CEE_TEEAdd a lightning cable and take my money!
Oct 11, 2017
onlysoaa
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Oct 11, 2017
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CEE_TEEYou guys have basically come up with everything I've ever wanted in an IEM.
DF compensated? Check. Linear bass? Check. Flush fit with detachable over-ear cables? Check.
It's almost as if I designed this for myself. I've been wondering why such an IEM didn't exist already.
Thank you so much for investing the time and effort into making this happen. I'm sure they'll be a great set of IEMs for a very long time.
Oct 11, 2017
Deicide
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Oct 11, 2017
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Also, a Type C one as well! But there are aftermarket ones like the Capri from Null Audio which includes a built-in amp/dac.
Oct 11, 2017
tripog
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Oct 11, 2017
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CEE_TEESo these are very close to ER4XR in a more ergonomic, over ear style and 3armature instead of 1? Asking as someone who has er4xr and doesn't want to buy another similar iem at similar price point
Oct 11, 2017
tripog
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Oct 11, 2017
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WillThanks for quick response. Very tempting
Oct 11, 2017
Draeke
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Oct 12, 2017
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CEE_TEEI am really, really tempted to get these, but pardon my enquiries as i'm coming from a Shure universal IEM: might you be offering these with MMCX connectors? Also, how durable would these IEMs be - are they able to handle the occasional drop from table height... -ish? No, i won't be putting their durability to test under a sledgehammer... or worse LOL!
Oct 12, 2017
Yoloman
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Oct 12, 2017
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CEE_TEEDude we need to see FR first..
Oct 12, 2017
Yoloman
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Oct 12, 2017
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Willdamn that was fast
Oct 12, 2017
Will
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Oct 12, 2017
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YolomanAlmost as though I could copy my exact response from an earlier post in the thread :p
Oct 12, 2017
tinyman392
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Oct 12, 2017
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CEE_TEEDefinitely would love a lightning cable!
Oct 12, 2017
AdrianLam
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Oct 12, 2017
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CEE_TEEJust wondering does the cable come with any form of memory wire?
Oct 12, 2017
Stephen
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Oct 12, 2017
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CEE_TEENull audio has their Capri dac and cable. Do you know which headphones the connector is the same as?
Oct 12, 2017
CEE_TEE
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Oct 12, 2017
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AdrianLamHi Adrian, There is curved shrink-wrap to guide the cables over ear.
Oct 12, 2017
tinyman392
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Oct 12, 2017
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StephenI was't a fan of the AAW Capri DAC lightning cable I got from IndieGoGo... It has quite a bit of noise which is pretty audible if you listen at low volumes. Granted I only tested them with my HiFiMan RE1000. That feedback was quite annoying. At the same time, the Audeze Cipher cable also had a little noise as well, but not as much as the Capri.
The housing of this IEM (from the pictures) has the same notch that my HiFiMans do, so I'd assume that the cable should work, but don't quote me on that.
Oct 12, 2017
CEE_TEE
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Oct 12, 2017
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StephenHi Stephen, Null Audio cables should fit, I have some cable samples coming and should be able to confirm next Friday. (Next week.)
Oct 12, 2017
AdrianLam
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Oct 13, 2017
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CEE_TEEThank you for your reply, CEE_TEE.
One more issue with regard to warranty. I understand that there is a one-year warranty period. If very unfortunately my Plus runs into some issues, can it be repaired? Should I expect a somewhat higher labour/parts cost as these are mass produced?
Oct 13, 2017
CEE_TEE
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Oct 14, 2017
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AdrianLamLet me look into this for you...thanks!
Oct 14, 2017
CEE_TEE
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Oct 14, 2017
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AdrianLamYes, there will be a repair service...details being worked out!
Oct 14, 2017
AdrianLam
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Oct 14, 2017
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CEE_TEEVery glad to know. Please post some updates when they are available!
Oct 14, 2017
Lindbergh
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Oct 15, 2017
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CEE_TEEDo you also considering adding an Android compatible cable with controls/mic?
