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Stone_MaN
107
Oct 1, 2017
one question only. will this sync with Nvidia cards just like G-snyc does? this will determine my consideration for purchase.
ChosenBC
0
Oct 1, 2017
Stone_MaNNo it is FreeSync which is AMD's proprietary version of G-Sync
kokin
106
Oct 2, 2017
Stone_MaNIt doesn't do variable refresh rate (VRR) aka G-Sync with Nvidia GPUs, only AMD GPUs. You can however still use Nvidia drivers to run Adaptive or Fast Sync in the "Manage 3D Settings" panel, but these are forms of V-Sync.
TkOut
1
Oct 2, 2017
ChosenBCIt's not really proprietary as it's just an industry standard being labeled as "FreeSync" so you know it's capabilities.
Stone_MaN
107
Oct 2, 2017
Stone_MaNi appreciate the replies folks :) . with this being the case massdrop have "dropped" the ball on this one. dollar to a doughnut says the vast majority of folks worried about refresh rate and sync are gamers that are using Nvidia GPU's not AMD. As some know monitors with GSYNC cost 200+ dollars more for the implementation. its all rather silly that monitors are locked to the green or the red team, as they do not make gpu's . again appreciate the replies. this clearly is not my monitor. . good day.
jloopy212
221
Oct 2, 2017
Stone_MaNYou're wrong on a lot of levels here.
The most egregious one being that monitors are "locked" to either NVidia or AMD. In fact, NVidia GPUs are actually locked out of the industry standard in FreeSync essentially because they want to upcharge people ~$200 on the monitors.
Yes, they can get away with it because they have a quasi-monopoly and many consumers are poorly informed. This monitor + a flagship Vega would still be less than a comparable GSync monitor - an incredible value for anyone.
Now you may be absolutely fine with a $200+ markup for an identical product, but that doesn't mean that everyone else should be forced to be.
Stone_MaN
107
Oct 2, 2017
jloopy212wrong on many levels? lmfao ok dude. you must be an AMD fanboi. to ramble on about egregious errors i made? lmfao . any monitor that has a "sync" with a gpu uses either freesync or gsync and each are designed to work with either nvidia or amd gpu's. and in reality they are locked to 1 of the 2 gpu makers. and to say that freesync is industry standard are nvidia are locked out ? BAH HAHA, wow, go to one of the nvidia forums if you wanna wave your amd fanboi flag, its not needed here.
i have reread what I have written 10 times both the first question and my thanking those that helped me and do not read words you have seen.
and yes I already said gsync is a 200+ dollar mark up on monitor price as its proprietary to nvidia , freesync is open source and therefore free, for your info there are some nvidia folks that contribute to freesync. freesync is not amd's baby they chose to use something FREE, and you can bet your HOUSE on the fact that if amd had made there own sync it would not be free to consumers.
what are the "many" other levels of being wrong pray tell? lol you can argue amd till your blue in the face, when you yourself said it. "the have a quasi-monopoly" and that is what I was referring to most gamers buying a gaming monitor buy nvidia gpu's . do show numbers to prove it wrong. .... oh wait you can't cause I'm not wrong. SIT DOWN.
jloopy212
221
Oct 2, 2017
Stone_MaNWow, a lot of inaccuracies; I guess I touched a nerve. Where to begin?
" any monitor that has a "sync" with a gpu uses either freesync or gsync and each are designed to work with either nvidia or amd gpu's. "
False. FreeSync can be used with any GPU as it is open and requires no additional hardware. In fact the laptop application of GSync is identical to FreeSync. NVidia has opted to disable FreeSync compatibility for the reasons outlined above.
" and in reality they are locked to 1 of the 2 gpu makers."
True for all practical purposes, but again, because of NVidia and uninformed customers not knowing any better.
" yes I already said gsync is a 200+ dollar mark up on monitor price as its proprietary to nvidia "
Mostly false. There is no extra cost other than the artificial price inflation from NVidia.
