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harrisonh
51
Apr 10, 2018
why do you use a Japanese name for a Chinese knife?
inifist
99
Apr 10, 2018
harrisonhbecause it's a hybrid japanese profile (design) :cryingemoji:
Fukuro
98
Apr 11, 2018
harrisonhSo by that logic what is a katana made in china called? (rhetorical)
Kavik
5531
Apr 11, 2018
harrisonhIs this really a serious question? Or a poorly shrouded xenophobic remark? Why do American knife makers sell Tantos?
The name is representative of a style, not a geographic location
Fukuro
98
Apr 12, 2018
Kavikits potential, when he refers to China chinese as communist chinese. Technically China has become a solely a communist government and has given to some degree of freedom in regards to economics (howelse would it survive). He should realise that People aren't as oblivious or ignorant or greedy as before (given this population size, there still is a decent amount), so no need don't hate on a country as it develops. They are getting there.
Pyrogenetix
34
Apr 13, 2018
harrisonhHäagen-Dazs is an American brand and Astell & Kern is Korean. It's part of a company's brand strategy. Anyway, it's just the manufacturer is Chinese. The design and quality control is still by Massdrop and Apogee.
harrisonh
51
Apr 17, 2018
KavikKavik. I am NOT talking about the STYLE!!!! The name of the knife is "Takumi"
And if it is a xenophobic comment, I'm xenophobic against myself. I'm half Chinese. This has to do with marketers trying to fool gullible people. Just like Kamikoto or Okami, Japanese names, MADE IN communis China, NOT in Japan. And believe me, I have made comments about them too. This is NOT against Apogee, even though their employees seem to be making it about them. At least two of the profiles are Apogee employees. Apogee employees in this thread are acting like pundits on the news (on BOTH sides) telling half-truths and changing subjects to confuse and to obfuscate. Why not call it a pretty Chinese name? How about four pillars of destiny or red roof temple? Why try to pretend it's Japanese?
For the same reason that several people here try to hide the fact they work for Apogee? There are plenty of pretty Chinese names! If you're not ashamed, why try to hide the fact? Why do you have other people from the same company, or the same guy wiith multiple profiles have to "like" you comments? It's weak when people do it on FB and it's probably dishonest IF you're pretending to be a potential customer to other potential customers!
And if you want to claim I'm xenophobic for calling out a misleading name, I think someone else is xenophobic for thinking all Asian are alike.
I personally own bout 10 apogee bamboo knife covers and I own several apogee dragons and several apogee/chef works "sky" knives. Prior to seeing their posts here, I was very impressed by the company. Now, less so because of hiding behind fake profiles
Fukuro
98
Apr 17, 2018
harrisonhIn regards to the naming its really based on the knife style for apogee as it seems. I mean why doesn't the dragon knives made in seki have a japanese name?
I mean fair, my ethnicity is completely chinese, I also understand even chinese people are not the biggest fans of chinese made products. This knife's design doesn't match any chinese design, so it would be inappropriate to call it with a chinese name. As china's history spans millennium, so does Chinese making knives, out of the things I hate about china, knvies is not one and neither is tea. Knives and tea, I trust and heck they have definitely improved heaps on quality over the last couple years.
Also as a Chinese person speaking fluent Chinese I rather not have either of those names on a knife. I think Takumi is fine as it is. speaking of which the word 工/匠 means the same thing as it is in Chinese, but just sounds cooler imo :>
Kavik
5531
Apr 17, 2018
harrisonhTake a breath man, relax. It was a legit question. I thought you were referring to the word kiritsuke in the title. You could've easily corrected my misunderstanding without getting defensive and argumentative. (or could've elaborated in your original comment. It's clear I wasn't the only one who read what you wrote that way) Take a look around this site, it's not that far fetched to read comments about Chinese knife makers here in a negative light. And I don't know what makes you say I think all Asians are alike? But I can assure you I don't.
That said, I would still think they chose to use the work Takumi to keep with the Japanese style of the knife. I don't speak Japanese, but Google tells me that word means "artisan". Personally I'm not so bothered by the use of a japanese phrase (nor do I feel duped, no one has hidden the fact that this is produced in China), I find it more peculiar that a mass produced blade being put out by a big manufacturing plant is calling anything it churns out "artisan" (def: a worker in a skilled trade, especially one that involves making things by hand) lol
I've seen many positive reviews of the Apogee stuff, but quite frankly I've been a bit turned off by every bit of marketing I've seen from them since researching for the first chef knife collaboration here (not to mention many of the claims and comments in posts by the company here). I'm curious though, why you believe there are fake accounts here swaying the conversations? "At least two of the profiles are Apogee employees", based on? Are you referring to any two in particular, or just saying there must be more than one?
Again, legit question. It's a bold claim, would like to hear more that might convince others that it's an accurate one.
harrisonh
51
Apr 20, 2018
Kavikwell at least we can all be happy it's not Kamikoto!
SantiagoDraco
611
Apr 22, 2018
harrisonhI completely agree Harrisonh. They use a Japanese name for the knife because it makes it sound cooler. This isn't really a Kiritsuke knife style anyway. Calling it "hybrid" is kind of absurd as a Kiritsuke is typically a chopper/slicer with a much straighter edge. This edge is very curved and is not suitable for chopping. This is much more of a rocking/slicing knife. Kind of ironic to make a "Kiritsuke" that isn't one and then talk about Japanese tradition....
I still ordered one but it is a bit disturbing the way some of the marketing is handled here with products recently. For example not placing "made in China" in the product description anywhere but mentioning "Japanese tradition/cutlery" 4 times. Says a lot about where Massdrop's mind is.
Slikwilly13
8
Apr 25, 2018
harrisonhI agree. It's like Sea-Gull watches. They proudly stamp "China Made" on the face of their watches. They make amazing watches (some costing up to $20,000) and they don't try to hide that they're Chinese made, but instead claim it with honor. Unfortunately a lot of Americans hold a negative connotation to Chinese made products due to the cheap crap out there that gives it a bad name. They're forgetting that a lot of stuff that they love and cherish is made in China and they don't even think about it. Including their fancy smart phones.