Oct 15, 2017
khoi.fish
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Oct 15, 2017
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CEE_TEEIt's an instant buy for me with a Lightning cable, since $80 to buy a Noble Lightning cable off Amazon is a little much for a $300 IEM.
Oct 15, 2017
khoi.fish
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Oct 17, 2017
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CEE_TEESomething similar to the $40 Noble Lightning cable offered with the Massdrop x Noble IEMs would be super ideal!!
Oct 17, 2017
yiannis550
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Oct 22, 2017
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CEE_TEEHello,
How do these compare to UE triplefi10? Does anybody know?
Oct 22, 2017
tinyman392
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Oct 22, 2017
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yiannis550Isn't the TF10 known for a very deep V-shaped signature? These would be the exact opposite. Lots more midrange.
Oct 22, 2017
onlysoaa
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Oct 22, 2017
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tinyman392I haven't heard the TF10 but according to Tyll's measurements, they're pretty much flat with a broad midbass boost and no DF compensation. The lack of a DF upper mid boost could make them sound V-shaped in comparison.
http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/UETF10.pdf
Oct 22, 2017
tinyman392
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Oct 22, 2017
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onlysoaaThere is a distinct drop in frequency response starting at 1k that rebounds around 8-9k.
Oct 22, 2017
onlysoaa
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Oct 22, 2017
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tinyman392Yes, that's the compensated measurement, which expects a boost in that range. My "mostly flat" comment refers to the raw measurements. Many popular IEMs are tuned this way, including the CA Andromeda. Not saying one is necessarily better than the other, as it mostly comes down to preference.
Fully agree that the Massdrop Plus will sound quite different from the TF10.
Oct 22, 2017
tinyman392
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Oct 22, 2017
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onlysoaaThere is a reason why the compensation is applied... Without compensation, the Massdrop IEMs will have a pretty large 5-10 dB spike in the 2k range... Same for many IEMs that have the neutral FR aim. I think Tyll wants to start using the OW-curve for compensating which expects a slight boost in the bass and sub-bass.
Oct 22, 2017
onlysoaa
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Oct 22, 2017
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tinyman392Yes of course, I guess I've just gotten used to looking at uncompensated measurements on sites like SBAF. I prefer those since everyone doing measurements applies a slightly different curve.
I don't think Tyll is going to use OW though. Didn't he make a big post about a new curve recently? There was some controversy over his choice to not compensate the bass region at all.
Oct 22, 2017
tinyman392
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Oct 22, 2017
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onlysoaaThat new curve was the OW curve though...
Oct 22, 2017
onlysoaa
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Oct 22, 2017
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Oct 22, 2017
tinyman392
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Oct 22, 2017
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onlysoaaI'm comparing the before and afters of the headphone measurements he gave. I'm only looking at compensated curves and comparing the compensated curves. I'm ignoring the raw measurements for the most part. To be perfectly honest, it would be easier to compare the two if they were plotted one on top of another.
The new compensation looks like it creates an increase in "perceived" upper midrange and treble regions. In other words, instead of adjusting the bass, he decided to adjust both the treble and midrange. The new compensation essentially requires that headphones don't need to produce as much midrange and treble to be considered "neutral". Think of it this way, if I wanted to EQ the bass, I have two choices, adjust he bass by itself or adjust both the treble and the midrange. I can EQ the bass up, but I can also get a similar outcome if I adjust both the midrange and treble down. He's decided to do the latter rather than the former.
Oct 22, 2017
yiannis550
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Oct 23, 2017
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tinyman392Ok good. I loved my TF10s but sometimes I feel like needing more body in middle and also some more punch on the low bass side but I dont like the boomy sound of Beats and other "premium" overpriced junk A year ago I tried Westone UM 30pro. It had what I was looking in bass and middle but was missing details in the high frequencies compared to my TF10s So do I think this massdrop plus is maybe what I am looking for.