" freesync is open source and therefore free "
False. DisplayPort licenses are not free (obviously) and FreeSync requires a PSR adapter for the controller, which adds to the manufacturing and engineering cost.
" for your info there are some nvidia folks that contribute to freesync "
False and maybe you should lay off the NVidia Kool-Aid.
My point here is that you are lamenting the lack of options for monitors on one hand while throwing money at a company whose entire business model is built around ensuring there is a lack of options for monitors with the other. And not only that, you're arguing (incoherently) that anyone that isn't such a rube is in the wrong, which is just sort of hilarious.
I don't have a horse in the Team Red/Green race, but I can do math and a bit of research plus a dose of logic and come to the conclusion that this is a great deal for people that aren't religiously committed to one cult or another. You're interested in some numbers? Try ~$130k of preorders as of this comment - something like 10x more than the most popular GSync monitor on here.
67Eleanor
23
Oct 2, 2017
jloopy212lol very true
Crim91
48
Oct 3, 2017
jloopy212Thank you for schooling Mr. Bad English. Much obliged.
jloopy212Endorsement for the informative content. Bateman for making this the spiciest exchange in the Vast discussion (so far)
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fudd
12
Oct 10, 2017
jloopy212To be technically accurate I don't believe that Freesync is open. It is AMD's proprietary implementation of VESA adaptive-sync protocol over DP1.2a. The licensing fee's are stated to be free but are controlled by AMD because Freesync is their brand name. Freesync capable monitors require a different scalar chip from regular monitors. The long and short of it is that consumers are locked to using 1 vendors implementation of sync technology with their gpu/sync capable monitor purchase.
The additional cost would come partially from the Gsync module on desktop monitors which uses an FPGA and memory to do the low framerate compensation whereas the Freesync monitors only require the scalar asic. I personally believe the price difference is also due to market demand. Looking at comparable Freesync vs Gsync monitors from the same vendor on Amazon's stats skews towards Gsync monitors.
Most laptop implementation of sync technology no longer requires a module because the gpu is driving the display directly which is not possible for a desktop monitor. Then the laptop manufacturer & gpu vendor tweak the implementation to work.
I would say the real difference of the ~$200 is convenience. Gsync monitors are tested & tweaked to provide a similar experience regardless of monitor vendor. You can probably get a very similar experience with a Freesync monitor but would require more research as the Freesync monitors have varying levels of feature support & quality of implementation. There have been minor issues on forums on both sync technologies but what I would call major limitations from specific Freesync monitors. Some issues have been fixed for certain brands of monitors like ghosting & LFC but buying a random Freesync monitor is still more of a gamble in quality than a gsync monitor.
Ultimately, this monitor on paper seems like a great deal for the price regardless of gpu vendor. Anything beyond that would require detailed reviews from multiple sources.
jloopy212
221
Oct 10, 2017
fuddI was probably oversimplifying a bit and whether Freesync is actually "open" is an interesting discussion (I'd lean towards 'yes with caveats'), but I agree with most everything you are saying. Particularly your point about there being effectively two options to consumers at this point. My main point was lamenting the fact that NVidia has opted to preemptively lock their customers out of the VESA-based solution as it's a lose, lose, lose for everyone (other than NVidia obviously).
Not sold on the market demand being the sole driver on pricing. It's hard to envision a world in which consumers pay a 30-50% markup for the same product purely to buy into the ecosystem. In a world where NVidia isn't a monopoly, there's probably something like a $50-$100 premium for GSync, which is way less. Even Apple, which is kind of the ultimate in terms of leveraging network effects and closed ecosystems, can't get away with those kind of markups.
Good points on the benefits of a closed system - the experience for NVidia/GSync is going to be more uniform in general though I think AMD has closed the gap here, but NVidia is definitely (rightly in my opinion) benefiting from being a first mover and a good reputation on that front.
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