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ViolentGreen
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Jul 7, 2018
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Dan - what height hiker would be the comfortable limit for this tent? Thanks
dandurston
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Dan Durston
Jul 7, 2018
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ViolentGreenThe inner is an honest 86.5" long. The actual design specs are 88.5" but in reality tents tend to come out a bit smaller than spec due to various manufacturing reasons. So the actual prototypes are 86.5 - 87" long, which is why the spec is listed at 86.5". Then the end walls are quite steep, so this length is very useable.
Even if you do brush the mesh on the ends, I've designed this with a generous 8" gap between the inner and the fly (most tents are 4-7"). So you could be pushing out quite a bit on the inner mesh before you'd actually touch the fly. So it's really about 105" from fly wall to fly wall along the diagonal where you'd be laying. So I really can't see a tall person having length issues laying down. (EDIT: Accounting for the height of 2.5" thick pad, people over about 6'2" are going to start touching the mesh at the ends. This isn't a big problem since you've got a large gap between the mesh and the potentially condensation wet fly, but still, there is some downside if you're over 6'2").
In terms of tall hikers and sitting up, the interior is high and has a relatively long ridgeline (44") compared to other double pole tents (typically 30 - 35"), so it maintains that height over a large portion of the inner. So I think it's well suited to tall hikers. Some single wall tents are higher, but then you need a taller tent to avoid touching the potentially wet walls. The X-Mid inner is 41-43" high depending on how you've got it pitched (how close the inner ridgeline is cranked to the fly ridgeline). The best way to evaluate if this works for you would be compare it to a tent you have on hand. Certainly some tents are higher, but typically at a single point (like a one pole mid or the Zpacks SolPlex) so there really isn't that much headroom throughout. As a shorter answer, some one who is 6'5" should still be able to sit up in a large portion of the inner without hitting the mesh.
Even if you do brush the mesh on the ends, I've designed this with a generous 8" gap between the inner and the fly (most tents are 4-7"). So you could be pushing out quite a bit on the inner mesh before you'd actually touch the fly. So it's really about 105" from fly wall to fly wall along the diagonal where you'd be laying. So I really can't see a tall person having length issues laying down. (EDIT: Accounting for the height of 2.5" thick pad, people over about 6'2" are going to start touching the mesh at the ends. This isn't a big problem since you've got a large gap between the mesh and the potentially condensation wet fly, but still, there is some downside if you're over 6'2").
In terms of tall hikers and sitting up, the interior is high and has a relatively long ridgeline (44") compared to other double pole tents (typically 30 - 35"), so it maintains that height over a large portion of the inner. So I think it's well suited to tall hikers. Some single wall tents are higher, but then you need a taller tent to avoid touching the potentially wet walls. The X-Mid inner is 41-43" high depending on how you've got it pitched (how close the inner ridgeline is cranked to the fly ridgeline). The best way to evaluate if this works for you would be compare it to a tent you have on hand. Certainly some tents are higher, but typically at a single point (like a one pole mid or the Zpacks SolPlex) so there really isn't that much headroom throughout. As a shorter answer, some one who is 6'5" should still be able to sit up in a large portion of the inner without hitting the mesh.
wtatman
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Jul 7, 2018
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dandurstonHey Dan, usually when tall users are asking about the usable space they are asking about laying down, thick inflatable pad, and not touching the sloped walls at head or foot. A pretty common problem with Mids - usually if I see an inner footprint of less than 90" I know it's not for me at 6'4" tall.
A useful number for figuring it out is the length about 10" off the floor - simulating pad, body, bag
A useful number for figuring it out is the length about 10" off the floor - simulating pad, body, bag
GanglesKahn
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Jul 7, 2018
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dandurstonAs @wtatman said, I'd like to know about the laying down space. At 6'6" I can barely squeeze into a MEC Spark 2 which is ~87" long, and that only works because it has pretty steep top and bottom sides. I usually end up with a wet bag or wet hair in the mornings. This looks like it has a pretty steep top wall but a fairly shallow bottom wall, so I imagine I'd be pressing my bag against the bottom wall quite a bit.
dandurston
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Dan Durston
Jul 7, 2018
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wtatmanFair enough. Sounds like a useful spec. I'll go measure this later today.
dandurston
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Dan Durston
Jul 8, 2018
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wtatmanI measured this today, and had my 6'2", 280 lbs brother try out the tent with a NeoAir and sleeping bag.