Oct 23, 2017
yiannis550
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Oct 23, 2017
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CEE_TEECan we have a high quality cable with microphone and controls for android phones?
Oct 23, 2017
m.i.k.a
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Oct 26, 2017
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CEE_TEEAny update on the Lightning cable option? Thank you!
Oct 26, 2017
CEE_TEE
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Oct 27, 2017
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m.i.k.aWe don't have one at the moment...I'll be working on it though. ;)
Oct 27, 2017
khoi.fish
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Oct 30, 2017
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CEE_TEEWith the drop ending soon, I'm assuming that a future drop would have the Lightning cable?
Oct 30, 2017
m.i.k.a
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Oct 30, 2017
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CEE_TEEkhoi.fish And if the Lightning cable comes later: - will it be available a a separate (stand-along) purchase - or better to cancel the current order and wait for the next release with the LC?
Oct 30, 2017
COCustom
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Oct 30, 2017
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CEE_TEENow I'm REALLY sad I missed RMAF! These sound fantastic but it's so tough forking over $300 for something you haven't heard.
Oct 30, 2017
DanielFerrer
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Oct 31, 2017
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CEE_TEEReviews are awesome. I am in. My first reference IEM. My prior IEM has been only my Shure e4c.
Oct 31, 2017
zhouharvey
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Nov 1, 2017
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COCustomNot over $300 yet. Almost.
Nov 1, 2017
bilditup1
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Nov 2, 2017
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CEE_TEEDang, missed it. Was trying to be too clever. Hopefully there'll be another run.
Nov 2, 2017
AlwaysForward
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Nov 5, 2017
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CEE_TEENice! I'll be in on this if you end up coming out with a lightning cable that has great audio performance, a mic for calls and controls. I'm not into dongles for audio and I need to be able to make calls with any headphone I buy. These are at the top of my wish list if this all happens.
Nov 5, 2017
CEE_TEE
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Dec 14, 2017
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AlwaysForwardLooking into it. ;)
Dec 14, 2017
zhouharvey
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Dec 15, 2017
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CEE_TEEI'll be in on this if the drop is reopened by Christmas but I guess that won't happen. Hate the fact that I actually missed it. If it's good I could have had a rave about it, if it's bad I'll have a lot of rant material with hifi friends.
Dec 15, 2017
scottoo
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Feb 26, 2018
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CEE_TEEHi , Just curious what the THD graphs say about this product? It seems odd-ish, that the THD plot mimics the freq response curve? While the compared products seem to have lower distortion through the mids on up? Just wondering what affect this has on listening, and what helps to keep this lower? like shell material, or mountings, or? Thanks :)
Feb 26, 2018
zhouharvey
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Feb 27, 2018
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scottooTHD is good. THD says the quality of the drivers are reasonably good. Why does it seem odd, I see it all reasonable. Everything helps.
Feb 27, 2018
jaydunndiddit
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Mar 8, 2018
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CEE_TEEAre the foam sleeves Comply or a different brand? I'm wanting to source replacements when they start to break down.
Mar 8, 2018
CEE_TEE
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Mar 26, 2018
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jaydunndidditThe ones supplied are not from Comply but the Comply 400 series will fit the Plus.
Mar 26, 2018
zhouharvey
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Mar 26, 2018
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CEE_TEEComply 500s will too.
Mar 26, 2018
jaydunndiddit
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Mar 26, 2018
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CEE_TEEOK, thanks. I actually liked the density of the foam for these compared to others but Comply's will have to suffice moving forward it seems.
Mar 26, 2018
CEE_TEE
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Mar 26, 2018
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zhouharveyThanks, zhouharvey
Mar 26, 2018
Figueiredo
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May 15, 2018
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CEE_TEESo my Shure SE215 IEMs just died today and I've been waiting on this to redrop for a while now, but it's been listed as: "This item is in stock and will ship in 2–3 business days with standard shipping [...] The drop will launch and end each day to collect purchases." - for a while now and at this point a redrop seems unlikely or quite far away, timewise. I'd obviously prefer to hold out for a redrop, but going on without IEMs is a b****. Any news on a redrop or should I just cop some new beater Shure's?
