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Yunsik
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Feb 19, 2016
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I have HD700 and really enjoying it, do you guys recommend getting 7xx? I just like the look, but no experience with AKG...
Will
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Feb 19, 2016
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YunsikDramatically different sound. Where the HD700 is described by critics as harsh, sharp, overly analytical, etc, the K7XX would be considered warmer, more lush, richer bass at the cost of some detail.
Will
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Feb 19, 2016
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YunsikOr I've got both on my desk and it's easy to compare directly : )
If I was in your shoes, already owning an HD700, I'd sell that, add the cost of the K7XX, and kick in another hundred bucks or so to get yourself a used HD800. Or, if you can find one (and you can handle 500g sitting on your head) I'd recommend the HiFiMAN HE-500.
If I was in your shoes, already owning an HD700, I'd sell that, add the cost of the K7XX, and kick in another hundred bucks or so to get yourself a used HD800. Or, if you can find one (and you can handle 500g sitting on your head) I'd recommend the HiFiMAN HE-500.
marts_sum
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Feb 19, 2016
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WillI'd take the K7XX over the HD800 personally, was too bright/peaky for me.
TheGeeMan
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Feb 19, 2016
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YunsikYour lady signed you you up for this? She's a keeper. :)
Oktyabr
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Feb 20, 2016
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WillYup. I'd take the K7XX over anything I've heard from Senn so far, including the HD800 (in fact, I did). The HE-500 and other planars are a whole different basket... I know I liked the sound of the HE400 I lived with for a bit but I couldn't wear them for many hours at a time like I can the 7XX.
IMO? The K7XX is easily the best sounding, most comfortable headphone available today under $300 (including it's orange tinted twin, the K712), and you might find them preferable to many others at twice that price, as I did.
IMO? The K7XX is easily the best sounding, most comfortable headphone available today under $300 (including it's orange tinted twin, the K712), and you might find them preferable to many others at twice that price, as I did.
Terabass
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Feb 21, 2016
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OktyabrEven better than the recent DT990 Premium drop at ~$220?
patrck
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Feb 21, 2016
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Oktyabrbest sounding under $300 ? really ? There are many great headphones under $300 and I don't think even Massdrop dare to claim K7xx the best $300 headphones. I enjoy the wider sound stage on my plastic K7xx but $200 metal Philips X2 provides better bass, better dynamics and details in both high and low. Also K7xx needs much stronger amps. I don't regret purchasing k7xx but X2 just provides more at the same price. By the way, Germany made DT990 premium 32ohm was only $149 couple days ago.
marts_sum
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Feb 21, 2016
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patrckI own both and while the X2 are more fun, the K7XX are more towards neutral. 'Better bass', I'd say more bass, doesn't mean better, I think details also go to the K7XX due to being a little brighter. Both are excellent deals though.
Tigertoaster
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Feb 21, 2016
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patrckCompared to K7xx, the X2 delivers more dynamics an details? Hard to believe, considering my experience in using my X2 and my AKG 612pros (which are, soundwise, said to be between K712pro and K702).
If that´s the case, I should overthink dropping on the K7xx, because my X2 - in my personal opinion - own a slightly to warm tuning and the upper rolloff could be fairly higher - nowhere near my 612s reproduction of heights.
However X2´s build quality is second to none, but at a weights price - the AKGs offer notably more comfort in long term use ( I often forget they are on my head ;) ) due to their lightweight construction (235 vs. 390gr). Nethertheless, the X2 are superb cans and a big bang for the money.
Considering DT 990 - this never got near to my other cans - soundwise, for me, they are too harsh (Beyer peak) and too "bathtubby". Also qualitywise, the X2 mobs the floor with the DT Range (got a decent cut from a badly grinded metal part of the DT 990, and last year I owned a T90, which smoked away after 3 days (a crappy soldering caused a fatal short)). But in terms of spare parts and reasonably priced repairs, Beyer is superb (received original earpads for some over 30 year old DT 440s from the Beyer Shop). This could be the achilles heal of the X2 - I doubt that spare parts or repairs are provided by Philips - handing their headphone division over to Gibson certainly gives me a bad feeling about this... but for 200 $ that´s the tradeoff you have to make.
Will
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Feb 23, 2016
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YunsikYea I'm not a big fan of the HD700. It's a decent product but there's a lot of competition at that price point. The HD800 is a clear next level of detail over things like the K7XX, HD650, etc. I don't feel the same can be said about the HD700.
Oktyabr
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Mar 17, 2016
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patrckI said "best sounding, most comfortable"... "needs much stronger amps"? BS... If you are going to buy even a modest headphone amp, you will find it will run the K7xx, the X2/27, and the DT990 (250 ohm) just fine. I've ran my K7xx out of my phone, my PC motherboard, my Kindle, and even a cheap USB "sound card". It doesn't NEED anything.
Taste in sound is subjective. What you like may not be what someone else likes. For instance I wouldn't recommend the K7xx (or any open back can for that matter) for someone who brags about being a "bass head". Dollar for dollar, even if they were the same price (I've seen the X2 for $199 at times), I'd take the K7xx over the bassier and heavier (382g vs 235g) X2/27 any day. As for the DT990? I didn't like the sound (or comfort) of the DT990 or the DT880 near as well as the K7XX, and the lack of a replaceable cord ended that short lived shopping experiment for me. $149 would make them a pretty good deal but I'd take my $199 K7xx over them any day of the week.