About 10" off the floor, the tent is about 76" long, and then you've got another 5-6" between the mesh and the fly walls. My brother at 6'2" fit fine, but realistically you wouldn't want to be a lot taller. At 6'3-6'4" you'd be touching the mesh slightly but still far from pushing the mesh into the fly walls. So not perfect but not unreasonable.
About 10" off the floor, the tent is about 76" long, and then you've got another 5-6" between the mesh and the fly walls. My brother at 6'2" fit fine, but realistically you wouldn't want to be a lot taller. At 6'3-6'4" you'd be touching the mesh slightly but still far from pushing the mesh into the fly walls. So not perfect but not unreasonable.
HikingWombat
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Jul 9, 2018
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dandurstonYou had me until this note! At 6'4" I was hoping to fit without touching the mesh. If you do a two person could you make it a mite longer? Love everything else about the tent, but can't stand mesh in the face.
awurstl
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Jul 9, 2018
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dandurstonWill keep an eye out if a longer floor plan is ever introduced. Design had me ready to ditch tarp and bivy. Wa at preorder till this, but thanks for the clarification. At 6'4" if mesh is in the face it's a no go. Thanks
cadure
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Jul 10, 2018
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HikingWombatWhat shelter exists where you don't gently touch the head or foot of an inner tent? I use a long bag and expect to touch but given the double walled nature of my current shelters I am never wet (I am 6'1").
ViolentGreen
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Jul 10, 2018
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cadureThey're out there, but like everything there's a compromise. I'm almost never fully stretched out when I sleep anyway so I still plan on ordering one. If I can't live with it I will just resell or pass it along to one of my kids. Good to see your still alive Family Guy.
cadure
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Jul 10, 2018
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ViolentGreenStill alive. Still looking for more gear to buy. It never ends.....
BTW, I forgot how tall you are and the challanges with gear choice. You still on BPL?
BTW, I forgot how tall you are and the challanges with gear choice. You still on BPL?
ViolentGreen
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Jul 10, 2018
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cadureBPL - Yeah, a little bit. My $7.00 forum membership expires at some point and that will be the end of it for me.
cadure
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Jul 10, 2018
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ViolentGreenI think there are some amazing people on the forums but I got very tired of the moderation by a certain someone. Anyway, hope all is well.
HikingWombat
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Jul 10, 2018
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cadureUnfortunately that three inch height difference is huge in the ultralight gear community. There are 3-4 tents at least in the 90" plus category, mostly cottage industry, but i really liked the theory behind this ten, and of course the price point.
dandurston
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Dan Durston
Jul 10, 2018
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HikingWombatAt 6'4" you certainly won't have mesh in the face, but the ends of your sleeping bag would brush slightly. Someone 6'2" and in a sleeping quilt fits without any brushing. But if mild brushing is a big factor for you then certainly look elsewhere.
For scale, here is a large/wide pad (25 x 78") shown to correct scale, but of course there is mild sloping of the end walls.
For scale, here is a large/wide pad (25 x 78") shown to correct scale, but of course there is mild sloping of the end walls.
cadure
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Jul 10, 2018
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HikingWombatCan you list them? I am serious as I too like a long shelter. Most of what I see is long listed but signifcantly sloped walls which makes much of the length unusable. Consider the Zpacks Soloplex. If you use a long bag on a 2" pad you will touch the walls of the fly even though it is measured at 100". If the ends are almost vertical then 86" will be plenty.
dandurston
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Dan Durston
Jul 10, 2018
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cadureThe solo inners from MLD (90") and Locus Gear (90.5") have that spec, but they have a lot more wall slope. As the former owner of both, the effective length is substantially less than the X-Mid. I easily hit in my Khufu and I'm 6'0".
Also worth noting that a lot of those specs don't pan out in real life. You buy a tent that claims 50" wide and it's actually 46 -47". The official design drawings for the X-Mid specify a length of 88.5" which technically it is if you have the inner perfectly taut, but in reality you rarely get that due to uneven ground, or some wrinkles, imperfect tension or whatever. So the listed spec for the X-Mid of 86.5" is a real world spec based on actual measurements of several factory made prototypes. These measure 86.5 - 87" long in the field.
Also worth noting that a lot of those specs don't pan out in real life. You buy a tent that claims 50" wide and it's actually 46 -47". The official design drawings for the X-Mid specify a length of 88.5" which technically it is if you have the inner perfectly taut, but in reality you rarely get that due to uneven ground, or some wrinkles, imperfect tension or whatever. So the listed spec for the X-Mid of 86.5" is a real world spec based on actual measurements of several factory made prototypes. These measure 86.5 - 87" long in the field.
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