May 15, 2018
CEE_TEE
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May 15, 2018
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FigueiredoOkay!  So new units arrived at the warehouse today...drop scheduled for Friday!
May 15, 2018
Figueiredo
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May 16, 2018
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CEE_TEESweet! Thanks for getting back to me so quickly.
May 16, 2018
Kdog248
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May 18, 2018
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CEE_TEEHey @CEE_TEE, I already got a pair of these on the first drop (awesome job), but can you share with us if you guys are currently developing anything else? Not asking specifics....
May 18, 2018
StrengthBeyondStrength
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Jun 1, 2018
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CEE_TEEI just joined the drop last night and the order is about to ship. The balanced cable was sold out and was a really good price. Will I be able to purchase that in the near future separately?
Jun 1, 2018
CEE_TEE
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Jun 21, 2018
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StrengthBeyondStrengthThere will be some options, yes!
Jun 21, 2018
mrab
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Jun 23, 2018
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CEE_TEEme too , i just joined the drop last night there will be notification right when the cable is available
Jun 23, 2018
Boyi
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Aug 15, 2018
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yiannis550and do you have a suggestion Know, is the Massdrop plus better then the Westone UM 30 PRO
Aug 15, 2018
zhouharvey
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Aug 27, 2018
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BoyiNo. They sound differently. Plus is more reference sounding.
Aug 27, 2018
desutruction
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Sep 27, 2018
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CEE_TEEIs it normal for the shells to crack easily? I recently discovered a crack near the nozzle area of the left earpiece extending to around 3/5 of the iem. I've had cheapo iems (KZ ZS3, for example) before and they never cracked like this, I definitely babied them way less than these too. I also heard a popping sound from the same earpiece when I ran it through a bass sweep, dunno if related. I've contacted customer support a few days ago. I hope there's something they can do for my case. I'm fine with the cable dying early (just got in on the Massdrop x Mee balanced cable drop) but I've never had an earpiece crack on me.
Sep 27, 2018
CEE_TEE
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Sep 27, 2018
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desutructionHi desutruction, You shouldn't experience that...someone will reach out for pics.
Sep 27, 2018
mwilder
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Nov 22, 2018
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CEE_TEEDo you have any advice for how to get one of these repaired? One of mine had an unfortunate run in with the pavement but just the casing is cracked and the port damaged (the drivers inside are all fine). Seeing as I can't exactly just buy a new one I really want to pay to have it repaired, so any suggestions you have on that would be quite helpful
Nov 22, 2018
CEE_TEE
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Jan 22, 2019
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mwilderHey mwilder, At this time, we don't have a way to repair broken shells. I'll have to check and see if this is possible in the future but we don't have a way to do this right now...sorry to hear about the issue!
Jan 22, 2019
MangoTree
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Feb 28, 2019
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CEE_TEEHow is this compared to UE900 or s? The price point is similar or UE900s is lower in some market.
Feb 28, 2019
desutruction
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Feb 28, 2019
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MangoTreeIt trumps the UE900s in pretty much every way. IMO UE900/s really hasn't been competitive for a pretty long time. I suppose if you can get it for like <$200 it's ok. It also had a fair amount of build quality issues. I have not directly compared the MD+ to UE900/S but I'd pick the MD+ over a lot of IEMs that I picked over UE900 before (think Westones, older hybrids like Dunu/Fidue). I also remember that the UEs had recessed upper mids, opposite of the MD+ so that might be good or bad depending on your preference.
Feb 28, 2019
je11y
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Nov 20, 2019
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CEE_TEEWill there be more of these made? These have been my favorite iems for almost two years, and the housing on the left side just cracked open like a damn egg :(
Nov 20, 2019
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