Considering that the K7xx is "based on the K702 65th Annie" (STILL $499) and is virtually identical to the K712 Pro ($300+), I think my statement was fair, even if it was made with admitted personal bias. YMMV.
Taste in sound is subjective. What you like may not be what someone else likes. For instance I wouldn't recommend the K7xx (or any open back can for that matter) for someone who brags about being a "bass head". Dollar for dollar, even if they were the same price (I've seen the X2 for $199 at times), I'd take the K7xx over the bassier and heavier (382g vs 235g) X2/27 any day. As for the DT990? I didn't like the sound (or comfort) of the DT990 or the DT880 near as well as the K7XX, and the lack of a replaceable cord ended that short lived shopping experiment for me. $149 would make them a pretty good deal but I'd take my $199 K7xx over them any day of the week.
Considering that the K7xx is "based on the K702 65th Annie" (STILL $499) and is virtually identical to the K712 Pro ($300+), I think my statement was fair, even if it was made with admitted personal bias. YMMV.
patrck
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Mar 22, 2016
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OktyabrIt's internet. Surely you can label people's feedback as "BS" to sell your point about k7xx is the best sounding, most comfortable headphones under $300.
Regarding the amps, you said K7xx doesn't need anything but my experience is different.
"Amps" in my definition is not only limited to external amplifiers but also includes the amps in phones and portable media players. K7xx is just not efficient as X2.
My LG G3 can't drive K7xx as good as Samsung note 3/4 does while all three phones drive X2 pretty well. Through 24bits/96khz recording of my piano and guitar playing, the sound on X2 is more close to what I heard and felt (especially the decay and resonance) . When listening to music, I do enjoy my K7xx's wider sound stage as much as I enjoy X2 and DT 990's different sound signature .
I am fine if you don't agree with my experience. Everyone has different preference in sounds.
I just hope people are not buying an unreturnable $200 K7xx because someone saying K7xx is the best sounding , most comfortable headphones under $300.
Oktyabr
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Mar 22, 2016
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patrckMy first reply seemed to have vanished (?)
No consumer grade headphone on the market today *NEEDS* stand alone amplification, with the possible exception of a few very exotic (and expensive) planars. That the X2 will make you deaf slightly quicker than the K7xx at full volume on any of a myriad of typical amp selections (including most phones, tablets, PC sound chips, etc.) is a horrible argument for preferring one or the other. I run a desktop amp mostly for the benefit of a high quality analog volume knob at my finger tips, but I would do the same with *any* headphone, not because one "needed" it.
I've said "IMO" (In MY Opinion), I've said "YMMV" (Your Mileage May Vary, i.e. your opinion) and I even said "admitted personal bias", which means not only my opinion but my *biased* opinion... In my opinion I preferred the K7xx to the K712, the HD600, HD650, a brief session with the HD800, and the DT990, as well as several lower tier phones. I didn't get to try the X2/27 because they tend to be out of stock more often than not and the fact that they weigh nearly half as much again as the comparable AKG products caused me to lose interest.
Enjoy your headphones.
No consumer grade headphone on the market today *NEEDS* stand alone amplification, with the possible exception of a few very exotic (and expensive) planars. That the X2 will make you deaf slightly quicker than the K7xx at full volume on any of a myriad of typical amp selections (including most phones, tablets, PC sound chips, etc.) is a horrible argument for preferring one or the other. I run a desktop amp mostly for the benefit of a high quality analog volume knob at my finger tips, but I would do the same with *any* headphone, not because one "needed" it.
I've said "IMO" (In MY Opinion), I've said "YMMV" (Your Mileage May Vary, i.e. your opinion) and I even said "admitted personal bias", which means not only my opinion but my *biased* opinion... In my opinion I preferred the K7xx to the K712, the HD600, HD650, a brief session with the HD800, and the DT990, as well as several lower tier phones. I didn't get to try the X2/27 because they tend to be out of stock more often than not and the fact that they weigh nearly half as much again as the comparable AKG products caused me to lose interest.
Enjoy your headphones.
patrck
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Mar 31, 2016
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OktyabrNot sure how you got the ideas about " No consumer grade headphone on the market today *NEEDS* stand alone amplification.... " and "X2 will make you deaf slightly quicker than the K7xx ... " ( though you don't even own X2 ) Those claims are similar to your original claim about K7xx is the best sounding headphone.....under $300. I don't agree with those claims but really don't want to waste your and my time on debating those anymore.
For the new owners of k7xx. Here is my experience, my K7xx get great details, dynamics and headroom when driven by dedicated amps like Darkvoice 336, Grace m9xx and even cheap Bravo ocean. For my taste, K7xx matches Darkvoice best. The portable devices, LG G3, Note 3/4 , Axon Pro, Fiio X3 and even AK JR(AK JR is power enough to drive my planar Audeze LCD2 well ) make 7xx sound dull comparing to those standalone amps I have. So if people feel K7xx sound fine already on portable devices, please do get a dedicated amplifier to release K7xx's 100% strength.
For the new owners of k7xx. Here is my experience, my K7xx get great details, dynamics and headroom when driven by dedicated amps like Darkvoice 336, Grace m9xx and even cheap Bravo ocean. For my taste, K7xx matches Darkvoice best. The portable devices, LG G3, Note 3/4 , Axon Pro, Fiio X3 and even AK JR(AK JR is power enough to drive my planar Audeze LCD2 well ) make 7xx sound dull comparing to those standalone amps I have. So if people feel K7xx sound fine already on portable devices, please do get a dedicated amplifier to release K7xx's 100% strength.
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